SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Thanks, good news, but seems a bit premature. The number of people who were tested seems more or less the same as that done for Stage 2 trials (which means that vaccines who are already on stage 3 have been already more tested).

Hopefully, given to only people who are really risked, instead of to every one.
They are completely insane for doing it, but you have to admire the determination to do it before the West does :D
 

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The vaccines have been ready more or less since February. The only problem was to make sure that they're safe. And it seems that they are totally bypassing stage 3 trials which are where Oxford, Moderna and China are.

Now, I might be reading this wrong, of course.
They are completely insane for doing it, but you have to admire the determination to do it before the West does :D
Yeah, that might be true, probably just propaganda. I mean, China was administering it to some soldiers for months now, so beat that Putin.
 

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There’s zero evidence re statins. You’ve missed nothing. It’s just a theory. Glad to hear you got in a two week holiday. Much deserved, I’m sure!
I'll be happy if statins help, my sis and I have both been on an enormous prophylactic dose ever since they were invented due to familial hyperlipidaemia.
 

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You’re still not wearing masks while shopping?
Crikey, even in this republican outpost they’ve been doing that for a long time now.
 

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Time to get a new doctor
Most of the public school teachers I know are going to head back to work. They work in neighborhoods that need schools to stay open. The daily meals and after school programs are designed to help parents who work multiple jobs and can’t afford sitters.
 

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This is similar-ish to my doctor's approach* - it's almost as if these people are following government's 'orders' or they believe the BS that ministers come out with.

*My doctor responded to my long-term, ongoing depression with the insistence that this was merely 'low mood' (a term the government/DWP prefers). In the meantime, I am suffering, getting worse and, in relation to the previous sentence, totally exasperated.
 
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Where's my arc, Paulie?
This is similar-ish to my doctor's approach* - it's almost as if these people are following government's 'orders' or they believe the BS that ministers come out with.

*My doctor responded to my long-term, ongoing depression with the insistence that this was merely 'low mood' (a term the government prefers). In the meantime, I am suffering, getting worse and, in relation to the previous, totally exasperated.
Sorry to hear that. That’s the last thing anybody wants to hear during times like these.
 

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If first vaccines buy us at least 1 year, I would be very hopeful. Funfeckingtastic news from Russia already, hopefully, Oxford will give us something to cheer about as well.
Even if the roll out is slow, being able to vaccinate even 10% of the nation would make a huge difference if given to the right people in the right places.
 

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This is similar-ish to my doctor's approach* - it's almost as if these people are following government's 'orders' or they believe the BS that ministers come out with.

*My doctor responded to my long-term, ongoing depression with the insistence that this was merely 'low mood' (a term the government/DWP prefers). In the meantime, I am suffering, getting worse and, in relation to the previous sentence, totally exasperated.
Low mood can become a clinical depression if the conditions that cause the low mood continue (which they often do). My impression is that it really means that the doctors don't think you are depressed enough to be given the big "happy" pills.

Maybe time to talk to another GP if you don't think the one you have is helping.
 

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Low mood can become a clinical depression if the conditions that cause the low mood continue (which they often do). My impression is that it really means that the doctors don't think you are depressed enough to be given the big "happy" pills.
Yep. It's not the doctor who has to go through this though.
 

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So I've had a lot of time off. My Dad contracted this disease and died, I was fortunate enough to be at his bedside in April for his last few days, and there has been a lot of stuff to deal with since.

My thoughts are without reading this thread, the government have handled this appallingly, oscillating between Sweden and New Zealand, failure to pick a strategy has been catastrophic. I was never a Boris Johnson fan but this situation has brought out all his worst qualities. I was very anti-lockdown to begin with, and still think full lock down was the wrong decision but I am definitely more humbled and understand the reasons. I am probably where Anders Tegnell is now.

Let's hope there is a long term solution. Being by someone you care about's bedside as they slowly lose the ability to breath and become increasingly frantic at the prospect (until medical professionals knock them out with morphine) is a horrible thing.
 

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So I've had a lot of time off. My Dad contracted this disease and died, I was fortunate enough to be at his bedside in April for his last few days, and there has been a lot of stuff to deal with since.

My thoughts are without reading this thread, the government have handled this appallingly, oscillating between Sweden and New Zealand, failure to pick a strategy has been catastrophic. I was never a Boris Johnson fan but this situation has brought out all his worst qualities. I was very anti-lockdown to begin with, and still think full lock down was the wrong decision but I am definitely more humbled and understand the reasons. I am probably where Anders Tegnell is now.

Let's hope there is a long term solution. Being by someone you care about's bedside as they slowly lose the ability to breath and become increasingly frantic at the prospect (until medical professionals knock them out with morphine) is a horrible thing.
feck. That is terrible mate. Hope you and yours are coping as best as you can under the circumstances. :(
 

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The good news is that we now have 3 vaccines in Stage 3 trials (1 not directly targeting SAR-CoV-2 but it boosts the whole immune system so may further reduce the severity of mild cases) and lots more in stage 1 and 2 trials. Those entering stage 1 will need about a year to be approved if all goes well.
 

