Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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Do you honestly think replacing ole is the answer to closing the gap with city and liverpool? If so, which manager can come in andd do that? (Please don't say Poch)
A better manager would of course help to close the gap.

I can't believe that the same set of fans who lived through Sir Alex still downplay the importance of a manager and how much they can improve a team.

I don't like Poch(even though I think he's better than Ole probably). He's not a winner.
 

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At the top level the margins are very slim; the result in a single match is often a deciding factor in keeping or sacking a manager.

Realistically, Ole's fate should hinge on Leicester's game, but I think it won't and he will be allowed to carry on regardless. The problem I have with that is I think that a huge part of the reason for that would be fear of upsetting the fans.
 

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Pochettino
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All better managers than what we have. That’s 5 and they all play good football the right way.
Better Coach or Manager?

Our club is a giant organisation without director of football. Appointing one with good knowledge of tactics is not enough.

You need very good management skill as well. Ole has proven himself capable of steering the ship when it is sinking. I am not sure any of the "managers" or coach above are capable of dealing with all the different stress and decision when comes to managing Man UTD. Everyone in the club UP or DOWN is supporting Ole. That is the most important factor in my opinion.

Ole could hire an assistant tactics coach to assist him if necessary. He is good at delegating. The leaders hire the best talent like our Fergie does.
 

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Ole has been given plenty of funding, plenty of patience. If we can't qualify for CL, he has to go. Too many opportunity lost and wasted. But, he does have Europa as backup, which is really no excuse, considering he should have wrapped up 3rd tonight with the last game to spare.
 

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For the few who voted "Sacking", would you please enlighten us which Manager in competitive football has leap from "6th to 1st" in their first full season with a newly assembled team ?
 

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Even if we miss CL (lost top 4 and even EL), I want him to continue his work next season.

If the same rubbish stubbornness and coaching problems persisting next season, then it shows he's clueless in what he lacks as United manager and therefore should be replaced asap.
 

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I think Hasenhuttl is too. Southampton are such a well drilled team with an exciting style and progressive way of playing. I couldn't help but think after our game that this set of players we have now, with that level of coaching, would be so much better.
Lolwut? They are second from bottom on the Home table. Yeah, that would work for us, being shite at home and great at countering sides when playing away. Sort of did that early days with Ole and it just doesn't work.

What you are talking about, Southampton Away:
3Southampton199463025+531

What you are overlooking, Southampton Home
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He finished 3rd with a team that has outspent every other team in Germany excluding Bayern and Dortmund in the last 2 years. They finished exactly where their spending should have them. Also the competition of opponents in Germany is weaker than in the PL.

Nagelsmann has not over achieved in the last 2 seasons either and his season before that seems to suggest it is an outlier rather than the norm.
Nagelsmann only joined RBL at the start of the current season from Hoffenheim.

Nagelsmann punched above his weight when he was the head coach at Hoffenheim. He was meant to take over at Hoffenheim for the start of the 2016/17 season but was forced to arrive early due to the stand in coach leaving the head coach post early due to health issues. Nagelsmann was appointed the coach of Hoffenheim at the age of 28 in February 2016 with the club 7 points adrift of safety and relegation looked a very real possibility. Nagelsmann in the remaining 14 games turned the fortunes of the club around and they made up the points deficit and survived relegation by 1 point.

The following season at Hoffenheim which was his first full season in charge, he finished 4th in the league and the club qualified for the Champions League for the first time in their history. The season after that he finished 3rd with little Hoffenheim and he and the club were overachieving on a huge scale.

In the 2019/20 season he joined RB Leipzig and below is a link which shows who they bought and sold in the season. Nagelsmann and the club even excelled in that department . Also bear in mind that £20m for Augustin from Leeds isn't included as yet.

RBL played a back 3 in their last game which consisted of Konate, Upamecano, Halstenberg and GK Yvon Mvogo and combined they cost less than Daniel James.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rasenballsport-leipzig/transfers/verein/23826
 
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I haven't enjoyed watching United like I have since the covid break in many many years. Long live Ole.
 

