Total lack of respect for an absolute club legend (another Ole thread)

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I'm sick of it.

More or less every thread I open, people are openly having pops at Solskjaer. It's incessant. And frankly, embarrassing.

This man has given more-or-less his entire fecking life to this club. Never ONCE has he put Ole first. It's always been the club.

He came to the club as a player, spent the majority of his time on the bench, (despite having outstanding performances week-in, week-out), and he could easily have moved on to another club, like Tottenham, where he was a nailed on starter with a larger earning capacity. Instead, he stuck around and gave his all - knowing full well he was always going to be a substitute. He loved the club.

He came into the job as manager with the club at the lowest state it's been in in some 25+ years. He never knew he was going to be permanent manger; he came in to "help"- which is what Ole does and always has done for this club. When he arrived, from top to bottom, the club fecking stunk. The players didn't want to be here, gave half arse performances, the football was terrible to watch, the club was in total disarray with it's player acquisitions, and we were in free-fall. Despite all of this, Ole came in, steadied the ship, completely reversed the culture within the club, bought "United" players, promoted youth, and restructured the club to how it was in our most successful era.

It's a rebuilding process. Get the culture right within, and the football will follow. Only a complete idiot can say that we haven't progressed this season. The level of entitlement on this forum is ridiculous. He's been here a season and a half, and in that time we have progressed massively.We have people on this forum calling him an "idiot", and wanting us to bring in their new manager of the month flavour. Jose and Van Gaal were two of the most successful and decorated managers prior to joining us - how did they fare? We've seen tangible progress with Solskjaer - which is more than I can say for his predecessors - and look at the state of the club when he received it relative to Jose, LVG and Moyes. But let's just change the manager and roll the dice on an unproven Manchester United manager yet again?

We're moving in the right direction. Give the man a fecking break.
 

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I agree for the most part. Ole is not above criticism but the amount of disrespect shown towards him and many players is frankly disheartening.
 

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I agree for the most part. Ole is not above criticism but the amount of disrespect shown towards him and many players is frankly disheartening.
Absolutely not above criticism. I have no issue with the criticism, but the way that it's dished out is ridiculous at best.

The man isn't infallible, yet he certainly isn't a total failure, as some would have you believe.
 

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I don't see people going overboard with the critiques lately.

There's both positives and negatives with Ole so far.

I don't think we've made that much progress for the season as a whole(considering how poor the league is).

I just worry Ole isn't up to par for challenging for league titles vs Pep and Klopp. Every time I start thinking he may be, we start slipping in results and performances badly.
 

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I don't see people going overboard with the critiques lately.

There's both positives and negatives with Ole so far.

I don't think we've made that much progress for the season as a whole(considering how poor the league is).

I just worry Ole isn't up to par for challenging for league titles vs Pep and Klopp. Every time I start thinking he may be, we start slipping in results and performances badly.
How was Klopp faring when he joined Liverpool? How did Liverpool look 18 months into Klopp's tenure?

Pep is another case: He inherited a star studded team, with an open check book. It's completely unfair to compare any manager to Pep. Pep wasn't happy with his full backs? So I think they spent something stupid like 100-150m on full backs since Pep joined.
 

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The random Ole discussion threads are back. And would likely become Ole in vs Ole out thread
Yes, they are. We drew a football match in the league; so that's grounds for dismissal, clearly. The entitled are just waiting for any excuse to slag Ole off.
 

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Thought this was gonna be about De Gea for a second :lol:
 

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No manager should get a pass because he is a club legend.

My issue with the criticism is that I think a lot of it comes from the cumulative anger/disappointment of 7 years of under performing .

This is easily the most hopeful I have been since it was clear Moyes was a disaster a few months after he took over... Squad looks like its shaping up nicely.. no stupid buys.. Players coming through the ranks.. Scoring goals.. we had gone years without scoring 5 in a game.. we have done that nearly 10 times under Ole.


He is an easy target because he isnt a big name .. Jose and Van Gaal was rubbish.. Jose had a few good months.. and even that was largely while playing some tumescent football.

I am happy to wait and see how far Ole can take us in the right direction.. and if he hits a ceiling at some point, we can consider someone else.. But to demand instant success after years of garbage is absurd and unrealistic.
 

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I just worry Ole isn't up to par for challenging for league titles vs Pep and Klopp. Every time I start thinking he may be, we start slipping in results and performances badly.
This sounds exactly like the heralded Poch some fans haven’t a boner for.
I never wanted Ole as boss, as I knew exactly how an element of our fans react to dropping a few points or going out of a cup competition they look down upon.
 

