Not sure if seriousI am just glad that everything will be back to normal by Christmas . Will we have football crowds back next season now ?
Not sure if seriousI am just glad that everything will be back to normal by Christmas . Will we have football crowds back next season now ?
In the UK you can look at the ONS stats which are based on death certificates, and so don't have the same issue as the PHE stats, although they take longer to come out. Those show that the PHE stats are a significant under-estimate, so the breathless panic about over-counting is entirely misplaced.In the US as well. Everything is so confusing. Don't know what to think.
Yeah that one is a bit confusing because as you say the current figures are an under estimate, the excess death was at 65k a week ago, so I have an idea about what Hancock is trying to do but he will have a hard time explaining the total amount of deaths.In the UK you can look at the ONS stats which are based on death certificates, and so don't have the same issue as the PHE stats, although they take longer to come out. Those show that the PHE stats are a significant under-estimate, so the breathless panic about over-counting is entirely misplaced.
Cases seem to be a bit higher than usual (at this point I mean)UK 40 deaths and 827 cases
It might become a marginal issue in the coming weeks, as the number of deaths of people with historical positive tests begins to exceed the number who died of Covid but without a positive hospital test, but there was no reason, other than arse covering, to stop announcing the number of deaths each day.Yeah that one is a bit confusing because as you say the current figures are an under estimate, the excess death was at 65k a week ago, so I have an idea about what Hancock is trying to do but he will have a hard time explaining the total amount of deaths.
Haven’t been able to find that information on the government website. I thought they had temporarily paused the number of deaths because of the inaccuracies?UK 40 deaths and 827 cases
I'd be very sceptical about that, if it can be done in 20 mins, can't see there being any possibility that it is very accurate.Did anyone read in the papers about the UK rtc pregnancy style antibody test? Uses a pin prick of your blood.
Is very accurate and can be done at home, takes 20 mins for a result.
It is proven to be highly accurate. 98.6%.I'd be very sceptical about that, if it can be done in 20 mins, can't see there being any possibility that it is very accurate.
They already exist, in France you still have to do a PCR test to confirm a positive TROD(those rapid tests) and even when you are negative it's recommended to do a PCR test.I'd be very sceptical about that, if it can be done in 20 mins, can't see there being any possibility that it is very accurate.
Source?It is proven to be highly accurate. 98.6%.
I know the rapid tests exists, but not one claiming to be 98.6% accurate, "better than lab testing".They already exist, in France you still have to do a PCR test to confirm a positive TROD(those rapid tests) and even when you are negative it's recommended to do a PCR test.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...nging-coronavirus-antibody-test-passes-first/Source?
The only source is the guy leading the consortium after "secret human trials", not yet published? Hmmmm... I'll remain sceptical.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...nging-coronavirus-antibody-test-passes-first/
Plus it’s on Bloomberg, New York Times and various others.
Fair stance to take.The only course is the guy leading the consortium after "secret human trials", not yet published? Hmmmm... I'll remain sceptical.
Absolutely, as would getting this vaccine a tonne of researchers and companies can't wait to tell us is "close".If it is as accurate as is claimed and we all get one, or maybe one every few months that would be amazing.
I'd be very sceptical about that, if it can be done in 20 mins, can't see there being any possibility that it is very accurate.
There are already highly accurate serology tests available. Made by Abbott and Roche. Anyone who wants/needs one can pay to get it done. A quicker/cheaper/easier one which you get done at home wouldn’t be any kind of major breakthrough. The big problem we have now is that we don’t know if a) testing postive for antibodies means you’re immune or b) if catching covid means you’ll still have antibodies circulating a few weeks later. A new test won’t change this.It is proven to be highly accurate. 98.6%.
This is much higher than lots of lab based tests.
Same here. Had some bloodwork done last week and appointments were staggered in a way where patients didn't see one another.When I go to my local hospital for blood tests, they have:
Social distancing markers and chairs at those points outside before you even go in the door
At the door, a lady greets you and gives you a mask to wear if you don’t have one. She also takes your temperature
Reception has been cleared out so only 10 people can sit inside the reception area at one time
I can’t believe it when I read other hospitals aren’t even asking you to wear a mask!