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Honestly are his signings really that great?
Of course they are not. Bruno might be an excellent signing (or might not, it is still too early to tell, but the signs have been more good than bad), Maguire and AWB are decent but not great while also costing twice as much as they should have. James has been a failure, while Ighalo doesn't really count (he is there to play 10 mins every second game).

For 200m+, they have been bad signings, same as those for every manager. Obviously, at the beginning every signing becomes 'best signing since X, or best defensive right-back etc etc', but in grand scheme of things, we spent more than 200m to sign a very good but not World Class player, 2 decent defenders and a guy who runs fast.
 

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Its too early to make that kind of judgement one way or the other. What argument are you going to use? His big game record against these elite managers is excellent so far.

I'm a big Ole supporter. Have been all the way through. I have always thought that there is a question mark about whether he is the right manager for right now, or whether he can take us all the way. For me though its unquestionably the case that he is the right manager for right now. Time will tell on the rest of it.
But surely having spent so much, improved players, and bought well, he should be expected to challenge in the very near future? Do we have to wait for him to be ready to challenge, challenge on Ole's timetable and not ours?

He's brought positives of course, but since we're not yet where we need to be we have to keep looking forward and evaluating until we get there. Same with players, same with managers. Just because Ole is good, and better than before, doesn't mean we get complacent and comfortable.
 

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Don’t you have to judge things relatively though. The majority thought we wouldn’t make top 4 because Spurs and Arsenal would occupy them. But........
Yeah,we didn’t expect Spurs to implode so spectacularly,but honestly a lot of supporters weren’t enthused by the signings we made last summer.While Maguire and Wan Bissaka looked like good signings,James was an unknown quantity and we didn’t sign any new central midfielder.We signed nobody to replace Lukaku and most supporters felt we were short up front.

Just think about where we were last summer....A squad which performed terribly towards the end of last season....A star player who was publicly making noises about leaving the club....A very young strike force who didn’t look like they could score an adequate number of goals....I honestly thought we had no chance of making top 4....So atleast in my view we”ve made good progress this season...
 

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If we get Sancho and Ole proves capable of learning rotation and we end up around twenty points better I'd strongly consider keeping on. Even if the 'tactically naive'/'relies on individual moments' issue is still there.

But if we get Sancho and he persists with this weird clinging-to-the-form-players-until-they're-dead thing that he's now done twice and we only end up ten points better and he sanctions a +350k/w contract for Pogba etc. then we probably should go for someone like Nagelsman.
 

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I read this to often, "we've tried Van Gaal/Mourinho and id didnt worked out, having a proven manager is not the way" if we applied the same logic with players then we shouldnt buy anyone, need a new cb? No man we bought Jones, Smalling, Lindelof, etc it didnt worked out, how does that sound? Of course Mourinho and Van Gaal were not the right managers, but that doesnt mean hiring good managers is a mistake, we should keep hiring and firing until we find the perfect one for us.
I never said having a proven manager is not the way. I think it was a culmination of situations that led us to hiring Ole. Firstly, I think for a change we wanted to try doing things differently having a long term vision in mind where we don’t let managers come in who stamp their own footprint and then leave us having to do a major reboot. We wanted a manager who could bring us back to our own identity. Secondly, I don’t think many other good managers were available when we hired Ole. There was Allegri available but the rumours were that he either didn’t want to come to us during such a period of transition and also that maybe he didn’t suit our club that well. There was Conte but he was destined for Inter and Poch was an option but the way he was doing this season, we didn’t seem sure enough to take a chance with him.

You also have to understand that hiring Ole is not the end of the world. We can always hire another good/better manager but once we’re completely sure Ole isn’t the man to take us forward and when there’s actually a manager available who would compliment us well or at least better than we’re doing right now. I don’t think any other manager could’ve come in and suddenly made Lingard & company worldies. Mourinho tried and it didn’t happen. Can you recommend any other good managers that are available at the moment?