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No manager should get a pass because he is a club legend.

My issue with the criticism is that I think a lot of it comes from the cumulative anger/disappointment of 7 years of under performing .

This is easily the most hopeful I have been since it was clear Moyes was a disaster a few months after he took over... Squad looks like its shaping up nicely.. no stupid buys.. Players coming through the ranks.. Scoring goals.. we had gone years without scoring 5 in a game.. we have done that nearly 10 times under Ole.


He is an easy target because he isnt a big name .. Jose and Van Gaal was rubbish.. Jose had a few good months.. and even that was largely while playing some tumescent football.

I am happy to wait and see how far Ole can take us in the right direction.. and if he hits a ceiling at some point, we can consider someone else.. But to demand instant success after years of garbage is absurd and unrealistic.
Agree with you on all points.

I also don't think he should get a pass. I just think it's a piss-take that whenever we have a bad result, everyone just starts slagging him off and completely discounting all of the good that he's done since his appointment.
 

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I don't think we've made that much progress for the season as a whole(considering how poor the league is).
About this.. We clearly wanted a midfielder in the summer.. Didn't get Bruno till the end of Jan. Sold Lukaku and let Sanchez go.. and didnt get a replacement... There were reports saying Ole didnt want anyone.. the only time I remember Ole talking about it in a press conference, he said he wanted a striker and we were looking. Ighalo joined in Jan only because Rashford got injured.

Pogba was out for almost the entire season. Matic was out for the first 2-3 months. Martial was out for 2 months around Oct. Shaw was out for over 90 days around the same time.

He had nothing to work with.. And its not making excuses.. he simply didn't have the players.. and instead of panic buying junk like we have been for years, we waited.. I take that as a positive.
 

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I'd love to do a study of the average age group of the idiots openly insulting Ole.

I grew up in the late 80s and 90s. I remember when he came in 96'. This was a player that deserved to start over the likes of Sherringham in my book. A super striker with a gift for finding space. But he never complained about his position. He never whined at Sir Alex. Didn't go to him and ask for a "year off with full pay" like Yorkie did. He served our club with undisputed honour. I would imagine older fans would remember those days of Ole coming off the bench. It was magical at times.

Criticise him for his errors. But when that crap starts targeting the way he looks et al, it boils my blood.

He's a proper club legend and deserves basic decency at all times.

There's a reason this banner exists FFS and it isn't just about that one goal.

 

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Stop being so sensitive. A Manchester United manager should be highly scrunitised. Ole is no different. People here pretend as if he is to United what Messi is to Barcelona. And even then the person should be critiqued as just another manager.
 

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How was Klopp faring when he joined Liverpool? How did Liverpool look 18 months into Klopp's tenure?

Pep is another case: He inherited a star studded team, with an open check book. It's completely unfair to compare any manager to Pep. Pep wasn't happy with his full backs? So I think they spent something stupid like 100-150m on full backs since Pep joined.
And this is why any discussion about our managers turns into a shit show.
 

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Stop being so sensitive. A Manchester United manager should be highly scrunitised. Ole is no different. People here pretend as if he is to United what Messi is to Barcelona. And even then the person should be critiqued as just another manager.
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Stop being so sensitive. A Manchester United manager should be highly scrunitised. Ole is no different. People here pretend as if he is to United what Messi is to Barcelona. And even then the person should be critiqued as just another manager.
Correct, but this issue isn't just exclusive to Ole though. Our fanbase just loves fellating managers - it's a cult syndrome. We've had threads like this about Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho too.
 

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I'd love to do a study of the average age group of the idiots openly insulting Ole.

I grew up in the late 80s and 90s. I remember when he came in 96'. This was a player that deserved to start over the likes of Sherringham in my book. A super striker with a gift for finding space. But he never complained about his position. He never whined at Sir Alex. Didn't go to him and ask for a "year off with full pay" like Yorkie did. He served our club with undisputed honour. I would imagine older fans would remember those days of Ole coming off the bench. It was magical at times.

Criticise him for his errors. But when that crap starts targeting the way he looks et al, it boils my blood.

He's a proper club legend and deserves basic decency at all times.

There's a reason this banner exists FFS and it isn't just about that one goal.

