If LVG & Jose ‘failed’ after winning cups & higher league placings & more points then Ole definitely has failed & should obviously be sacked- your words not mine
Total lack of respect for an absolute club legend (another Ole thread)
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They have failed to manage expectations at the club...any team team can win trophies mate, with a bit of luck.
A lot of people who are against him tend to be the type of fans who if we're born 20 years later than they were would be Chelsea or City fans.
In early January I thought he was a goner and out of his depth I will admit but never once would I have blamed this situation on him. He came in and inherited an absolute shambles of a club. We haven't won anything under him yet but I think he deserves some credit for steadying the ship at the very least. He's going to leave the job, whenever that may be, in better shape than when he took it on.
In early January I thought he was a goner and out of his depth I will admit but never once would I have blamed this situation on him. He came in and inherited an absolute shambles of a club. We haven't won anything under him yet but I think he deserves some credit for steadying the ship at the very least. He's going to leave the job, whenever that may be, in better shape than when he took it on.
Madrid fans also get on their managers back too. So why is there such a disconnect between the treatment of players and managers at this club?
I initially thought that this thread is going to be about De Gea.
Anyways, I genuinely feel that Ole the player (legend) should have no bearing on critiquing Ole the manager. Some of the criticism has been quite over the top. There are many ways to defend Ole because there have been many positives to counter the various negatives across our season. But using his legendary player status isn't one of them. No matter how well or poorly we perform, his legend status he's earned as a player would remain untouched.
Anyways, I genuinely feel that Ole the player (legend) should have no bearing on critiquing Ole the manager. Some of the criticism has been quite over the top. There are many ways to defend Ole because there have been many positives to counter the various negatives across our season. But using his legendary player status isn't one of them. No matter how well or poorly we perform, his legend status he's earned as a player would remain untouched.
Bojan is a funny guy. He wants the legend status so bad that he just took it
On this thread; it’s fine to have positive and negative opinions on Ole. The witch-hunt we are seeing are not okay imo.
I really enjoy seeing us play now. We have a good process now and we are making progress.
Ok so trophies & winning things is just luck. Interesting.
We have no expectations now, as you’ve just alluded to- trophies are just luck to you. So Ole may as well stay forever winning nothing because he’s an ex player?
We have no expectations anymore at this club- scraping top 4 with a very low points total seems to be the level of our ‘expectations’ now .
I’m not asking to win it all, all I want which is the same for every club is to be the best they can be.
And we can be so much better with a decent manager
Not sure about that, Paddy Crerand had his own show for yonks, Denis Irwin, Wes Brown, Sammy McIlroy, Arthur Albiston et al are on often enough, just sometimes when matches are rearranged they have to bring somebody reasonably local in at short-notice if other lads have prior arrangements.
He’s got all his players now and we still look clueless. Why is that?
Because they are all tired.
This is the best response yet. But at the end of the day it's a forum to express views on a common and shared interest. You are going to get objectivity for the most part interspersed with hysterical rants where fans have lost all semblance of objectivity
He came here to help?
. Well to quote you; i am sick of that. He had a choice to coach Molde or biggest club in the world for 10 times more money. And we should be grateful to him? We to him??!! We gave him jackpot in managers world and we should be grateful to him?! Bloody hell.Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is a club legend as a player. And by that he, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer as a player and person deserves respect. Which he has. No fan (except few i guess) never abused him on any way. Never.
He did gave a lot to this club but the fact is that this club gave a lot more to him. Not just in terms of titles and money. Last two, 2 and a half years he was injured but still club was there for him. After that club gave him job in youth team and....now comes my biggest problem, he became manager of one of biggest clubs in the world only because of nepotism. Molde manager and failed Cardiff manager got dream job. Which he didn't deserve. Man Utd manager must deserve that job. He didn't.
So, as i said, he is a club legend but he used that to get this job which he doesn't deserve. And is doing a bad job in it but still is refusing to leave because he knows that his next stop is Norway or Championship.
So yeah, he was our former player (good player) but he is really collecting all benefits from it. More than any other our legend. And i don't know why he should be protected more than LVG, Jose or Moyes.
Edit: "he could have gone to Spurs but he stayed because he loves the club". Best part of your post. He picked titles instead Spurs. Poor guy, what a sacrifice he made.
