He really isn't. He's an average player who hasn't given us a good game in months. His circus acts outside the pitch coupled by his shit performances on the pitch is a symbol to what is wrong with this club. I assure you that if he's indeed sold then Real, Bayern and all other top sides who take football seriously won't be knocking at his door.
Schmeichel: One player is only here to promote his personal brand
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I was very surprised that Lnyx deodorant chose to use Lingard as a brand ambassador in their recent TV ads. Would suggest he is an aspirational profile for teens and young men.
Are those saying it’s harsh aware of the timing? He definitely took the piss.
We were struggling on the pitch, fans having a shit time, team being criticised for not being focussed, then he released his brand a few days before we played Liverpool.
I get that it must be fun being able to do whatever you want, but at least cement yourself as a footballer first or time it less like a massive dumbass. It just shows you’re not thinking about the club and the fans otherwise, and was quite righty criticised in my opinion.
We were struggling on the pitch, fans having a shit time, team being criticised for not being focussed, then he released his brand a few days before we played Liverpool.
I get that it must be fun being able to do whatever you want, but at least cement yourself as a footballer first or time it less like a massive dumbass. It just shows you’re not thinking about the club and the fans otherwise, and was quite righty criticised in my opinion.
I am not surprised. I was young enough to remember when Giggs came to scene and I was in my teens when Beckham mania came out. We're talking here about top quality young players with great talent, attitude and looks to match. JLingz reminds of a guy who parks his Lada at the forefront of a luxury car exhibition and expects every one to just look at his own car. He'll grab attention, that's for sure but not the right kind.
It must be Lingard. I think he's realised by now he's never going to fully make it here so he's concentrating on milking every last drop out of being a United player. We would all do the same and it's up to Ole to sort it out - he's obviously well liked in the squad so we can't simply force him out.
I'm going to take Lingard in defense here because holy hell this needs to stop right now. It's time for everyone to get with the changing times. Social media has completely changes how sport stars and people in general live their lives, for better or worse is irrelevant of the fact. Thanks to social media sport stars have a enormous platform to promote brands, and brands will happily pay. The only thing smarter than promoting other brands? Make your own. Footballers are, contrary to middle aged men 40+ belief allowed to have other pursuits in their 20s and 30s that does not evolve around their football clubs.
Do I LIKE the self promotion on the pitch? I don't care one way or the other. Is it my right to tell 20 something year olds that they cant take advantage of opportunities presented to them in a new media age? No. Are these opportunities contradictory to performance on a fotball ptich? Hard no.
Thing is, no one would speak shit about Lingard if he actually performed on the pitch and that is the ONLY thing to take away from this. Its purely and only a big grievance and easy target to nitpick at. As long as the player is struggling, all the criticism of his antics is going to overshadow his performance. What promotion does he do? A goal scoring handsignal that he made into a personal brand? Yeah ok, so what? Exactly SO what? The difference is that we live in a modern day in 2020 where MANY players have out-of-football interests that certainly play into their brand. Jesse Lingards only fault is to occasionally do some brand promotion on his social media account in his spare time. That's it. That is the ONLY thing he does that everyone are so pissed off about. I don't quite understand where this idea comes from that if the player is struggling on the pitch he should not do brand promotions. Really? Get over yourselves RIGHT NOW. How many hours of the day do you imagine this takes? The player attends every practice and takes part in all team scheduled acitivities like every single player on this team. There has never been any reports about Lingard being unprofessional in the workplace, none. So what is the problem here? That he thinks about SOMETHING ELSE when he's home? Good Lord how DARE he not focus every minute of his being on better himself on the pitch? Oh yeah, we have no idea that he doesn't do we because we don't live with him.
A few facts that everyone just needs to know right now:
Jesse Lingard made a face mask that costs £12. His target market is obviously young fans. The proceeds go to the NHS in their entirety. So here a player is using his brand for a good cause. And let's not compare him to Marcus Rashford who really should be knighted after his efforts during the pandemic, no one comes close to what he did. The point is that Lingard did something good with his brand, and I'll happily point it out. And when i say Jesse Lingard made it: I mean his designer and whoever is in charge of purchase and manufacturing planning did. Lingard's role his company is as owner and instagram post maker.
Jesse Lingard does not actually take part in the day to day operation of his brand. Period. His focus is on his family first, Manchester United equal first, His brand a close third as a sidethough. Now why do i know that? Because that's how life is.