I'm one of the older guys. I remember us signing him. I had no idea who he was. It wasn't like it is nowadays, with Twitter. Facebook, SkySports news, and all this other bollocks. Ole was just some random player who showed up from Molde, who United fans hadn't really heard of, and most certainly wasn't a decorated signing.

Being an older supporter, seeing the constant criticism of Ole is what prompted me to make this thread. I remember Ole as a player, and loved him to bits. I still love him to bits, as a manager. He gives everything to this club, and always will. And I can bet you one fecking thing - if Ole feels like he's holding United back, he won't need sacking. He will walk himself. He's that kind of man.
 

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What exactly is this point of this thread? No one really needs to know you dislike criticism and no one is going to stop criticising the manager where they have such opinions. You're allowed to refute any you disagree with.

Any manager of this club knows the expected standards and Ole more than most. Things won't be all rosy in Carrington for sure so why should they be on here?
 

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Correct, but this issue isn't just exclusive to Ole though. Our fanbase just loves fellating managers - it's a cult syndrome. We've had threads like this about Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho too.
Exactly. In the other clubs the manager is to serve the club, at United , the club is to serve the manager.

Moyes took one of the biggest applause I have ever seen in football just a few weeks before he was sacked. United fans have this weird behavior of worshipping the manager. Everyone can be criticized, you can shit on players, but when it comes to the manager, hell no, saying bad words about him is absolute blasphemy. Worshipping the manager is like a high society status, a showing that you’re a better fan.

It is weird to be fair.
 

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Stop being so sensitive. A Manchester United manager should be highly scrunitised. Ole is no different. People here pretend as if he is to United what Messi is to Barcelona. And even then the person should be critiqued as just another manager.
He isn't like Messi to Barcelona? Sure, he's not the player that Messi is/was, but the commitment levels and dedication to their club are both undoubtedly of the same level - if not more.

It's not about scrutiny. It's about the band-wagon supporters jumping at any opportunity to have a pop at a club legend, when it's mostly unfounded. Are people completely fecking oblivious to all the positive things he's brought to the club? And the progress we've been making? Or does that just go ignored, every time we draw/lose a match?
 

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Stop being so sensitive. A Manchester United manager should be highly scrunitised. Ole is no different. People here pretend as if he is to United what Messi is to Barcelona. And even then the person should be critiqued as just another manager.
Three issue isn't about the critique though. Sometimes it's the choice of words. I've seen plenty of posts here that is just so void of objectivity and full of vile. It is indeed disheartening.

And so what that he isn't Messi to Barcelona? To many of us, he is more than that.
 

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Exactly. In the other clubs the manager is to serve the club, at United , the club is to serve the manager.

Moyes took one of the biggest applause I have ever seen in football just a few weeks before he was sacked. United fans have this weird behavior of worshipping the manager. Everyone can be criticized, you can shit on players, but when it comes to the manager, hell no, saying bad words about him is absolute blasphemy. Worshipping the manager is like a high society status, a showing that you’re a better fan.

It is weird to be fair.
Well our fanbase has a tendency to put a "Plastic fan" label on others pretty quick. That's what I've noticed. Worshipping our manager despite the result, while may sound weird, is one of the "Top Red" signs. It's neither good nor bad, just a distinct characteristic of our fanbase culture.
Absolutely not above criticism. I have no issue with the criticism, but the way that it's dished out is ridiculous at best.

The man isn't infallible, yet he certainly isn't a total failure, as some would have you believe.
To the OP, you are sick with the total lack of respect for our manager who is a legend. But I myself is also sick of the disrespect towards our old legend Roy Keane, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes... Our own fans tell them to "shut up" and have a weird dig about their managerial career when they dare to criticize any United players or managers, despite what they have contributed to this club.
 

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What exactly is this point of this thread? No one really needs to know you dislike criticism and no one is going to stop criticising the manager where they have such opinions. You're allowed to refute any you disagree with.

Any manager of this club knows the expected standards and Ole more than most. Things won't be all rosy in Carrington for sure so why should they be on here?
Because a good portion of the posters on RedCafe are overly entitled, and expect instant success - despite the absolute shit-show of a state the club was in when he took over. It's a process. A process that the entitled are impatient for.

You say "expected standards". What exactly are those standards relative to the position of the club when he took over? We were a fecking mid-table mess, showing zero signs of improvement, playing the worst football I've seen from a United side in 30 years, with zero identity. Can you say the club is in the same position now? No, you'd be a fecking liar if you tried.
 