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So if he had the City and Liverpool job in its current state. Those clubs would be okay? I’d be more included to think if he was in charge they would be catchable. Just an honest opinion too.
I haven't seen masses of this lately, but I imagine I'm just missing it in most of the threads I've read.
On one hand, I can understand the thought that perhaps he isn't the man to take us to a title. He's still learning in the job at the biggest club in the world and a lot of our fans believe we have a divine right to win the title or at least challenge for it every year (spoiler: we don't. shut up). It's very possible and maybe even somewhat likely that we don't win the title with Ole here, but I think you're a fool if you can't see that we are headed in the right direction. The recruitment is not only the best it has been post-Sir Alex, but probably better than a lot of Sir Alex's years too! One difference is we just don't have the squad to cope with game after game and while I think Ole has noticeably improved the overall fitness (look at the running totals compared to the previous managers) we don't have the players to come in and do the job of say Bruno or the front three. I think that could come with even more fitness boosting mind, as Liverpool seem to get 50+ games out of their front three without as much drop off. That's something I think will come, so give it another season. The likeability of the team is there again which is something Gary Nev has said a few times, the football is improving. It's the most exciting we have been since Sir Alex again, bar maybe the start of that season under Jose where we looked unstoppable (but that faded faster than the beginning of Ole's tenure.
For me this is all about direction and I didn't really expect Ole to get anywhere close to achieving much until the end of next season. It's actually moving faster than I thought really. I'm happy with the job he is doing and even if he doesn't manage to improve as a manager and take us to the next level after this one, I fully believe he would have played a massive part in making it considerably easier for the next guy. He has my respect and while I'll criticise some of his mistakes, I don't think I'll cross the line and nor should others. I just hope that if it came to it and it was clearly him holding things back because he isn't a good enough coach (just an example), I'd hope that he has the strength to say "Okay, I need to walk away because I can't do any better than this". I'd rather it came to that than a lengthy run of horrible results and him being sacked.
On one hand, I can understand the thought that perhaps he isn't the man to take us to a title. He's still learning in the job at the biggest club in the world and a lot of our fans believe we have a divine right to win the title or at least challenge for it every year (spoiler: we don't. shut up). It's very possible and maybe even somewhat likely that we don't win the title with Ole here, but I think you're a fool if you can't see that we are headed in the right direction. The recruitment is not only the best it has been post-Sir Alex, but probably better than a lot of Sir Alex's years too! One difference is we just don't have the squad to cope with game after game and while I think Ole has noticeably improved the overall fitness (look at the running totals compared to the previous managers) we don't have the players to come in and do the job of say Bruno or the front three. I think that could come with even more fitness boosting mind, as Liverpool seem to get 50+ games out of their front three without as much drop off. That's something I think will come, so give it another season. The likeability of the team is there again which is something Gary Nev has said a few times, the football is improving. It's the most exciting we have been since Sir Alex again, bar maybe the start of that season under Jose where we looked unstoppable (but that faded faster than the beginning of Ole's tenure.
For me this is all about direction and I didn't really expect Ole to get anywhere close to achieving much until the end of next season. It's actually moving faster than I thought really. I'm happy with the job he is doing and even if he doesn't manage to improve as a manager and take us to the next level after this one, I fully believe he would have played a massive part in making it considerably easier for the next guy. He has my respect and while I'll criticise some of his mistakes, I don't think I'll cross the line and nor should others. I just hope that if it came to it and it was clearly him holding things back because he isn't a good enough coach (just an example), I'd hope that he has the strength to say "Okay, I need to walk away because I can't do any better than this". I'd rather it came to that than a lengthy run of horrible results and him being sacked.
Are you complaining about our form or results since the end of Jan?
Shock horror... our current RedCafe fan base has an average age of 20-30?
That’s a very simplistic view and the truth is probably the majority of the fans on here never saw United in the 80’s life. So the majority don’t have that experience or those expectations. I think it’s more of nostalgia for most to be able to say they supported the club in dark times.
The problem with some guys is that they expect people to write some sort of elogy before criticising which is silly. If Ole makes a mistake then we should be able to say so without the need to remind everyone about his football career etc
The disrespect shown towards Ole and some of the players are just too much sometimes. Criticism is one thing but where do we draw the line when the criticisms start to turn into outright abuses? Earlier this season we had 'fans' here going on with their 'Rashford' and PE teacher insults and i think that was really unacceptable. And i still havent mentioned abuses that Lingard, Jones and Pogba suffered.
