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Total lack of respect for an absolute club legend (another Ole thread)
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Does that need stating? My point isn't the viewpoint but the validity of the subjects. Just because someone disagrees doesn't make those subjects unwelcome, it invites debate.
To add a point, I was in Ole out brigade. Certainly in full force at the end of last season where we got dumped by two relegation fodders. However he turned it around and I believe based on the results he deserve a chance. Ole is a victim of fans wanting a shining brand name manager. Look how that turned out last time eh.
No, I just support Manchester United football club for 42 years, and I have reverence for our legends. I've been there when we were shit, then when we were good, and now while we're average but improving.
You're, what? 14? 15 at best? I mean, I make that educated guess based on the quality of your posts.
Try supporting the club and team, rather than just blindly jumping into to criticise when everything isn't rosy, as that's clearly all you've ever known Manchester United to be. A trophy vacuum.
Mate, in the age of google this is really easy to verify. Van Gaal was here for two seasons, we beat Liverpool 2-1 and 1-0 at Anfield in those seasons.
We did beat them 3-0 at Old Trafford in 2015, though that scoreline flattered us massively - that was the game when De Gea basically destroyed Sterling's confidence.
Well whatever we beat Liverpool twice at Anfield and beat them 3-0 at home. Doesn’t really detract from my point that we definitely dominated them at Anfield & smashed them at home does it?
Our wins against top teams have been plucky defensive underdog victories which is a bit sad
Fair enough, probably just had enough of reading “ole is clueless he should have done this he should have done that” with such conviction by people who have probably never even kicked a competitive ball
Apologies for involving your post in that.
40 and I care not one bit if some guy/gal on tinernet says some bad words about a club legend. I know neither person personally. The internet is full of knobs, daft opinions and anger, only an absolute moron would think he/she could police it and let it “bother” them.
You sound highly strung.
I kinda agree with that, as this has been one of those pet peeves of mine for a long time, even going back to SAF. I'm still a little bit sore about how we didn't even attempt to take on Barcelona in 2008 when they were a shambles (and yet inexplicably went toe-to-toe with them in Rome a year later when they were in their absolute pomp). In the last 20 years, the only time we genuinely outplayed Liverpool at Anfield was the Juanfield game under Van Gaal; as a fanbase, we kind of take it for granted now that against the top teams, we sit back, soak up the pressure, and hit them on the counter. If it works, it works, sure, but even in the last days of Fergie I thought we should be a bit more ambitious than that.
Absolutely spot on. No manager is perfect, but Ole is trying to do his best and a lot of what he is doing appears to be working.
What’s funny about that?
You having a mare posting in here and then after you repeatedly get picked up on it, it’s just a well whatever
Ole being legend has absolutely merit to his managerial capacity so long as he is allowing the team to progress that's all that matters. I've seen match day threads the comments and criticism is nowhere near as bad as it was earlier in the season. I too think the OP is just being sensitive to the particular issue of feedback from the fans. The real justification is I doubt many if any would say all these things directly to Solskjaer face to face as he's a good character. Most of it is just reactionary bias, get some perspective it's a football forum.
How’s it a mare..? I literally just pointed out we’ve not once dominated a top team since LVG against Liverpool..
All our victories against top teams are like a League 1 side away against a prem team - which you can’t refute as you didn’t even acknowledge it in your ‘funny’ reply
Thought this thread would be about Jude Bellingham
Yeah for me, he has been the best manager post Fergie, in terms of football. Moyes, LVG and Jose all played different forms of terrible football.
Looking at Rashford, Martial and Greenwood link up and play has been a joy to watch.
But yes, obviously, he has loads to improve, particularly with the subs and squad rotation. I would definitely not call him a top class manager, but that can change who knows. If he can make it to top 4, I have absolutely no problem with letting him build his squad.
Looking at Rashford, Martial and Greenwood link up and play has been a joy to watch.
But yes, obviously, he has loads to improve, particularly with the subs and squad rotation. I would definitely not call him a top class manager, but that can change who knows. If he can make it to top 4, I have absolutely no problem with letting him build his squad.
So a defensive tactic is "like a League 1 side"? I counter and say it's like Atletico Madrid when they won the league.
This is a discussion forum.
Much the same as people slagging off Ole, I'm here supporting him. People can opine however they like - just like I can provide balance to the negativity, (if I so choose to), also.
Edit. @Rafaeldagold sorry, didn’t quite your post
You’re arguing about our past results and smashing Liverpool away from home 3-0 when it never happened.
It’s clear to see you don’t want Ole here and disagree we’re moving forward. That’s fair enough but you don’t half talk some shit to go with it
You’re arguing about our past results and smashing Liverpool away from home 3-0 when it never happened.
It’s clear to see you don’t want Ole here and disagree we’re moving forward. That’s fair enough but you don’t half talk some shit to go with it
On Ole specifically it’s the personal insults I don’t like. I think there are valid question marks over whether he’s a good enough manager/coach for a top club and to be perfectly honest our form from March until January would have got him sacked at most clubs in the league let alone one of the biggest in the world but calling him names and stuff is bang out of line. He clearly loves the club and wants to do everything he can to get us back to where we belong. Whether he’s good enough I don’t know. However, we’re one result way from having a good season and since January and Bruno we’ve clearly improved.