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Stop being so sensitive. A Manchester United manager should be highly scrunitised. Ole is no different. People here pretend as if he is to United what Messi is to Barcelona. And even then the person should be critiqued as just another manager.
Any player and manager will always be highly criticized, it comes with the territory, especially at United. Ole knows this and says it all the time.

However, there is disrespect lobbed towards him and also a certain lack of support. Let's be real, this isn't a title winning team and that's what he will ultimately be judged against. He's being judged against Klopp and Pep. Title winning managers who have been in the job longer than Ole, who have been financially supported more than Ole, and whose clubs have identified, signed, and developed better players.

City is Pep's team through and through. Yet City have lost 9 times in 37 matches...United have lost 8 in 37 matches. Yet Ole has done a very good job of clearing out players and upgraded three positions in RB, CB, and creative midfielder/CAM that have been ignored by the club and previous managers for at least, at least five years. Liverpool signed Allison, VvD, Robertson, Fabinho, developed a class RB under Klopp...half of his starting XI. Ole has signed 3 players in his starting XI and is developing Rashford, Martial, and Greenwood.

So the point is, you can still be critical of Ole and any United manager, but so many of the criticisms are so uninformed and lack so much context that it's down right insulting and disrespectful.
 

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Exactly. In the other clubs the manager is to serve the club, at United , the club is to serve the manager.

Moyes took one of the biggest applause I have ever seen in football just a few weeks before he was sacked. United fans have this weird behavior of worshipping the manager. Everyone can be criticized, you can shit on players, but when it comes to the manager, hell no, saying bad words about him is absolute blasphemy. Worshipping the manager is like a high society status, a showing that you’re a better fan.

It is weird to be fair.
It's weird?

It's called supporting a club and showing a level of respect to a player/manager that has given his all to this club. I don't give a shit what you, or anyone else thinks - Through his actions, Ole deserves at least to be respected. Scrutiny and criticism of his level of management is fine, (and to be expected), but it's the unwarranted attacks that can honestly feck right off.

Like I said earlier: If Ole feels he isn't up to the job and can't offer anything more, he will be the first one to hold his hand up and vacate his desk. He won't need sacking. He loves the club too much.
 

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Actually, if this was a normal year in terms of the other top 6 teams actually performing, we’d be exactly where we were. We have the same amount of points we did in the season under Moyes, yet we finished 7th then. Could finish 3rd this year.
If's and but's. Way too many variables to make that blanket statement.
 

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He isn't like Messi to Barcelona? Sure, he's not the player that Messi is/was, but the commitment levels and dedication to their club are both undoubdedly of the same level - if not more.?
And? Had he been half as good as Messi he'd be the legend some here portray him as. He isn't. This isn't a player synonymous with the club. Sometimes I feel like I'm reading about Sir Alex Ferguson here in how much here and not a great squad player who 'got' the club completely. So yes, quality does matter in one's importance and standing.

Also, did United give Ole nothing back or was he doing us a favour all throughout? It's a two way street. He was treated to some wonderful times at the club and he gave a lot to it. Again people make it seems as though it was a one sided relationship.

It's not about scrutiny. It's about the band-wagon supporters jumping at any opportunity to have a pop at a club legend, when it's mostly unfounded. Are people completely fecking oblivious to all the positive things he's brought to the club? And the progress we've been making? Or does that just go ignored, every time we draw/lose a match?
And did LVG and Mourinho not get that scruiny? Did SAF not get it in his early years? How does someone in arguably the biggest managerial position in club football, not get analysed, reviewed, scrutinised and questioned all the time? Do you realise how stupid that expectation sounds? If you want less cricism manage a club with low expectations FFS. And again, I'll repeat - fans don't care about the legend part. He's here to manage Manchester United and compete with the likes of Pep Guardiola and Jürgen Klopp. Expectations are bloody high and rightfully so.
 

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It's weird?

It's called supporting a club and showing a level of respect to a player/manager that has given his all to this club. I don't give a shit what you, or anyone else thinks - Through his actions, Ole deserves at least to be respected. Scrutiny and criticism of his level of management is fine, (and to be expected), but it's the unwarranted attacks that can honestly feck right off.

Like I said earlier: If Ole feels he isn't up to the job and can't offer anything more, he will be the first one to hold his hand up and vacate his desk. He won't need sacking. He loves the club too much.
Then you shouldn't have joined a forum. Would have been better off sitting in your room enjoying your echo chamber.
 

