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[Annihilate Now!]

WWE is so frustrating.

Here you have Heath cut the promo of his life, and instantly gets me interested in a Drew vs. Heath match... seriously, I'm interested in a Heath Slater match... So what happens? It gets thrown away isntantly and its just a 10 second thing that's actually just a build to a far less interesting match with Dolph feckin' Ziggler.

 

[paulscholes18]

Like the look of MVP’s US championship

 

[Ekeke]

Young Bucks + FTR Vs. Lucha Bros + Butcher and the Blade was a predictably incredible and great tag match. Perhaps the craziest one I've seen.

and Orange Cassidy Vs. Jericho had a surprisingly fantastic match too. Wasnt sure about this one going in with Orange Cassidy in a main event match but I'm sold on Cassidy now.

 

[Ekeke]

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Riddle's video comments on the allegations. Had said before that she was just a stalker, now admits to having an affair with her. Still denies sexual assault

He's deleted his link to his lawyer's statement that she was just a stalker

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Still a case of he said she said - but Riddle has at least changed his story from shes just a stalker, to we had an affair after she posted pictures of them kissing.

 

[sewey89]

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Riddle's video comments on the allegations. Had said before that she was just a stalker, now admits to having an affair with her. Still denies sexual assault

He's deleted his link to his lawyer's statement that she was just a stalker

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Still a case of he said she said - but Riddle has at least changed his story from shes just a stalker, to we had an affair after she posted pictures of them kissing.

He’s still saying she’s a stalker.. He’s just saying she started stalking him after the affair ended. He obviously didn’t want to admit to an affair as it damages his reputation. But then evidence was produced. There are no winners in all of this though and it really shouldn’t be played out in front of the watching world.

 

[Sylar]

WWE is so frustrating.

Here you have Heath cut the promo of his life, and instantly gets me interested in a Drew vs. Heath match... seriously, I'm interested in a Heath Slater match... So what happens? It gets thrown away isntantly and its just a 10 second thing that's actually just a build to a far less interesting match with Dolph feckin' Ziggler.

I get why they did it,cos Heath isnt signed by WWE. But after that promo, they should hire him again.
Ive always liked him on the mic. Hes good at comedy but can do serious too.

His stuff after he didnt get drafted, which lead to him teaming with Rhino winning the titles was great stuff.

 

[Shane88]

Where does Brian Cage fit in the steroid hall of fame?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I get why they did it,cos Heath isnt signed by WWE. But after that promo, they should hire him again.
Ive always liked him on the mic. Hes good at comedy but can do serious too.

His stuff after he didnt get drafted, which lead to him teaming with Rhino winning the titles was great stuff.

Oh yeah I get why they did it - just feel like they could have made something a bit bigger/better out of it... even just building it up to later in the show, or giving Heath a bit more. I don't think Drew gained anything by squashing him straight after like he did.

Fantasy booking world I'd have just had Heath walk off, and then put the heat back on Dolph by have him then assassinate Drew's character. Then you could have Drew have to respond to the criticism next week and Heath could either be a) saved for further down the road or b) never been seen again and no difference is made.

 

[SalfordRed18]

I remember a certain someone saying Keith Lee would not be a main eventer on AEW......

 

[Ekeke]

I remember a certain someone saying Keith Lee would not be a main eventer on AEW......

Actually, Kenny Omega said he wouldnt be headlining shows with him on it. Not just him but a bunch of the NXT guys.

I watched him in Evolve where Zack Sabre Jr was headlining shows with Keith Lee on the undercard so yeah he was right.

 

[Shane88]

Omega's stock has plummeted. Guy doesn't have an ounce of star power these days.

 

[SalfordRed18]

Actually, Kenny Omega said he wouldnt be headlining shows with him on it. Not just him but a bunch of the NXT guys.

I watched him in Evolve where Zack Sabre Jr was headlining shows with Keith Lee on the undercard so yeah he was right.

Pete Dunne could be made a case for, just like Riddle and Gargano. Velveteen Dream is raw as hell and it shows when he isnt working with someone a lot better than he is. Keith Lee and Lio Rush is another ROH talent who wasnt main eventing shows when Omega was on the card.

