SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[gormless]

Newly infected people in Australia are showing symptoms in under 24 hrs - that is very fast indeed.

Surely they’re just assuming they haven’t contracted it earlier?
But if true, good thing. Would mean less presymptotic spreading

 

[Damien]

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[Organic Potatoes]

Cities all over are mandating masks now, so Georgia bans the whole state from making masks mandatory. And on the same day masks became mandatory in Tulsa where Donnie held his ’rally’.

When Oklahoma is outpacing you on policy, you’ve got problems.

 

[WI_Red]

Cities all over are mandating masks now, so Georgia bans the whole state from making masks mandatory. And on the same day masks became mandatory in Tulsa where Donnie held his ’rally’.

When Oklahoma is outpacing you on policy, you’ve got problems.

Kemp is doubling down on his continuing bad decisions. To allow cities to mandate masks he is "bowing to crazy liberal mayors", admitting his reopening plan was a disaster, and contradicting dear leader. Besides, it took him 2 extra months to learn that the virus can be transmitted from person to person, so he may not have realized that masks work yet.

 

[gormless]

Fair bit of news today.
Patrick Vallance criticising the government,
The good news about the Oxford vaccine,
The Russian hacker story

 

[redshaw]

UK 66 deaths and 642 cases

 

[Carolina Red]

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[WI_Red]

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Funny but not it's a parody account. I mean it IS a city in Alabama, soooo....

 

[Tibs]

Fair bit of news today.
Patrick Vallance criticising the government,
The good news about the Oxford vaccine,
The Russian hacker story

What was the good news regarding Oxford Vaccine?

 

[Carolina Red]

Funny but not it's a parody account. I mean it IS a city in Alabama, soooo....

It’s satire but it made me chuckle so I thought I’d share it

 

[gormless]

What was the good news regarding Oxford Vaccine?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...uld-provide-double-protection-report-12029406

Full report released on Monday apparently

 

[Wibble]

Surely they’re just assuming they haven’t contracted it earlier?
But if true, good thing. Would mean less presymptotic spreading

They are just about 100% sure because a single person brought it up from Victoria and went to a pub during his journey and gave it to 10+ people who attended that pub at the same time who then passed it on to their contacts. It shows how infectious this is and I'm wondering if the cooler winter weather is a big factor.

 

[RedFish]

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-c...-oxford-universitys-vaccine-at-no-profit.html

Results of there phase 1 trial due to be published in the Lancet imminently.

Oxford/Astrazeneca already started Phase2 /3 trials , and not only in UK but S.Africa and Brazil.

 

[Redplane]

Meanwhile in Georgia...
If you want to talk about someone being worse and smarter than Trump. He s probably someone to pay attention giving the past electoral messes in state as well.

NPR: Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp Sues Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms Over Face Mask Order. https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...nce-bottoms-over-face-mask-or?ft=nprml&f=1001

 

[RedFish]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...uld-provide-double-protection-report-12029406

Full report released on Monday apparently

There will be a need for several vaccines as one company does t have a chance in hell of supplying all the vaccines needed worldwide. so obviously good news there seems to be good progress us being made on both sides of the pond.

 

[Wibble]

There will be a need for several vaccines as one company does t have a chance in hell of supplying all the vaccines needed worldwide. so obviously good news there seems to be good progress us being made on both sides of the pond.

The Oxford vaccine already expect to be able to produce 2 billion doses by the end of the year with more manufacturing deals expected to be announced soon.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ntial-vaccine-doses-astrazeneca-says-12000631

 

[RedFish]

The Oxford vaccine already expect to be able to produce 2 billion doses by the end of the year with more manufacturing deals expected to be announced soon.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ntial-vaccine-doses-astrazeneca-says-12000631

Thats amazing. Still, its highly unlikely they'll be the sole source. Just doesn't work like that. Multiple vaccines is a good thing and going forward depending on duration of protection conferred, new vaccines will have to be developed.

Edit: these are obviously deals done on the assumption pjase 2and 3 go as planned. Which they should, but you never know. Rushed is a understatement but a necessity clearly.