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Oh please stop with that pathetic "club legend" stuff. Ole was a legend as a player, that has zero bearing on with his managerial efforts. Everyone cringed when Giggs, arguably even more of a legend, was in contention for the job, yet how does anyone dare critizising Ole.

And yes, every bad performance resurfaces the doubts and fears some had since he was appointed, namely that he isn't a very good manager. That doesn't necessarily make people "entitled", much like it doesn't make you "deluded" for seeing things differently.

I am still in the former camp and recent performances just suggest that Ole is not the genius some see in him. Our current starting 11 is just objectively our 11 best players in each position, it doesn't take an expert to see this. And I blame Ole for not being able to get a tune out of/trusting the lesser players in the squad, as this directly results in overplaying our starting 11, leaving them knackered in the process. It's the same as last season really.

The point is, it should not be necessary to have 5 top class attackers on at all times to get results against the likes of West Ham or Aston Villa. If it were, how do clubs bar Liverpool and City even manage to get wins in the league? Even Liverpool won the CL and PL with a midfield of limited grafters and a striker that doesn't score goals, for crying out loud.

Yet due to no coherent attacking system that would allow our squad players to contribute, we are forced to play our best players in every game, limiting rotation and ultimately lowering our overall quality. And Ole deserves to be critizised for that, even if it makes some fans feel stepped on their toes.

But I guess it's easier blaming it all on the squad players, who are mostly prem proven btw and imo should be able to do a job against relegation threatened sides at leasr. I mean, we had the easiest run-in of all teams and Ole still deemed it necessary to always play his best team. Sending a message or something like that. Just solve all our problems in the transfer market, that worked out soo well in the past.
 

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Any player and manager will always be highly criticized, it comes with the territory, especially at United. Ole knows this and says it all the time.

However, there is disrespect lobbed towards him and also a certain lack of support. Let's be real, this isn't a title winning team and that's what he will ultimately be judged against. He's being judged against Klopp and Pep. Title winning managers who have been in the job longer than Ole, who have been financially supported more than Ole, and whose clubs have identified, signed, and developed better players.

City is Pep's team through and through. Yet City have lost 9 times in 37 matches...United have lost 8 in 37 matches. Yet Ole has done a very good job of clearing out players and upgraded three positions in RB, CB, and creative midfielder/CAM that have been ignored by the club and previous managers for at least, at least five years. Liverpool signed Allison, VvD, Robertson, Fabinho, developed a class RB under Klopp...half of his starting XI. Ole has signed 3 players in his starting XI and is developing Rashford, Martial, and Greenwood.

So the point is, you can still be critical of Ole and any United manager, but so many of the criticisms are so uninformed and lack so much context that it's down right insulting and disrespectful.
I mean, the world is full of ill informed opinions and disrespect. How is this exclusive to Ole and worth discussing? There would be as many loons blindly supporting him and praising him for feck all. See how many clowns we see in one sitting on Twitter.

All of comes across as very "leave Brittney alone!!!".
 

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Three issue isn't about the critique though. Sometimes it's the choice of words. I've seen plenty of posts here that is just so void of objectivity and full of vile. It is indeed disheartening.

And so what that he isn't Messi to Barcelona? To many of us, he is more than that.
And to most, he is miles lesser than that.

You've seen such posts of any given topic. In fact what topic have you seen without such discourse? I'd like to know where you people debate where everything is rational. Or is it when it has to do with someone you're fond off when society needs to change?
 

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Exactly. In the other clubs the manager is to serve the club, at United , the club is to serve the manager.

Moyes took one of the biggest applause I have ever seen in football just a few weeks before he was sacked. United fans have this weird behavior of worshipping the manager. Everyone can be criticized, you can shit on players, but when it comes to the manager, hell no, saying bad words about him is absolute blasphemy. Worshipping the manager is like a high society status, a showing that you’re a better fan.

It is weird to be fair.
Bingo. We are the opposite spectrum of Real Madrid but just as warped. Difference is theirs leaves a bad taste in the mouth but maintains standards whereas ours wants no standards but wins but makes us feel good about ourselves.
 

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I'm one of the older guys. I remember us signing him. I had no idea who he was. It wasn't like it is nowadays, with Twitter. Facebook, SkySports news, and all this other bollocks. Ole was just some random player who showed up from Molde, who United fans hadn't really heard of, and most certainly wasn't a decorated signing.