Haven’t been able to find that information on the government website. I thought they had temporarily paused the number of deaths because of the inaccuracies?
Case numbers seem like they have spiked considerably.
We had a 800+ case day last week around this time but was followed by many days in 500-600 range. Could be another one off so we'll see again this Tue.Cases seem to be a bit higher than usual (at this point I mean)
My Aunt took part in the Covid anti body testing trial.Did anyone read in the papers about the UK rtc pregnancy style antibody test? Uses a pin prick of your blood.
Is very accurate and can be done at home, takes 20 mins for a result.
Plan is for the govt to give them to everyone to use.
I think the science about antibodies is not yet proven but nobody has caught it twice so I’d be very interested to know if I’d already had it.
And given that there will have been far fewer deaths from flu, covid deaths will be far higher. That the government have idiotically included a few people who had covid and died from something else later (and the something else could have occurred because of previous illness) in figures is just more bumbling, but it shouldn't distract from the fact that many of the 70,000-100,000 who have dies of covid did so due to the same governmental incompetence.60,000 excess deaths
Given that there are only a very few reports of possible reinfection it seem almost certain that some level of immunity is gained at least for those who were significantly symptomatic. The Oxford vaccine trial produced an immune response in 100% of subjects. This suggests (but doesn't prove) that the body does produce anitgens for Covid.Reinfection is the one area we are still totally in the dark about. Other than a handful of anecdotal stories there has been no proof of reinfection, and we do know antibodies are not the whole story when it comes to immunity. It looks likely its here to stay in one form or another, but far from certain.
Even home bowel cancer tests aren't that easy to do. You would think shitting on a stick wasn't that hard but a quite high proportion of returned tests have to be done again.My Aunt took part in the Covid anti body testing trial.
After she pricked her finger, she accidentally put too much blood onto the small test spot point essentially flooding the testing strip and as a result it came back as positive. The technician then repeated the test, with the correct amount of blood needed and got a negative result.
She said the results where quick, but that it was quite an assumption to think the British public are ready or able to do the test at home correctly.
Global deaths top 600,000, although the likely number could be significantly higher.
Just as worrysome are the new cases, where the line on the graph is almost vertical.
Are we at the end of the beginning. Certainly not the beginning of the end.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53454558Coronavirus: WHO reports record single-day global increase in cases
Europe are probably just about at the end of the beginning. East Asia a little bit further ahead. Most of the rest of the world aren't even anywhere close to that yet. India are probably weeks if not months off even hitting a first peak, let alone worrying about second waves.Global deaths top 600,000, although the likely number could be significantly higher.
Just as worrysome are the new cases, where the line on the graph is almost vertical.
Are we at the end of the beginning. Certainly not the beginning of the end.
Agree with you. This is going to be with us and amongst us for some time to come.Europe are probably just about at the end of the beginning. East Asia a little bit further ahead. Most of the rest of the world aren't even anywhere close to that yet. India are probably weeks if not months off even hitting a first peak, let alone worrying about second waves.
The replies to that first one are something else. Jesus, the irony can be cut with a knife yet they're oblivious.
It's pathetic, quite honestly. The UK government's been so bad with their "use your common sense" and self-policing messages. Now they've decided to actually make something compulsory, no ifs and buts, some people are outraged.How come this is being discussed/done right now? As far as I know wearing masks in enclosed public spaces has been compulsory in Germany (and lots of other countries as well I guess) for three months now.
No logic involved, they're just plain thick.What is the logic behind the beef people have with wearing masks?
Their freedom has been stolen.What is the logic behind the beef people have with wearing masks?
There's no logic, it's not caring about other people, really. It's the me-me-me attitude.What is the logic behind the beef people have with wearing masks?
No logic involved, they're just plain thick.
Their freedom has been stolen.
Thanks all.There's no logic, it's not caring about other people, really. It's the me-me-me attitude.