Kevin fecking Harper is headlining shows omega is in, Orange Cassidy is headlining shows omega is in. Brian fecking cage.

You know what you implied, spin it how you want, but right now Lee is top dog on his brand, main eventing, and omega ain't shit

 

[sewey89]

Actually, Kenny Omega said he wouldnt be headlining shows with him on it. Not just him but a bunch of the NXT guys.

I watched him in Evolve where Zack Sabre Jr was headlining shows with Keith Lee on the undercard so yeah he was right.

Sounds like a really cnuty thing to say

 

[Sylar]

Omega's stock has plummeted. Guy doesn't have an ounce of star power these days.

Yeah, even in his tag team his partner comes off as a bigger star. I've been disappointed with the presentation and use of omega in aew. I'm more interested to see what happens with hangman when they go their own ways

 

[Ekeke]

Kevin fecking Harper is headlining shows omega is in, Orange Cassidy is headlining shows omega is in. Brian fecking cage.

You know what you implied, spin it how you want, but right now Lee is top dog on his brand, main eventing, and omega ain't shit

Omega is booking them. Keith Lee didnt book Zack Sabre Jr to be headling shows hes on

 

[Ekeke]

By the way I know people want me to be mad but I'm actually happy that a majority 50+ audience tune in to see a black man win both the main mens titles on the show

NXT also won with no main roster stars showing up on the show which is great for them. And when I look at the card I do have to think that the main event was the big draw to the show. I havent been watching NXT so I cant possibly comment on the quality of the matches, or the show overall. And im not sure I will watch it, maybe or maybe not in the coming days. If I do then I will comment.

For AEW the big title match is next week so that'll be their chance at breaking NXT's run. No idea if they will or wont, but the result should tell us if the wednesday night audience see Bryan Cage as a star. Personally I didnt like him when I watched Impact a bit during his time there as he seemed to botch and mess up quite often.

 

[sewey89]

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Any of NXT’s top stars disputed the ratings before?

This is absolutely pathetic

 

[Shane88]

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Any of NXT’s top stars disputed the ratings before?

This is absolutely pathetic

Have you seen Tony Khan's tweets? It's embarrassing. I'm trying to imagine Vince on Twitter and being like "Well ackshually we did okay in this demographic and that's important so there."

I'm sure they think they're being oh so meta and "trolling the marks" but it is extremely cringey to even engage in it.

 

[sewey89]

Have you seen Tony Khan's tweets? It's embarrassing. I'm trying to imagine Vince on Twitter and being like "Well ackshually we did okay in this demographic and that's important so there."

I'm sure they think they're being oh so meta and "trolling the marks" but it is extremely cringey to even engage in it.

I haven’t, but I can imagine what they’re like. It just smacks of desperation. Just stick to your own show and if it’s any good, you’ll get fans naturally. It’s weird.

 

[Shane88]

I haven’t, but I can imagine what they’re like. It just smacks of desperation. Just stick to your own show and if it’s any good, you’ll get fans naturally. It’s weird.

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State of that.

 

[sewey89]

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State of that.

Reminds me of one of those alternative premier league tables

 

[Ekeke]

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Any of NXT’s top stars disputed the ratings before?

This is absolutely pathetic

Its because the network sells advertising based on the younger demos, where AEW always wins. TNT tweeted about it themselves, Meltzer etc were talking about it every week while they won the total viewers etc. so this isnt something new.

However, I have always posted about the overall ratings because its more simple to have a conversation about. So when NXT wins if I'm saying "yeah but AEW won the demo" then I'd be moving the goalposts, so I'll just say congrats to NXT instead.

 

[Mystry]

Back to actual wrestling.

Spoiler: New Japan Cup spoiler

Evil wins, then turns on Naito and joins bullet club. Bullet Club continue to be absolute shits, I love it.

 

[sewey89]

Its because the network sells advertising based on the younger demos, where AEW always wins. TNT tweeted about it themselves, Meltzer etc were talking about it every week while they won the total viewers etc. so this isnt something new.