Firstly I must mention that everyteam has injuries, theres no excuse to say "we were plagged by injuries so let the manager have a free ride" second you speak as remaining a fighting distance as if it was down to Ole? Because I think it was because, as I mentioned in my post earlier, this season has been exceptionally poor for the top 4. In the first round we were 4 points off top 4 with 28 points in 19 matches. Totally unaceptable results points wise, however the other teams being so poor helped us.
To your first remark: I think it’s a little unfair to say that injuries are not to blame. I’d concede injuries are not to blame if our squad depth is like City’s where they’re well stacked in terms of replacing a quality player with another player of almost-or-equal quality.
When we lost our BEST players to injury while having incompetent players to replace them with, you have to admit even you as a manager, would have no other option but to accept whatever results come your way.
I think Ole did deserve some sort of a ‘free ride’ this season because he also helped us as a club figure out how good our squad actually is. He gave the entire squad a chance to play this season and prove themselves. Now we know exactly who is good enough to wear our jersey.
But next season I am right with you when I say I’ll be scrutinizing Ole much more harshly because now we have almost assembled a squad for him where injuries shouldn’t be any sort of excuse to cut him some slack.

Secondly we shouldnt evaluate Ole just for the second part of the season, the postBruno era. We should evaluate him for the whole season. My opinion? If we only look at the whole season he should be fired, his start was awful we were lucky Leicester had such a masive drop otherwise our top 4 chances would be slim.
I have evaluated Ole for the entire season. And in my opinion, he does not justify being fired at all. He actually did really well with the players he had available during the first part too. Fred & McT were given a chance by him and they had much better seasons than previously. Pereira, Lingard, Mata, James were useless and they cost us most of the points. Pogba, Martial & Rashford were unavailable at different points and we had no players of similar quality to replace them with.
And sure we got lucky other teams had a dip in form including Leicester’s late dip but luck is just luck. Last year other teams got lucky when DDG cost us top 4. Leicester got lucky when they won the PL cuz spurs fecked up. Liverpool were unlucky when Gerrard slipped.
I understand that we shouldn’t rely on luck but that’s the charm of the PL. There’s so much talent that as long as we do our best, we could always make a comeback. We could’ve given up the way our season started but after the liverpool draw, we locked down, played to our strengths, hid our weaknesses as well as we could, until we were able to bring in reinforcements and make a comeback. If Ole was actually that incompetent than for me at least, he wouldn’t have gotten the results he got against the top 6 sides and neither would he have suddenly started to do better when he got Bruno & Ighalo. It was clearly evident then that the strategies he had were fine, it was just the quality that was missing. As soon as Bruno got introduced, it was like check mate. Everything started to make sense, goals were being created and finished. I mean we have to cut Ole some slack for having to survive without even half decent players, let alone Lingard & company who are West Ham level, let alone top 10 team level.
Of course the thing to evaluate is do we think Ole can sustain the team performing consistently like the second part of the season? If you do, then I understand you wanting him to continue.
This is the best part of your post. I say that because I get to honestly point out that I’m not one of those blind Ole fans. I myself would like to see how he does and then judge him once he cannot be afforded any excuses which for me, is by the end of next season. If he can sustain the team performing then sure, otherwise yes, he’s not the man to take us forward. He was good for this rebuilding phase and that’s about it. Because now we won’t be recycling the squad like we did under LvG and Mou. The next manager will surely bring in a handful of players but the core will remain the same for the next decade almost.
Finally had players coming around to his philosophies? I dont know but that doesnt sound right. Magically a bunch of players clicked into his system after a whole year? I think its more about Bruno changing completely our system, as I said in my previous post, I dont think this is a system based performances I think its players naturally performing because of their qualities.
I think when a new manager comes in there’s surely a phase where players have to change their playing styles from a previous managers teachings to a new one. Ole himself mentioned how our work ethic and fitness levels were well below par under Mourinho. Then comes the defensive approach that our players had been used to and now they had to become more progressive and more attacking. It takes time to suddenly start making perfect passes suited to a totally different style. In Pep’s first year, city players made countless errors. Likewise in Klopp’s first few seasons. It was evident that A) players needed to adapt to a different style, and B) which players were needed to replace since they couldn’t adapt to the new system.
Same thing happened with us. When Ole took over from Mou, he gave everyone a chance and it became evident that players like Lukaku, Smalling & Sanchez, no matter how good they were, did not suit our system or possess the quality to survive.