Some vocal minorities here can go on and type 2 pages full of fachts and nitpicked stats to disparage Ole but everyone knows he wont be sacked this season after the improvements (whether they choose to see the improvements or not is another question ) made to the team as a whole. It doesn't matter how loud some of us can screech about wanting Ole out because at the end of the day fans do not get make the decisions.
Some vocal minorities here can go on and type 2 pages full of fachts and nitpicked stats to disparage Ole but everyone knows he wont be sacked this season after the improvements (whether they choose to see the improvements or not is another question ) made to the team as a whole. It doesn't matter how loud some of us can screech about wanting Ole out because at the end of the day fans do not get make the decisions.
Im asking why is it always 1000 excuses with Ole. Just judge his managerial performance we don’t need to know about his trials and tribulations. Every manager has them.
Poor lads. So are they the only players in the league who are tired? Yet against 2 years in a row.
That’s not how football works though is it. Points totals across years irrelevant. You could argue the Moyes seasons the rest of the league was weaker and so we’d have picked up more points. You could argue Ole with a title winning team inherited from Fergie would have got more points than Moyes.
Have you seen everybody else’s results? Since lockdown everybody has struggled.
It's not what you said at all. You said we look clueless after he got his players, which is absolutely not the case. You're just backtracking on you silly claims because you know its complete bs.
We have the highest points in the league since the restart. What the feck are you complaining about?
You clearly have your mind made up.. doesnt matter what the facts are.. you'll still complain
I don’t necessarily think it is 1000 excuses for Ole. Mourinho etc got defended too. I think people are just more willing to give him time because there is enough good things happening at the club even if results haven’t massively improved in the league.
3rd in the league
League cup semi final
Fa cup semi final
Europa league quarter final and maybe better
That doesn’t look too shabby for a team who were 6th last season.
Not to mention there are players at the club who have had genuinely good seasons which just hasn’t been happening. Young players in Greenwood and Williams coming through. Massive improvements to Fred, McTominay, Martial, Rashford and Shaw.
By all means criticise Ole but just leave out the personal remarks.
And you’ll still support Ole no matter what.
Getting humiliated in a game cup semi- no worries it’s Ole.
Lowest points total for years - no worries it’s Ole.
Poor in game management & tactical nous - no worries it’s Ole
Persisting with DDG- No worries it’s Ole
If we lose to Leicester & mess you easiest top 4 attempt in history - no worries it’s Ole
Because they are tired? West Ham didn’t look tired. Chelsea who we played on Sunday was full of energy on Wednesday. Why?
Some have their opinion from the day one and won't change it. While I get some are worried about his tenure generally and for the future they will never, on the other hand, say anything positive about him. I wont even mention the nicknames which are embarrassing.
Suddenly we are again 'clueless' since the last few games. While we were on a run players played by themselves I guess, now we slowed down it's all down to Ole and his cluelessness...
Suddenly we are again 'clueless' since the last few games. While we were on a run players played by themselves I guess, now we slowed down it's all down to Ole and his cluelessness...
You see I don’t mind people seeing the positives. I can see the positives. It’s just the lack of fare threatment because of who he is. It’s also the reason why a lot of people didn’t want Giggs in charge. Only difference is Ole to the fans is a more likeable guy than Giggs so it’s even worse.
But as you mentioned he has done all them things. He’s also doing a lot of things wrong which a top level manager wouldn’t do. It’s fare less risky to get a top level manager than to expect Ole to improve.
Yep I'm also sick of the people on here criticising him for single isolated mistakes. No single manager, successful or not, has been perfect. But the imbecilic, moronic post 93 fan village idiots on here who flail around, squealing like stuck pigs, having nervous breakdowns and pissing their pants whilst blubbing about Ole out are an embarrassment to the club and should basically go and support their local club across the other side of the world and stop adding to the pressure on him.
Since when has clueless been a naughty word?
Who said it's a naughty word. It's just a word used to criticize Ole to prove he knows nothing and he's such a nice guy smiling there on the bench.
So much things wrong with this post I don’t know where to start. Those who back Ole aswell I hope they have the decency not to back your post. It’s disgusting.