However, I have always posted about the overall ratings because its more simple to have a conversation about. So when NXT wins if I'm saying "yeah but AEW won the demo" then I'd be moving the goalposts, so I'll just say congrats to NXT instead.

Fans talking about ratings is one thing. That bores me rigid to be honest..

But to see the owner and top star tweeting about it is just desperate

 

[Ekeke]

Fans talking about ratings is one thing. That bores me rigid to be honest..

But to see the owner and top star tweeting about it is just desperate

Its educational. People clearly don't understand how these things are measured by the tv networks

 

[Ekeke]

Back to actual wrestling.

Spoiler: New Japan Cup spoiler

Evil wins, then turns on Naito and joins bullet club. Bullet Club continue to be absolute shits, I love it.

Only watched the last few mins of that match, and the Master Wato match earlier on

Spoiler

Thought the turn was kinda lame considering how big it should be. Then again I was expecting Shingo to be the one that leaves, months ago

 

[sewey89]

Its educational. People clearly don't understand how these things are measured by the tv networks

I think it’s more that most people don’t care.

I welcomed AEW as a genuine competitor because I like wrestling. I wanted them to be good. I wanted them to make WWE good.

What I’ve found is it’s not entertaining at all and I think a big part of that is that is because they’re so focused on ‘outsmarting’ WWE and taking cheap shots.

Granted, the god awful UK TV deal doesn’t help.

 

[Ekeke]

I think it’s more that most people don’t care.

I welcomed AEW as a genuine competitor because I like wrestling. I wanted them to be good. I wanted them to make WWE good.

What I’ve found is it’s not entertaining at all and I think a big part of that is that is because they’re so focused on ‘outsmarting’ WWE and taking cheap shots.

Granted, the god awful UK TV deal doesn’t help.

Its fine not to care. So dont read the tweets and dont get upset about them. Thats what not caring looks like

But... These things absolutely will change the direction of the companies. They may see shows get cancelled etc. And if you dont care about it, when big changes are made or shows are cancelled you'll be caught by surprise.

 

[Rolandofgilead]

I’m surprised that not too many of you recognise that AEW and NXT both have exceptional ratings.

We are a long way past 1998 and the age of 2 wrestling shows getting consistent 8+ ratings. The way I see it is that for the first time in a very long time there is a genuine choice for fans, especially if we treat WWE as a separate entity than NXT.

Speaking of which, I’ve never understood why Vince doesn’t use NXT as a completely different company. I’d like to see them sign people on NXT contracts and there be no ‘promotion’ to a main roster.

Imagine, as well as their weekly show on cable they also have 5 traditional PPVs a year. Off the top of my head they could be: king of the Ring, Starrcade, war games, in your house/takeover and The Great American Bash.

 

[Sylar]

Nxt and aew on the whole have been great. Both shows putting on stellar stuff esp when trying to compete with each other

Much better than raw and sd

 

[Sylar]

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State of that.

Not sure what the issue is with this?

 

[Bwuk]

Not sure what the issue is with this?

Extremely embarrassing to do so.

I can’t imagine Vince, or any other owner of a sports team to tweet something like that.

TNA mk2.

 

[Sylar]

Extremely embarrassing to do so.

I can’t imagine Vince, or any other owner of a sports team to tweet something like that.

TNA mk2.

Ok but none of the other owners are young and theres nothing wrong with explaining the situation on social media.
Vince has conference calls and discusses things like this all the time. And whether Vince does something or not shouldnt affect tony Khan.

Khan looks like hes always been active on twitter and if his business / tv contract with TNT sees the demos as more important than ratings (which seems to be the case) I dont see it as embarassing. Its a good explanation

 

[Ekeke]

Extremely embarrassing to do so.

I can’t imagine Vince, or any other owner of a sports team to tweet something like that.

TNA mk2.

Thats because Vince has someone else doing his twitter. One of the reasons he never sees anything outside of WWE

 

[SalfordRed18]

Thats because Vince has someone else doing his twitter. One of the reasons he never sees anything outside of WWE

How does that work when just last year I believe he was offering big money for the bucks and Omega?