When a system works you can have good or bad results, but the style of play is there. An example of this is Norwich, they get awful results but the style is clear for everyone to see, no matter which players are on the field.

When we dont have the full XI available our performances drop massively, and more importantly our style dissapears. We are not playing tiki taka or anything like that so we shouldnt rely on one or two players to develop our whole game.

I know the gap quality between the starters and the squad players is considerable, but thats the managers job to implement a system that hides the players weaknesses and functions with different variants. If not then your only setting yourself for failure, theres no way a team can sustain the same starting XI for all the season or have the same quality on the bench to replace a player, it doesnt work that way.

"Proper squad" is a very subjective term, I hate to bring Klopp in to this but were Salah, Mane, Firminho, Virgil, Allison, Robertson, TAA a "proper squad" when he arrived/bought them? Players are as good as they perform. You cant expect patience eternally for a manager to perform until he completely changes the whole squad and fills it out with already made superstars.

The manager should be given time as he gives results, of course there are short, medium and long term goals and should be judged accordingly but theres no such thing as being not judged until having a "complete proper squad".
Referring to the bolded parts:

A) This all refers back to whatever I have mentioned above in this post. It is the managers job to make do with what he has but let’s be honest. Our bench is full on incompetent players way past their prime. Even Mourinho who got us 2nd place said he couldn’t have done any better than that with this squad and I fully believed him. There’s only so much you can do. If the term ‘quality’ wasn’t relative than we’d see managers like Pep winning trophies with championship players too. Which doesn’t happen does it. A managers philosophies are only as worthwhile as the players capable of applying the teachings. Why did Pep & Klopp get so much free time to build their own squad before they were answerable for their objectives? Why did we even bother hiring Ole when we knew were in transition and he obviously doesn’t have that prominent of a resume? It’s because we knew this rebuild will take time and we don’t a manager who will feck off in 2/3 years time if it doesn’t work out. We wanted someone who will think long term for a change. And one that will bring us back to our identity. A club like ours will never remain successful by always hiring the best managers and then getting rid of them to start a new cycle. We have been successful because our plan was always wholesome and long term enough to guarantee decades of success, not a mere handful of years.

B) As for the Liverpool players that you mentioned, they were good that’s why they stuck around. It’s the players you didn’t mention that weren’t good enough and needed replacing. That has been my whole point. Similarly, in our team, sure Pogba, Rashford, Martial had potential and we weren’t worried about them. But we were worried about players like Lingard, Pereira, Mata etc who we knew will cost us points, results, performances etc. And that is literally what happened. You think if we had better players and Ole still couldn’t get results, I would continue supporting him? Hell nah.
 
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When fergie came we weren't the man utd of fergie but we had Charlton, Best, Edwards,Busby in our past and he pushed us to reclaim our rightful place as the greatest club in England. If we have a manager whose entire purpose is not to keep us on the throne then he should not be here. The more fans like you lower our standards the faster we risk becoming like Arsenal.
Nice history lesson, but Fergie was a complete anomaly. He won 12 of our 20 league titles, where the other 8 are spread over half a century. We dont have a divine right to be on the top

What current manager out there looks to be the next Fergie? None as far as i can tell
 

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But surely having spent so much, improved players, and bought well, he should be expected to challenge in the very near future? Do we have to wait for him to be ready to challenge, challenge on Ole's timetable and not ours?

He's brought positives of course, but since we're not yet where we need to be we have to keep looking forward and evaluating until we get there. Same with players, same with managers. Just because Ole is good, and better than before, doesn't mean we get complacent and comfortable.
To challenge, we need to have a squad - not just a first team. We started gelling and were rampant. With rotation, we could have retained freshness, but look at that bench and look at what happens when we start playing those who're on it. Fred and Scott get a lot of praise and there seems to be a lot of revisionism in this. We've changed our style post restart. It's more expansive and with a lot more possession than before. We had that ridiculous stat previously of not winning games where we had more than 55% or whatever of the ball. That was the setup in which Fred and McTominay played their best games - the ones where the big teams hogged the ball and we scrapped and fought and absorbed the punches while looking to hit them on the break. Each time these players have come in during the post-lockdown period, the drop in standards has been painful to watch.