Zlatan has his clothing line. No one gives him shit because he's an amazing footballer. His clothing line also was a massive failure, I actually adviced the Norwegian distributor to cut their losses.
Ronaldo has his CR7 brand. Same story, amazing baller, no complaints.
Paul Pogba has his Adidas X endorsement - Again, performing player
Christian Fuchs has his No Fuchs Given brand. Does he receive the vitrol Lingard gets?
Leo Messi does more Pepsi promotions than the pope, and of course no one complaints about the GOAT because he delivers on the pitch.
If Lingard was doing CR7 stuff, Smeichel would not have one single complaint about Lingard. Nor would anyone here. In fact some of you here would even BUY his merchandise. There's a nice word for hating on Lingards brand and not others doing brand promotion: Rampant hypocrisy. Go on Peter, call out Leo Messi for mostly caring about his Pepsi endorsement.
There's a very good Players Tribune by Lingard people should read, https://www.theplayerstribune.com/e...promise-you-never-read-a-story-like-this-mate - It offers a bit of perspective on the person Jesse Lingard, not just the struggling player that is currently out of favor with the club.
I'm so sick and tired of this constant nitpicking on players after hours ventures without any sense of reflection or understanding of how anything works that I just don't get it, why bother forming an opinion without knowing why you have this opinion?
I do think its time for Jesse to move on, his peformances aren't good enough and he's had enough time to turn it around. But enough shittalking for having a clothing brand, just bloody stop it. It has everything to do with the player being out of form and unable to regain it like thousands before him, not becuase he happens to have a instagram account and having a small company.
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The criticism on here seems largely fair towards Lingard in my opinion.
He's not good enough. He's paid too much compared to his performances. His timing to release his brand was absolutely horrible.
The hate he gets on some other platforms are way over the top and they are being personal.
He's not good enough. He's paid too much compared to his performances. His timing to release his brand was absolutely horrible.
The hate he gets on some other platforms are way over the top and they are being personal.
Big words from Schmeichel, seems he wants to unleash his inner Keane. I think in fairness to Keane, he'd at least have the balls to name the player instead of skirting around the issue. It's clear who Schmeichel is referring to, I just don't understand why he hasn't named the lad.
My response to this exists in my other post https://www.redcafe.net/threads/sch...omote-his-personal-brand.456046/post-25714081
And before you think I don't get social media, I'm still in my mid 20s. Anyway it's good that he used his brand for a good cause. But still, my opinion was revolving around the first time he made it into the first team. Which I think what Schmeichel was referring to.
Being a footballer is different in a way that you simply cannot compare the amount of discipline needed to be successful, to other jobs. For example, if you gain more weight or muscles, you could be slower or more sluggish, that directly affects your performance. So I assume that having a wrong mentality in football have a huge impact at how a player's career would turn out. And if you've made it in football, you would be set for life, I think it's a pretty damn good goal to achieve and prioritize.
Brandings are the cherries on top.
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Feck off Peter, you played for City, your opinion is irrelevant.
Sir Matt Busby played for City and Liverpool
If he was heading towards the end of his career then I agree. After all his brand is what would be feeding him going forward. However it's not the case. Lingard still have at least 5 years of football left in him. He should focusing more on his football rather then on a brand name that is making losses. By doing so he might actually end up landing a job with a serious and relevant club.
I never thought he would be good enough to be first team. Best case, I felt he could only be a good squad player. But ....
I also agree with this. I kinda pity the kid with the amount of toxic bile thrown at him on social media and at every opportunity. It's even more pitiful with the amount of personal troubles he is facing at home. And despite all the stick, I do not recall him speaking ill of anyone at United or misbehaved at all even.
He's the only Player that I really pity now.
I am surprised he said this on your own platform.
That's how the world had always worked. No one gave a feck that Leonardo didn't finish most of his masterpieces or that Michelangelo Merisi was a trouble maker and a criminal. They were great in what they did and what they did justified their behaviour. The rest of us mere mortals are judged on a different scale and must be held accountable on what we do. Lingard is a struggling player whose earning millions. He should focus on his football and not on his brand name, especially a brand name that is making losses.
It's more relevant than yours pal.
He has 5+ years of football left but not at a club like this. He will have a career beyond Manchester but his future at the top level will end with us, and so will his brand. I understand him wanting to do as much with it as possible because nobody will have any interest once he is playing for relegation fodder or some random team overseas.
I'm pretty sure this was old news from 2013 when Cleverley was trying to trademark TC23 to release an underwear line.