 

[Wibble]

Long term symptoms experienced by the majority.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-sydney-hospital-in-march-still-have-symptoms

 

[zing]

The Oxford vaccine already expect to be able to produce 2 billion doses by the end of the year with more manufacturing deals expected to be announced soon.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ntial-vaccine-doses-astrazeneca-says-12000631

Says end of next year in the article?

 

[Wibble]

Says end of next year in the article?

Yes - no way they could make 2 billion by the end of this year even if it gets approval in September. I'd guess that 2 billion samples will be boosted significantly with more manufacturing deals so with other vaccines arriving we can hopefully have herd immunity by the end of 2021 in most countries.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

423 in Aus yesterday? 16.92 cases per million, does that put them on the UK quarantine list now?

 

[Penna]

The top ten countries for cases, according to the John Hopkins University tracker:

1. US: 3,576,157
2. Brazil: 2,012,151
3. India: 1,003,832
4. Russia: 751,612
5. Peru: 341,586
6. South Africa: 324,221
7. Mexico: 324,041
8. Chile: 323,698
9. United Kingdom: 294,116
10. Iran: 267,061

(From The Guardian)

The UK "wins" for Europe, it appears.

 

[africanspur]

The top ten countries for cases, according to the John Hopkins University tracker:

1. US: 3,576,157
2. Brazil: 2,012,151
3. India: 1,003,832
4. Russia: 751,612
5. Peru: 341,586
6. South Africa: 324,221
7. Mexico: 324,041
8. Chile: 323,698
9. United Kingdom: 294,116
10. Iran: 267,061

(From The Guardian)

The UK "wins" for Europe, it appears.

I wonder where the difference is coming from, the worldometers data has Spain with far more cases for some reason:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Either way, our response has been beyond shambolic. Whichever way you look at it, the surrounding countries on that list are not exactly paragons of good governance.

 

[massi83]

They are just about 100% sure because a single person brought it up from Victoria and went to a pub during his journey and gave it to 10+ people who attended that pub at the same time who then passed it on to their contacts. It shows how infectious this is and I'm wondering if the cooler winter weather is a big factor.

It is a lot warmer now in Melbourne than it is in April in the Nordic countries. And Finland's hospitalisation numbers started to decline already in the beginning of April, so I wouldn't call it big factor. But depends on the definition of "big" in this case.

 

[onemanarmy]

New cases on the rise in Belgium.

Tweeted by a virologist:

Monday 13/7 there were 216 new cases.
As a reminder, on March 15, we had 214 new cases. March 17 was the start of the lockdown.

 

[Drawfull]

I wonder where the difference is coming from, the worldometers data has Spain with far more cases for some reason:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Either way, our response has been beyond shambolic. Whichever way you look at it, the surrounding countries on that list are not exactly paragons of good governance.

I don't trust worldometers for Spain. If you check their daily figures against the source document they cite (official government daily document), they never tally any more and haven't for months. Spain's just shy of 260k cases, I think.

I think worldometers are counting cases more than once for us, maybe because of the cack handed way we're announcing the numbers now.

 

[Penna]

I wonder where the difference is coming from, the worldometers data has Spain with far more cases for some reason:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Either way, our response has been beyond shambolic. Whichever way you look at it, the surrounding countries on that list are not exactly paragons of good governance.

That was my thought, too. Putting the USA to one side because it's run by a crazy man, it's a disgrace for the UK to be in that list. The Government had plenty of warning from Italy and Spain.

 

[golden_blunder]

The top ten countries for cases, according to the John Hopkins University tracker:

1. US: 3,576,157
2. Brazil: 2,012,151
3. India: 1,003,832
4. Russia: 751,612
5. Peru: 341,586
6. South Africa: 324,221
7. Mexico: 324,041
8. Chile: 323,698
9. United Kingdom: 294,116
10. Iran: 267,061

(From The Guardian)

The UK "wins" for Europe, it appears.

Come on everyone, the team is falling down the table! Get out and drink more coffee, get your hair done, get to the pub and your gym.

 

[africanspur]

That was my thought, too. Putting the USA to one side because it's run by a crazy man, it's a disgrace for the UK to be in that list. The Government had plenty of warning from Italy and Spain.