Result? We've played the same players each game - including 4 in the last ten days. Of course they're exhausted and look it. We should be thankful there's just one last big effort needed.

Oh and I think this "form" of ours is blown way out of proportion. Because as fans, we focus solely on our own team. Other teams have been utterly atrocious too. Some consistently and others in patches. But they've all had more downs than ups and all have been poorer than us.
From the restart in the PL:
1. Second for points collected (18) behind City (21) - though we've played one fewer game than City.
2. Second for goals scored (20); again behind City (29) and well ahead of that darling of the media, Chelsea (16)
3. Only team to not lose a match
4. Second-lowest goals conceded (6)

In summary, we've made up loads of ground despite a tremendously punishing schedule and a wafer-thin squad behind the first-choice 11. I don't get the moaning.

As for when we'll challenge, well, I reckon if we bought 4-5 quality additions to the first-team squad, we could do it immediately based on how well they integrate and how many lucky breaks we get with injuries (Seriously, when did VvD last miss a run of games?). That's how football is. A squad game with an element of fortune regarding injuries. Do I think this will happen this year? Sadly, I don't I think it will. Feel we'll get a max of 3 players in and that'll see us improve yet again but fall short of a title challenge in the coming season. To expect otherwise would be deluded. Fail to improve and yes, we must question Ole. But to call for his head right now would be ridiculous.

At the start of the season, everyone was calling this "the worst United squad in PL history" despite the signings of Maguire and AWB. Now, somehow being in third going into the last game of the PL season with that same squad + Bruno (despite the absolutely horrific injury fortunes) is a calamity? Where's the perspective and balance?
 

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We have such a weird fanbase. After years of dross and barely scraping into the Europa League we turned on Jose who had just finished 2nd and now again, after a change of direction and an aggressive clearout, fans are still criticising Ole.

We’re 3rd! That’s a huge achievement with the squad we have
 

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Nice history lesson, but Fergie was a complete anomaly. He won 12 of our 20 league titles, where the other 8 are spread over half a century. We dont have a divine right to be on the top

What current manager out there looks to be the next Fergie? None as far as i can tell
Zidane?
 

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You suggested that OGS is a better manager than Poch because he's won a trophy. Rodgers won an absurd amount of trophies at Celtic and did something SAF couldn't at United (i.e. three trebles). But it would be ridiculous to suggest Rodgers is a better manager than SAF because some trophies aren't at the same level as others (e.g. the Norwegian league).
I certainly did not suggest that :lol: . You stated that Oles “qualifications” for the job weren’t enough and that we should have looked at someone with a mighty CV like Poch. I pointed out that Ole has won more trophies than Poch.

Anyway I’m not going to bother with you, since you seem to miss the point quite a bit.
 

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But it was the same tactics that got us to 3rd in the League haha . You can't cry now it's all wrong just because a few games haven't went how we have wanted .
Yes have a go at the change of formation in the semi final but to have a go at that game yesterday is a joke .
Great counter argument mate.
 

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I haven't enjoyed watching United like I have since the covid break in many many years. Long live Ole.
Indeed, we’ve been rolling back the years and actually playing some great stuff with a young team. Quite easily our best period post-Fergie for me.
 

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Guys, if we are really honest with ourselves, the last games have been INDIVIDUAL mistakes largely.

This makes me worry about what might happen on Sunday.
From Maguire, Pogba, DDG mistakes, we've had some big time mistakes from our players. That coupled by fatigue, non rotation of playing team then it becomes hard when you go behind in a game, through mistakes , then chase the game while fatigued.
We have to minimise mistakes really. Other than that we are 3rd for God's sake. Let Ole do his job.
A price we pay is he is learning while managing United. Other want a manager who has already learnt from elsewhere and we know how that will end really.
 