 

[Bwuk]

Ok but none of the other owners are young and theres nothing wrong with explaining the situation on social media.
Vince has conference calls and discusses things like this all the time. And whether Vince does something or not shouldnt affect tony Khan.

Khan looks like hes always been active on twitter and if his business / tv contract with TNT sees the demos as more important than ratings (which seems to be the case) I dont see it as embarassing. Its a good explanation

Khans embarrassed himself enough times on twitter between arguing with NFL players, football fans and now this. It's not whether Vince does or doesn't, it's embarassing.

Thats because Vince has someone else doing his twitter. One of the reasons he never sees anything outside of WWE

So? Maybe Khan should get someone to do his for him. Majority of major celebrities do.

 

[Ekeke]

How does that work when just last year I believe he was offering big money for the bucks and Omega?

He wasnt doing it on twitter was he. And other people watch other stuff and talk to him

Vince McMahon's twitter

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I highly doubt a 74 year old workaholic who famously gets very little sleep and is also known for mid night workout sessions, who also books and/or rewrites the majority of WWE's wrestling shows is on twitter posting about pokemon go and making jokes about his mother's genetics with smiley faces.

Many people who have worked with Vince have said that he doesn't know people who arent with WWE because he doesn't watch anything else. He's the source of the WWE bubble mentality. Some people who work for him are just yes men, but others do watch other promotions and theres plenty of people who talk to Vince or bring him ideas, an example being the eye for an eye match that AEW had a few months ago. Obviously someone in WWE decided it was a good idea to do it themselves rather than Vince seeing AEW doing the match on twitter and then taking it.

Heres another good example. The Styles Clash. So a few people had taken the Styles Clash wrong and got hurt, one being a British wrestler called Lionheart who killed himself last year, having come back from a broken neck and been champion in ICW in Scotland. In a lot of wrestling moves you are taught to tuck your head towards your neck to take moves safely, the Styles Clash is the opposite and you need to raise your head instead. So people took it wrong and got hurt, Vince McMahon hears people talking about The Styles Clash and it becomes a banned move in WWE.

Years later Jericho is in a program with AJ Styles in WWE. Jericho wants to take a Styles Clash in the match, so he brings it up to Vince and instead of using the name The Styles Clash he just describes the move. He gets permission to do it and AJ Styles is able to do the move in WWE.

Vince had heard of the move, heard that people got hurt from it, but he didnt know what the move looked like. And thats AJ Styles who had been one of the main men at TNA for years and then in Japan, before WWE recruited him. Vince didn't know what The Styles Clash looked like. Other people in WWE obviously did else he would never have heard about it in the first place

 

[Sylar]

Khans embarrassed himself enough times on twitter between arguing with NFL players, football fans and now this. It's not whether Vince does or doesn't, it's embarassing.

But your initial post talked about Vince and others doing it (or not doing it)
Again, you didnt answer what was embarrassing about him highlighting the ratings / demos are good for him / AEW / TNT.
If they are, they are, right?
Or am I missing something?

Whats a little worrying is that they went from 1.5m to 700k. But being 7th for the night on a list which dicates ad revenue, is something to be proud of? Especially if they are always in the top 10.

 

[Ekeke]

But your initial post talked about Vince and others doing it (or not doing it)
Again, you didnt answer what was embarrassing about him highlighting the ratings / demos are good for him / AEW / TNT.
If they are, they are, right?
Or am I missing something?

Whats a little worrying is that they went from 1.5m to 700k. But being 7th for the night on a list which dicates ad revenue, is something to be proud of? Especially if they are always in the top 10.

Especially with whats going on in the world right now. Obviously this wasnt in the plans and the company is in a much worse spot than WWE in terms of pushing through it. WWE are still set for record profits this year. AEW was on track to make money this year, but now with covid they wont.

Its still a worry when its like 650k people watching, but obviously any targets of going beyond the normal 730k or so were put to one side due to world events.

 

[TheGame]

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State of that.

My god. You can tell it’s America when Tucker Carlson is near the top.