Yep, for sure.

I know it might be a slightly over the top response but literally every day I see Johnson or Patel or Hancock or Gove or Raab or any of those twats, I genuinely feel sick to my stomach. Not just at their initial response but everything since then, their rhetoric, the other things they've done in the meantime, Brexit, the way I'm sure an 'independent panel' will scapegoat others later on.

 

[africanspur]

I don't trust worldometers for Spain. If you check their daily figures against the source document they cite (official government daily document), they never tally any more and haven't for months. Spain's just shy of 260k cases, I think.

I think worldometers are counting cases more than once for us, maybe because of the cack handed way we're announcing the numbers now.

That's a shame, it kind of throws off any trust I have in the rest of the site's figures for Covid then.

 

[Massive Spanner]

New cases on the rise in Belgium.

Tweeted by a virologist:

Monday 13/7 there were 216 new cases.
As a reminder, on March 15, we had 214 new cases. March 17 was the start of the lockdown.

Couldn't a part of that in Belgium and other similar countries be due to the fact that they are testing far high numbers per week, now though?

 

[Drawfull]

That's a shame, it kind of throws off any trust I have in the rest of the site's figures for Covid then.

I only really look at Spain UK and US, and the latter two seem to match up. As I said, Spain's numbers are released in a weird way nowadays - e.g., deaths are 'from the last 7 days', so technically deaths reported today could have occurred 6 days ago, with none actually happening in the last 24 hours.

I think we have issues with cases too: Yesterday, there were 500 odd positive PCR tests, mostly in and around Barcelona, but Worldometers uses the 1200 figure. Yet that figure includes people who are NOT ill, but have antibodies in their system from having had the illness in the past. There is confusion within municiplalities as to whether these people have already been counted as positives months ago or not.

I'm getting confused writing it to be honest.

 

[JPRouve]

I only really look at Spain UK and US, and the latter two seem to match up. As I said, Spain's numbers are released in a weird way nowadays - e.g., deaths are 'from the last 7 days', so technically deaths reported today could have occurred 6 days ago, with none actually happening in the last 24 hours.

I think we have issues with cases too: Yesterday, there were 500 odd positive PCR tests, mostly in and around Barcelona, but Worldometers uses the 1200 figure. Yet that figure includes people who are NOT ill, but have antibodies in their system from having had the illness in the past. There is confusion within municiplalities as to whether these people have already been counted as positives months ago or not.

I'm getting confused writing it to be honest.

There is also a problem with what each countries are reporting, some countries are still only reporting hospital deaths or France for example only reports PCR tests and not rapid tests. So we can't really use Worldometers to make comparisons.

 

[Drifter]

Boris Johnson announces strict new powers and changes working from home advice in latest lockdown 'road map'

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...st-updates-boris-johnson-speech-a4500961.html

 

[Dave_MUFC]

Boris Johnson announces strict new powers and changes working from home advice in latest lockdown 'road map'

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...st-updates-boris-johnson-speech-a4500961.html

Think that's the end of it for my comfy WFH set up, goodbye to feeling a lot more happier mentally, energetic, not wasting the whole weekend doing chores etc...

 

[SambaBoy]

Just passing the buck there. saying it's up to the employer.

 

[balaks]

Think that's the end of it for my comfy WFH set up, goodbye to feeling a lot more happier mentally, energetic, not wasting the whole weekend doing chores etc...

Welcome back to day to day drudgery and hell like the rest of us.

 

[RonaldoVII]

He says football stadia could be back open to fans in October yet still no mention of when you can hug a relative/friend? Despite seemingly most ignoring that rule anyway now.

 

[WI_Red]

He says football stadia could be back open to fans in October yet still no mention of when you can hug a relative/friend? Despite seemingly most ignoring that rule anyway now.

So drunkenly hugging a stranger ok.

Hugging grandma not so much.

Sound about right.

 

[NinjaFletch]

He says football stadia could be back open to fans in October yet still no mention of when you can hug a relative/friend? Despite seemingly most ignoring that rule anyway now.

I genuinely think BoJo and friends have ignored that rule for so long they genuinely forgot they made it.