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Lolwut? They are second from bottom on the Home table. Yeah, that would work for us, being shite at home and great at countering sides when playing away. Sort of did that early days with Ole and it just doesn't work.

What you are talking about, Southampton Away:
3Southampton199463025+531

What you are overlooking, Southampton Home
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"Lolwut"? What?

I said they're well drilled and play a progressive way etc. Some of their players are pretty mediocre/average and won't beat everybody. Besides, they don't tend to play on the counter, they're always on the front foot. Also, read up on Hasenhuttl and you'll see what his legacy was in Germany and how highly rated he was over there.
 

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I'm not in the Ole out camp, I actually can see the direction the clubs going in for once but the use of the squad has baffled me. Bournmouth and Villa, why didn't we rotate the midfield for these games.

You can't tell me we couldn't rest players against Bournmouth at home. What's happened as a result of the lack of rotation is players are burnt out.

Rashford, Fernandes and Matic were out on their feet yesterday and should have been withdrawn on the hour. Mata, Igahlo and Fred or Mctominey are more than capable of putting in a short shift and in Ighalo and Mata's case it's more a plan B option that might actual break our opponents defence down.
 

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If Ole wins his last game, he ends up with the same amount of points, with a very similar goal difference, one spot higher on the table, than Pep managed in his first season with arguably a way better team.

If he can add 10 - 15 points to that next season, I'd be happy. And I think he can. The young players will (probably/hopefully) make some progress, and we'll sign a good player or three.
 

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I'm still annoyed by the Chelsea game! Why in the world didn't he rest rest Bruno and a few others and play Ighalo, fred etc.

Why hasn't be utilised Fred more? He was having his best season for us before the lockdown. Why doesn't he try Mata when the opposition sits back?? He's run the players into the ground, playing the same team every matchday, such amateurish management
 

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Add a quality player or three in the closed season and the future is bright as squad depth is an issue.
 

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If we sign loads of top class players then we'll be fine. Midfielders and attackers that have their own ideas on the pitch and naturally play good football, defenders that can organise for us and stop us looking so vulnerable at the back. Basically enough good players that tactics/coaching don't matter and we'll be fine. I think that's what we're all saying here right?
 

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If we sign loads of top class players then we'll be fine. Midfielders and attackers that have their own ideas on the pitch and naturally play good football, defenders that can organise for us and stop us looking so vulnerable at the back. Basically enough good players that tactics/coaching don't matter and we'll be fine. I think that's what we're all saying here right?
No. What we're saying is that for the tactics to work with a full squad, not just 12 of them, you need better players to execute said tactics. Better players allows more rotation.
 

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But surely having spent so much, improved players, and bought well, he should be expected to challenge in the very near future? Do we have to wait for him to be ready to challenge, challenge on Ole's timetable and not ours?

He's brought positives of course, but since we're not yet where we need to be we have to keep looking forward and evaluating until we get there. Same with players, same with managers. Just because Ole is good, and better than before, doesn't mean we get complacent and comfortable.
Its not about waiting for Ole to be ready. Its about waiting for the team to be ready. Ole came in and took over a team bereft of character & low on confidence, with i suspect a very 'laid back' attitude amongst many of the squad. People had to go, and they were sold.

You have to put the foundations in place before you can start building the team. This is where Ole has done so well. He is changing the culture of the club again, and I've said it dozens of times on here but for me the guy is a year ahead of schedule. He's done an absolutely outstanding job IMO, but he still has a lot of work to do to change this team into winners.

Fans being fans though they are impatient, and expectations change almost with every game. We've seen glimpses of what this group of players are capable of, but this is still a young team - not just in age but also in how much football and time they've had together.
 

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I'm still not absolutely convinced that he's good enough. But if he gets us champions league football, then it's job done this season, however he does it.

He then needs at least next season to carry on his rebuild and see where we are then, then it can be reassessed. A lot of the Jose toxicity has seemingly been removed by Ole, which is obviously a bonus, just need a bit of depth to the squad and I don't think we're far away.
 

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I like Ole and I think he has done a good job but the last week has been trash.

Why are we not seing anything he says?