Being an older supporter, seeing the constant criticism of Ole is what prompted me to make this thread. I remember Ole as a player, and loved him to bits. I still love him to bits, as a manager. He gives everything to this club, and always will. And I can bet you one fecking thing - if Ole feels like he's holding United back, he won't need sacking. He will walk himself. He's that kind of man.
No one did. Everyone including United coaches expected Ole to be a fringe player for a year or two until he adapted to the EPL. It turned out that he was an instant hit. Let me tell you this. If Cantona remained at United for a year or two then Ole would have been our first teamer ahead of Cole. The French man absolutely loved playing with him upfront.

We signed Ronnie Johnsen as well in that year, whose, in my opinion, is Sir Alex's most underrated signing. If you ask me, the guy was the best CB Sir Alex had outside the top 3 (Stam, Vidic, Rio). What a steal. Its a shame that injuries cut his career short as his partnership with Stam was magical.

Our scouting team back then was lethal. Then the circus started with Sir Alex appointing his own brother as chief scout despite the many many mistakes he made (Taibi, Silvestre and Anderson) as scout.
 
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OP makes it sound as if Ole is doing it for free out of charity. Firstly, He is a professional and seconly a very lucky one at that. He got to manage one of the biggest clubs in the world just on the back of his playing days here.
Nobody should be above criticism and even more so when somebody is getting paid millions to do a job which they got by sheer luck and past connections, and definitely not because of their credentials.
 

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It's weird?

It's called supporting a club and showing a level of respect to a player/manager that has given his all to this club. I don't give a shit what you, or anyone else thinks - Through his actions, Ole deserves at least to be respected. Scrutiny and criticism of his level of management is fine, (and to be expected), but it's the unwarranted attacks that can honestly feck right off.

Like I said earlier: If Ole feels he isn't up to the job and can't offer anything more, he will be the first one to hold his hand up and vacate his desk. He won't need sacking. He loves the club too much.
In all honesty, writing posts in a forum won’t have any effect at United and Ole, so calling this support is a bit too rich.

You probably are also in the wrong forum. Once, the post of the year was called God’s a cnut. So yeah, in a forum that shits in all types of Gods, some are gonna shit on your God too. Shit happens, you have to deal with it.
 

Andi Latte

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However, there is disrespect lobbed towards him and also a certain lack of support. Let's be real, this isn't a title winning team and that's what he will ultimately be judged against. He's being judged against Klopp and Pep. Title winning managers who have been in the job longer than Ole, who have been financially supported more than Ole, and whose clubs have identified, signed, and developed better players.
Come on, Ole got to spend 200m already, should we get Sancho you can add 100m on top of that. Thats 300m in one and a half season, don't pretend he's operating on a shoestring
 

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I'm one of the older guys. I remember us signing him. I had no idea who he was. It wasn't like it is nowadays, with Twitter. Facebook, SkySports news, and all this other bollocks. Ole was just some random player who showed up from Molde, who United fans hadn't really heard of, and most certainly wasn't a decorated signing.

Being an older supporter, seeing the constant criticism of Ole is what prompted me to make this thread. I remember Ole as a player, and loved him to bits. I still love him to bits, as a manager. He gives everything to this club, and always will. And I can bet you one fecking thing - if Ole feels like he's holding United back, he won't need sacking. He will walk himself. He's that kind of man.
Agreed.

And well said OP. Tbh I did have doubt in him at the start of the season. But not the now. What he has done has surpassed my expectation. And he has done a lot of good things.

I'm fine with criticisms. I have some against him as well, still. No one is perfect. But some here just lost their mind and common sense going against him. It's just impossible to have any sort of fair and meaningful conversation with those guys. If their argument is wrong or factless they just play dumb or try to drive the conversation away. They refuse to acknowledge any good thing Ole has done and came up with dumb and dumber, weird and weirder arguments against him.

Tbh, just ignore those guys I think. Arguing with them won't enrich any of your knowledge rather than seeing how stupid, obsessed, weird and shameless some people can be. It's simply a waste of time.
 

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We signed Ronnie Johnsen as well in that year, whose, in my opinion, is Sir Alex's most underrated signing. If you ask me, the guy was the best CB Sir Alex had outside the top 3 (Stam, Vidic, Rio). What a steal. Its a shame that injuries cut his career short as his partnership with Stam was magical.

Our scouting team back then was lethal. Then the circus started with Sir Alex appointing his own brother as chief scout despite the many many mistakes he made (Taibi, Silvestre and Anderson).
Wasn’t Anderson one of the biggest talents at that point? Unfortunately he was a #10 but we tried to shoe him into central midfield.