Someone who actually knows what they are talking about. *clap*
Is it time for Lingard to move on? Most likely.
Has he achieved more than the average British male in his 20's? No doubt. He IS a role model for kids. Not everyone can be Messi, there will be room for Lingard's on teams in the future.
He worked hard from a young age without having an insane talent. So can others.
Probably why @Pexbo didn’t know about it.
Which exactly why he should focus on his football instead of this BS. If he did/does well enough he might have attracted the attentions of a decent club like Everton for example.
Yeah, so unnecessary. The team are doing well. If he wanted to put Lingard down, there is no need because he isn't making the team anymore and likely to move in the next transfer window. If he meant someone else, then it will cause even more issues. Now all the clickbait journos are gonna jump on this and make a big deal of it.
The fact that MUTV are airing this means there must be serious problems with him. This was most likely a warning to him.
I find it disturbing that people are criticizing a legend like Pete for an MUTV sanctioned (and almost definitely planned) interview. MUTV will have almost definitely asked him to say what he said so they could broadcast it.
He’s constantly got something to say about United, it’s often nothing positive either.
Best just to take no notice of him, traitor.
Best just to take no notice of him, traitor.
Yes, agree. Criticise his performances where it's right to do so, but the mindless abuse and cheap jibes are wrong.
The consensus seems to be that Schmeichel was referring to Lingard - to be honest, I was a bit uncomfortable with some of things he was saying. Also had the impression that there was an element of "the good old days when we were here", a bit like Roy Keane. He obviously has a personal interest in Leicester, but all the talk about how much better our defence would be if Jonny Evans was there was a bit OTT.
Thank you
Except the part where that never happened.
Where is Lingard so active on social media?
I dont use much social media, as im a old guy, but I looked through his instagram, and his posts was just normal pictures. And his last posts was almost a week ago.
I know he has done some stupid videos in the past, but hasnt it stopped?
Why the same hate all over again? He hasnt played much, so maybe we should all just tune down the hate for a bit and let us enjoy the current team and see what happens after the transfer window? No need to get upset over something thats not there anymore
I dont use much social media, as im a old guy, but I looked through his instagram, and his posts was just normal pictures. And his last posts was almost a week ago.
I know he has done some stupid videos in the past, but hasnt it stopped?
Why the same hate all over again? He hasnt played much, so maybe we should all just tune down the hate for a bit and let us enjoy the current team and see what happens after the transfer window? No need to get upset over something thats not there anymore
It is Lingard and ge is right. You can do that o
He didn 't mention him though. I took it more as him saying what a good job Ole has been doing. He had good things to say about Pogba so i don't think he has a problem with the social media stuff but rather with the whole superstar persona for players that are not actually good for us. He was spot on imo.
This. Wishing him harm is way out of order, there have been scumbags on Twitter saying heinous shit.
However, Lingard deserves very harsh criticism for the way he has treated the chance to play for Manchester United. He took it for granted and I honestly think he has regressed since the last time he had any semblance of adequate form.
If Jesse still has any dignity and professional ambition left, he has to ask for a transfer and take a huge stepdown. I see only relegation battling teams being interested in buying him, don't see any club paying more than £15 million, even that is a stretch at the current times.
He comes across as very childish to the point of being naive. I dont think he fully understands how to behave in society. He is living in his own bubble.
It’s modern football culture that seems to be amplified by our players specifically.
It stands out when an average/poor player has a brand. It's probably not affecting his play, but it fuels criticism and leaves people asking if he could be better without the distraction it could cause.
Questions were asked when Cleverley did the same thing, it didn't work out for him so it's understandable that fans of this club have reservations about this kind of thing.
But I just feel it's a little bit of a low shot from Schmeichel, Lingard has been dropped, is on his last legs here and seen plenty of criticism this season.
Questions were asked when Cleverley did the same thing, it didn't work out for him so it's understandable that fans of this club have reservations about this kind of thing.
But I just feel it's a little bit of a low shot from Schmeichel, Lingard has been dropped, is on his last legs here and seen plenty of criticism this season.
How do you remember?! It's been ages!
The proper way to handle this as decent supporters and human beings is to thank Lingard for his time at United and wish him all the best at his new club. He scored some stunners for us and that spectacular goal in extra time that won us the FA cup. He’s just not a player good enough to play at a club of our stature.
Yes Peter we know who some of them are, but let’s sell them for as much as we can get first.