Ole said he wants us to be the fittest team. The last 4 games the opponents have looked fitter
Ole said he wants a pressing team - when was the last time we saw us press teams? Palace and West Ham pressed us more than we pressed them... how is that happening?
 

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Better Coach or Manager?

Our club is a giant organisation without director of football. Appointing one with good knowledge of tactics is not enough.

You need very good management skill as well. Ole has proven himself capable of steering the ship when it is sinking. I am not sure any of the "managers" or coach above are capable of dealing with all the different stress and decision when comes to managing Man UTD. Everyone in the club UP or DOWN is supporting Ole. That is the most important factor in my opinion.

Ole could hire an assistant tactics coach to assist him if necessary. He is good at delegating. The leaders hire the best talent like our Fergie does.
But he’s not going to hire a assistant and whilst his managerial skills are his best attribute their still not better than those I have mentioned. What’s the point of trying to piece together a good manager. Just get a good manager.
 

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I like Ole and I think he has done a good job but the last week has been trash.

Why are we not seing anything he says?

Ole said he wants us to be the fittest team. The last 4 games the opponents have looked fitter
Ole said he wants a pressing team - when was the last time we saw us press teams? Palace and West Ham pressed us more than we pressed them... how is that happening?
I like Ole and I think he has done a good job but the last week has been trash.

Why are we not seing anything he says?

Ole said he wants us to be the fittest team. The last 4 games the opponents have looked fitter
Ole said he wants a pressing team - when was the last time we saw us press teams? Palace and West Ham pressed us more than we pressed them... how is that happening?
It’s happening unfortunately as they’re better coached. Ole does rely on the individual brilliance of our players.

I’m quite certain that if you put any other half decent manager in there he would do better than Ole. We are scrambling into the top 4 in spite of Ole, not because of him.
 

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I like Ole and I think he has done a good job but the last week has been trash.

Why are we not seing anything he says?

Ole said he wants us to be the fittest team. The last 4 games the opponents have looked fitter
Ole said he wants a pressing team - when was the last time we saw us press teams? Palace and West Ham pressed us more than we pressed them... how is that happening?
I told people he’s a serial liar. He just never gets called out on it. I also said he’s team he has managing the fitness side at the club are rumoured to be trash. I mean when is the last time you heard of United doing a bleep test? How backwards.
 

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If we sign loads of top class players then we'll be fine. Midfielders and attackers that have their own ideas on the pitch and naturally play good football, defenders that can organise for us and stop us looking so vulnerable at the back. Basically enough good players that tactics/coaching don't matter and we'll be fine. I think that's what we're all saying here right?
For anyone to make that claim they would need a far better understanding of tactics and coaching than the average football fan.

People dont think this stuff through. You can look at absolutely any other club and see countless examples of 'good player was signed and team got better' or alternatively 'good player left and team got worse' and yet its just accepted as being how football works.

Not by all of the armchair experts on here though. They think we have such a doofus in charge (despite all evidence to the contrary) that our best chance of progress is to make enough signings so that the team will improve IN SPITE of him. I mean, its beyond laughable really.
 

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I'm still in the Ole in camp but he's got one season to start learning from his mistakes. I think he knows what a good team should look like, it's the same one he experienced under Ferguson, but i think he has an awful lot to learn in how to get us there. He knows how we should play but he doesn't have any of the old man's ability to get average players to fit in the team.

Positives:
Squad building - of the 5 players he's brought in 3 are definite starters/improvements, one was only ever intended to be a sub.
Team setup and tactics - the way he has us playing at our best is excellent.
Mentality - we are happier and more expressive than we have been in years.

Negatives:
Game management - when things don't go our way he is totally clueless on what to do.
Rotation - he lacks the ability to get what he wants from inferior players and therefore plays our good players too much.


This summer is crucial as that last factor will make or break him here. Our first 11 is good, possibly even good enough for a title challenge. He needs to address his lack of confidence in our rotation options. We need to buy players in and he needs to learn how to fit what he has into the system he wants, and with that in mind it's worth remembering it took Ferguson about 5 years to do the same.
 
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