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Where has this obsession with a first 11, and players playing every game come from?
Completely agree. After the first-choice front three, we have no players I'd be confident starting every week in the event of a long-term injury. Even Greenwood is still early days and can't be expected to play every match.

We need at least one more attacker who could reasonably be first-choice for a team looking to win the PL.
 

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Completely agree. After the first-choice front three, we have no players I'd be confident starting every week in the event of a long-term injury. Even Greenwood is still early days and can't be expected to play every match.

We need at least one more attacker who could reasonably be first-choice for a team looking to win the PL.
I'd definitely trust Ighalo, he would continue to score goals consistently, especially if played alongside Rashford/Martial and Greenwood.

I agree we need a new forward for the right side, I'd get rid of Lingard and look for a left-footed specialist, who can be the natural successor to Mata.
 

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Look at it this way, we will be in Europe next season meaning that we will have to rotate players moreso with the heavily cut preseason due to COVID-19. Greenwood, Sancho, Martial and Rashford are versatile players with the former two being able to play across the frontline. One week it could be Sancho that needs a rest, the next its Martial/Rashford and vise versa which guarantees that Mason will get 30 plus starts notwithstanding fitness and form. He will be ok with that for three seasons.
Yes true, we do have a lot of games and I’m sure Ole will handle Mason perfectly, he has so far.
 

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Best part of this is, we have genuine quality academy players in the first 11.

Rashford, Greenwood, Pogba in the starting 11. Then players like Mctominay as squad player, players like AWB, Shaw, Martial, De Gea were signed when there were very young players.
 

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While there's some truth to that, you can apply the same logic to any player. Should we also be signing Thiago for that reason? Griezmann?
Dont think that's a feasible approach generally speaking.
Of course you need discernment. That is not the primary reason for looking to buy the player. But it's like anything. You look at what you have. You look at age. You look in regards how often they're injured etc. You look at potential. So we show that because Griezmann may be available...but we believe that overall Sancho would be the one to go for. So we can't buy everyone but for Us Sancho is a non brainer. We can't stop other teams buying players. We just have to try to be smarter. It would be nice to get Sancho for a good price but of course we got to play the game.
 

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Its probably a dream for most clubs if they can bring through numerous players from the youth academy into the first team, as it means capital can be spent on other areas on the team.

God knows how much in transfer funds we saved when having Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Butt and the Neville brothers back when.

And because attackers are traditionally the most expensive, this will put Utd in a very strong financial standing in the transfer market.
 

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And just as good, as locally developed players in the case of two of them, they are really bedded in making it less likely they'll have their heads turned by other clubs.
 

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I'll raise you 8M€ and 83 goals (across league, cup, and CL) ;)
It'd be a nice change if we could just get about one thread in United forum which is positive about United without one post from a smug German league fan.
 

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We signed Martial at 19, Rashfords been here since he was about 8, while Greenwoods been here since he was 6 or 7. Incredible really. You pretty much never see such a dynamic attack with youth players, not too far apart in age.
 

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It'd be a nice change if we could just get about one thread in United forum which is positive about United without one post from a smug German league fan.
Alright, sorry. The topic inspired me to look up on transfermarket how our attack compares, that's all.
 

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Best part of this is, we have genuine quality academy players in the first 11.

Rashford, Greenwood, Pogba in the starting 11. Then players like Mctominay as squad player, players like AWB, Shaw, Martial, De Gea were signed when there were very young players.
Agreed, and that is how it was always meant to be. Bringing through young players is fine but the way we've done it pre-Ole was very haphazard, we've relied too heavily on them becoming integral to save the current manager. Rashford looks good - LVG plays him in more or less every game; McTominay looks decent - he's Jose's golden boy and a stick-on first XI player; Williams looks the part - fans talking about him rotating with and eventually replacing Shaw in the near future. Don't get me wrong it's been great to see our young players getting important minutes but for me it was all too quick and too forced because we were lacking quality. Now Mason is coming through in a much healthier environment and has forged a starting place for himself, yes in a position where we are struggling for options, but also because he's genuinely a class act even at his young age.

As for the front three, I'm made up for them. I think Rashford could be playing a touch better and could certainly improve his finishing post-restart but the pleasing thing again is that the environment is right; if Rashy misses a chance or two he's no longer costing us points and he can work out the kinks in his game while his two mates run the show up front. Brilliant.
 

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Not one of them has completely proven themselves a true top player.

They're having a good season but there's still question marks on each of them.

This thread is a bit giddy.
 

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Not one of them has completely proven themselves a true top player.

They're having a good season but there's still question marks on each of them.

This thread is a bit giddy.
You can say the same during 07 season. None of Ronaldo and Rooney was a true top player. Look what they have achieved together.
 

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I'd definitely trust Ighalo, he would continue to score goals consistently, especially if played alongside Rashford/Martial and Greenwood.

I agree we need a new forward for the right side, I'd get rid of Lingard and look for a left-footed specialist, who can be the natural successor to Mata.
How do you get a sucessor to someone that never wore the crown? We dont need a successor to Mata, we just need a Right winger for the first time in many years.
 