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Lost one of my brothers about 4-5 weeks ago and wasn’t able to get up to attend the funeral. It’s such a shitty time that we live in now. I’m sick off it

EDIT: heart attack not Covid
Really sorry to hear about you brother. My condolences.
 

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Better title might be “more young people smoke than we thought” because this tells us nothing new about the virus. It’s just a review of the prevalence of risk factors we already knew about.

EDIT: Apologies if that comes across a bit snippy. Football has me in a bad mood!
Not at all and you are right. But I think young people forget that these things apply to them.
 
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Not at all and you are right. But I think young people forget that these things apply to them.
Just 9 people between 0-29 have died in Sweden, all with risk factors. (0.16% all of deaths).

114 have needed ICU, 90+% with risk factors.

It’s a misleading headline and a nothing story at this point, but fear gets clicks so...
 

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Just 9 people between 0-29 have died in Sweden, all with risk factors. (0.16% all of deaths).

114 have needed ICU, 90+% with risk factors.

It’s a misleading headline and a nothing story at this point, but fear gets clicks so...
You don't need to die to have very serious and long term if not permanent damage.
 

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So I've had a lot of time off. My Dad contracted this disease and died, I was fortunate enough to be at his bedside in April for his last few days, and there has been a lot of stuff to deal with since.

My thoughts are without reading this thread, the government have handled this appallingly, oscillating between Sweden and New Zealand, failure to pick a strategy has been catastrophic. I was never a Boris Johnson fan but this situation has brought out all his worst qualities. I was very anti-lockdown to begin with, and still think full lock down was the wrong decision but I am definitely more humbled and understand the reasons. I am probably where Anders Tegnell is now.

Let's hope there is a long term solution. Being by someone you care about's bedside as they slowly lose the ability to breath and become increasingly frantic at the prospect (until medical professionals knock them out with morphine) is a horrible thing.
I’m so sorry for your loss fella and that your dad had to go through that. Condolences to your family.

my own thoughts are if they had acted earlier with complete clarity more people may be alive. It was utter confusion
 

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So sorry to read of your troubles, folks. :(

And I've long been disgusted that, apparently, it's fine for some to break lockdown yet others aren't even allowed to attend the funerals of loved ones; and it seems so bloody arbitrary too.
 

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What's the deal with masks in the UK on trains? I'm on a train right now (first time using public transport since Covid) and half the passengers are not wearing masks. I thought it was mandatory.

The ticket inspector didn't mention it to any of them and there were no announcements about them at all.

Can I perform a citizen's arrest on these pricks?
 
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What's the deal with masks in the UK on trains? I'm on a train right now (first time using public transport since Covid) and half the passengers are not wearing masks. I thought it was mandatory.

The ticket inspector didn't mention it to any of them and there were no announcements about them at all.

Can I perform a citizen's arrest on these pricks?
Do you guys in the UK need a mask when you go to the pub?
 

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What's the deal with masks in the UK on trains? I'm on a train right now (first time using public transport since Covid) and half the passengers are not wearing masks. I thought it was mandatory.

The ticket inspector didn't mention it to any of them and there were no announcements about them at all.

Can I perform a citizen's arrest on these pricks?
It's supposed to be mandatory unless people have a medical reason/under 11(?) but I don't think it can be enforced by public transport staff so unless there was a police check then they'll get away with it.
 

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Guardian said:
Shops and police must help enforce English face mask rules, says minister
Officers say law to make coverings compulsory in stores will be unenforceable
Worst government ever.
 

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Has there been much flouting of the rules since it was made mandatory in Scotland?

In England, it's supposed to only be mandatory on public transport, but every bus I've been on in the last few weeks, I have been in the minority of people actually wearing a mask. Drivers don't say a word to those boarding without one. After reading the bus company's Twitter feed, they've stated that drivers can't do anything to enforce it.

I'm not buying that. If they can stop someone boarding because they don't have cash, or because their pass is invalid, or because the app on their phone doesn't load, they can surely stop someone boarding if they're actively ignoring a legal requirement. I was on a bus a few weeks before lockdown and the driver refused to let two girls on because they each had Subway sandwiches (unopen, wrapped up in a bag). My arse they can't enforce it.

I'd prefer if it was mandatory across the board and not just on buses and trains, especially if the operators aren't going to actually do anything about it.
Sorry didn't see this until now. I'm quite shocked that people seem to be as carefree as that.

In Scotland - Not really from what I've seen. I live in a small town so there is less people on the street anyway and most people work in other areas rather than the town but in the shops everyone has been pretty considerate. Had to say once or twice to people who were a bit close and as soon as the 5 mile rule was lifted a lot of people were rushing to the countryside for walks but in regards to wearing masks and distancing people have been quite good.

I think the problem for some Scottish people is seeing a country as close and connected to us as England doing things differently which creates a bit of a divide where people hate Sturgeon for being more strict yet it's looking like the better decision so far in regards to our results.
 

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How's the situation in France? I set off for Biarritz 29th July, heading through the tunnel, planning to stop west of Paris, then towards the west coast before making my way down through Arcachon and finally Biarritz!

Any places worth avoiding?
There is an outbreak in Mayenne, in the north west but the rest seems fine.