So what’s wrong with the word then? It’s explains exactly what you said it should.
In theory I agree with you but that point is misplaced when we are talkinga about 7 seasons without a title challenge. We reached a point where we are not talking about a divine right to challenge for it every year but just challenge for it one or twice in a decade.
Also this season we were twelth in terms of distance covered before the break. We were 5th in 2015/2016 and iirc in the same area in 2014/2015, it's Mourinho that put us at the bottom of the league in that department.
Just ignore them guys.
Read the post again and come back.
You are an utter embarrassment I’m afraid. Can’t take any valid criticism of Ole and go on some infantile rant.
Well done
Where do i start with this?
Firstly, to win trophies you need a BIT of luck. Hope we can put to bed now.
Expectations are created with the investments made by club, both from a player and manager point of view. When you hire a manager like Mourinho, you expect to win titles. It's all he's ever done before he arrived at Utd. He has never built a team using the very basic club philosophies of a club like Utd - example using youth players. He also has never shown that he can work well with most young players. Judging from his personality, he doesn't look like the person who has the patience to work with young players let alone have the patience to build a sustainable team blending youth, experience and world class talent. Basically Mourinho wants a ready made starting eleven filled with experience and a good measure of talent to play out his game plan. If he doesn't have that, he throws everyone under the bus. This has been proven countless times.
We all want the best for Utd, we want to get back to the very top. Agree? The dispute is in the journey to get there. This club has never been a club that supports the Mourinho way. His is quick and dirty and start again. Sustainability is what's its all about and the way to do that is to build a team and not buy every new shiny toy that we see.
LVG bought miserably. Only good player was a young lad from Marseilles. Mourinho almost destroyed said young player. Mourinho also bought garbage. Only player worth talking of is a UTD youth team player who came good.
Our expectations when Ole arrived was not to win the title, we all knew that he couldn't do it. He had to rebuild the atmosphere in the dressing room. Get rid of the crappy signings previous managers brought in. Needed to change the mentality of some of our most talented players and make them believe we could play a certain style of football and still get results. He also had to address some of our weaknesses and bring in the right caliber of player, not to mention address the constant notion of us getting in a technical director to facilitate proper purchases. He's blown that myth out the water.
To be the best, you have to be true to yourself. With the right backing, the right mentality, the right approach, things will fall into place. If not, the club is in a far better position now than before Ole arrived and that should be a good base if Ole's position is vacated.
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It is quite interesting how fans have made their minds up on Ole. Ofcourse he isn't a Klopp or a Pep, yet he gets compared to them for some reason in some instances.
Do I think Ole is the man to take us to the title? I dont know. Maybe he is maybe he isnt, but I am willing to give him till December before I make my mind up.
I have seen alot of fans blame him for every negative result we get, but never credit him for positive results?
A draw or loss - Crap tactics, naive manager, doesnt know what he is doing
A win - We have better players, when they play together they can win.
Every manager needs top players to win titles.
Ole has had a rough hand dealt to him with all the injuries, lack of form and crap squad he inherited.
I have seen calls for Poch - I am a massive fan of Poch but will he win us the title? I dont know, so he is no better than having Ole at the moment. Does Poch have the winning mentality? No. He has bottled the league in the past too.
Do I think Ole is the man to take us to the title? I dont know. Maybe he is maybe he isnt, but I am willing to give him till December before I make my mind up.
I have seen alot of fans blame him for every negative result we get, but never credit him for positive results?
A draw or loss - Crap tactics, naive manager, doesnt know what he is doing
A win - We have better players, when they play together they can win.
Every manager needs top players to win titles.
Ole has had a rough hand dealt to him with all the injuries, lack of form and crap squad he inherited.
I have seen calls for Poch - I am a massive fan of Poch but will he win us the title? I dont know, so he is no better than having Ole at the moment. Does Poch have the winning mentality? No. He has bottled the league in the past too.
West Ham didnt play FA-cup, Chelsea had 2 extra days of rest before Sunday.
Not so many teams had FA cup in between, not so many teams needed to go full throttle to make up a huge points and goal difference gap.
We've played some fantastic football and got some really good results, for Ole and the players to suddenly go "clueless" is there any other reason you can think of then fatigue?
You think they all suddenly got a knock on their heads or something?