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How do you get a suucessor to someone that never wore the crown? We dont need a successor to Mata, we just need a Right winver for the first time a many years.
Huh? Mata has been a good servant and I meant it as replacing our only left-footed specialist, which is... Mata. I thought my comment was clear enough, but maybe not.
 

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You can say the same during 07 season. None of Ronaldo and Rooney was a true top player. Look what they have achieved together.
They don't need that type of pressure. Especially the 18 year old.

Let them do their thing and become their own players. This thread is gloating about things that could happen not things that have happened.

The real positive bounce is in the overall improvement in play and quality of the entire team. We have leaders, a range of ages, and are heading in a good direction.
 

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One question I would have is how happy would Greenwood be to continue on the right in the longer turn?

You can just see the board thinking we don't need to spend on Sancho just keep the kid there the way he is performing.

Right now I think it's good for his development - a bit less pressure than playing through the middle but long term?
 

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One question I would have is how happy would Greenwood be to continue on the right in the longer turn?

You can just see the board thinking we don't need to spend on Sancho just keep the kid there the way he is performing.

Right now I think it's good for his development - a bit less pressure than playing through the middle but long term?
Why would he be worried about playing as an inside forward? The best attacking players in the last decade have mostly been playing the same positions. The lad is no Lewandowski or Zlatan, he's perfect to be a modern-day forward and doesn't need to be focused on one position, his talents are just too great for that.
 

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Adding Sancho will raise this trident into 138 million pounds, or just 100 million pounds, depending on who we left out on the bench. :nervous:
 

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Adding Sancho will raise this trident into 138 million pounds, or just 100 million pounds, depending on who we left out on the bench. :nervous:
The only one that will be benched is Greenwood. Then, in 2 seasons time (maybe even less), we'd have to decide to sell one of Martial, Rashford or Greenwood, because each of them will want guaranteed playing time. As it happened with City and Sane.
 

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Martial was 57m wasn't he?
I believe it was 50m euros, with an extra 30m in bonuses which I have no idea if it was paid or not.

50m euros was paid back then, with whatever the conversion value was (probably 36m pounds if I am not mistaken).
 

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I'll raise you 8M€ and 83 goals (across league, cup, and CL) ;)
Yeah sure that’s impressive but 2 of our front 3 are from the academy and the other was signed when he was 19. Their current ages are 22, 24 and 18, be interesting to see how they stack up when they match the age of the Bayern front three.
 

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The only one that will be benched is Greenwood. Then, in 2 seasons time (maybe even less), we'd have to decide to sell one of Martial, Rashford or Greenwood, because each of them will want guaranteed playing time. As it happened with City and Sane.
Yeah, most likely to leave is Martial, maybe to Barcelona, Juve or Real Madrid in the latter of his career.

But think about it, Sancho-Rashford-Greenwood will most likely be the attacking trident both for Man United and England.
 

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Yeah, most likely to leave is Martial, maybe to Barcelona, Juve or Real Madrid in the latter of his career.

But think about it, Sancho-Rashford-Greenwood will most likely be the attacking trident both for Man United and England.
So why would we buy Sancho for such a ridiculous price? I honestly don't think he is more talented than our current main forwards, plus they all compliment each other perfectly.

Some say we need Sancho for his dribbling. Martial is just as good in that area. I'd rather we go in a different direction, we still need a right forward, but I'd honestly go for someone else, preferably a left-footed player, since Mata is not very useful these days and there are reports of interest from Fenerbahce.
 

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Yeah sure that’s impressive but 2 of our front 3 are from the academy and the other was signed when he was 19. Their current ages are 22, 24 and 18, be interesting to see how they stack up when they match the age of the Bayern front three.
They sure have the potential to give you a decade of high performance each, whereas we will have to replace some big names in Lewandowski and Müller soonish. Doubtful we'll get those replacements from our youth.
 

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They sure have the potential to give you a decade of high performance each, whereas we will have to replace some big names in Lewandowski and Müller soonish. Doubtful we'll get those replacements from our youth.
I’m sure you can just nick Haland when Lewandoski hangs up his boots ;)
 

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Mason Greenwood should have every United and England fan excited for years to come. I couldn’t tell you the last player of his age to break through and have such an instant impact. I’d even say they impact he has had has been bigger than both Rooney and Owen when they made their break through. I don’t think I’ve seen a striker as good with both feet and the break seems to have done him the world of good as he’s filled his frame and looks like a man!
I just hope the signing of Sancho if completed doesn’t stunt his development as he’s got to be the first name on the team sheet alongside Bruno at the moment.
And you would be wrong.

He is a very exciting player though and at only 18 the sky is the limit. Already the best finisher at the club which is saying something. We will find out in the next 2 seasons a lot about this player.
 

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Why would he be worried about playing as an inside forward? The best attacking players in the last decade have mostly been playing the same positions. The lad is no Lewandowski or Zlatan, he's perfect to be a modern-day forward and doesn't need to be focused on one position, his talents are just too great for that.
Ok fine let's say he is happy there - will the board not persue Sancho because of it?
 

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Ok fine let's say he is happy there - will the board not persue Sancho because of it?
I've already given my opinion on Sancho several times in this thread alone. Great player, but I don't think we need him anymore, not for the record-breaking prices that are quoted.