Most of our legends get treated with total disrespect on here though. It isn’t unique to Ole. There are a not insignificant minority of posters who seemingly despise Keane, Neville and Giggs too. And they don’t particularly like any of our current players either, and they’re definitely not fans of “the United way”. It’s all a bit odd, I don’t know what they actually support about the club.
Most of our legends get treated with total disrespect on here though. It isn’t unique to Ole. There are a not insignificant minority of posters who seemingly despise Keane, Neville and Giggs too. And they don’t particularly like any of our current players either, and they’re definitely not fans of “the United way”. It’s all a bit odd, I don’t know what they actually support about the club.
Does it really matter if we smashed Liverpool 3-0 at home or away? We also definitely did dominate them totally at Anfield.
So not sure why you think that makes the point invalid
The trophies. That's what they're accustomed to, and likely, why they supported United in the first place. Had they been born a few years down the track, they'd likely be supporting Chelsea or Man City.
Now the trophies have dried up, they don't know what to do anymore, so play the blame game.
You’re choosing to try and police opinions on the internet.
More than 50% of opinions on here are in favour of Ole, a large amount more than that are hugely respectful even if they criticize.
A small minority is an angry bunch that gets personal, yet for some reason you’re allowing the small minority to hurt your feelings. It’s odd, you know neither the poster nor Ole.
As I say, stop being a mard about it.
It does make a slight difference to be honest, it just goes along with your continued hyperbole such as us playing like a league 1 team
I do find it really weird.
The ridiculous Pochettino obsession seemed to fuel a lot of the hatred for Ole and I'm glad that's at least died down somewhat, but it's almost like some people are really bitter that Ole is our manager and not someone else. As if they went to the same job interview and Woodward ignored them because Ole was his mate. It's bizarre.
I think he's done plenty that you can criticise him for. He's clearly quite naive...but I also think he's done a lot to be positive about. He's generally trusted the right players and for the first time we have a situation where even if we did change manager, something concrete has been left for the new one to build on. That's an indication in itself that Ole is not doing that terrible a job. 3rd place and some decent cup runs was realistically the best to hope for this season and it's actually still possible...although in fairness so is the entire season being a complete waste.
Also there is a difference between criticising the manager or a player, and just attacking and insulting them, and invariably this forum just goes straight in for the later. I understand it during or immediately after a game because I'm the same...but you have people doing it 3 days later. Generally you have a rant and then calm down. If you're still seething with rage half a week on you should probably get therapy.
The ridiculous Pochettino obsession seemed to fuel a lot of the hatred for Ole and I'm glad that's at least died down somewhat, but it's almost like some people are really bitter that Ole is our manager and not someone else. As if they went to the same job interview and Woodward ignored them because Ole was his mate. It's bizarre.
I think he's done plenty that you can criticise him for. He's clearly quite naive...but I also think he's done a lot to be positive about. He's generally trusted the right players and for the first time we have a situation where even if we did change manager, something concrete has been left for the new one to build on. That's an indication in itself that Ole is not doing that terrible a job. 3rd place and some decent cup runs was realistically the best to hope for this season and it's actually still possible...although in fairness so is the entire season being a complete waste.
Also there is a difference between criticising the manager or a player, and just attacking and insulting them, and invariably this forum just goes straight in for the later. I understand it during or immediately after a game because I'm the same...but you have people doing it 3 days later. Generally you have a rant and then calm down. If you're still seething with rage half a week on you should probably get therapy.
It’s not hyperbole. We defended for our lives & gave control to the opposing team.
Like a League 1 team would do in a cup match against a Prem side
Many sides go away to other top sides and dominate?
LVG did at Anfield. And others at least have periods of control, not outright giving total control to the opposition
We dominated City at the Etihad for 60 odd minutes this season. Should have been 4 up.
Carragher said it was the best ever performance he had seen v a Pep side.
It goes both ways.
A few can't stand Ole when we're losing in crucial moments to the point that they resorted to personal attacks. These posters are the loudest when we're losing.
A few can't stand Ole getting criticized, they used 'personal attacks' as a point to proof and generalize it to all posters who criticized Ole based on his tactical decisions. These posters are the loudest when we're winning.
It's almost impossible to have a reasonable debate on Ole thread. You type something and get attacked almost instantly. You dare to criticize Ole when we're winning? you're an idiot. You dare to praise Ole when we're losing? you're an idiot.
And people said Jose divided our fanbase. I think this is just as tiresome as when Jose's still the manager. By the end of the day, these posters take criticisms toward something they believe in or like personally. And that's bad because the Ole in are waiting for us to win so they can gloat on RedCafe while the Ole out are waiting for us to lose so they can point it out on RedCafe. None is better than the other. But keep in mind that there are only a few of them on RedCafe (but of course they could make it seem like there are a lot of them by posting actively) so do not generalize. This thread is generalizing that everyone who has a criticism on Ole the ManUtd manager, hate Ole on personal level and that is simply not true.
Why does it have to be like this. Always one extreme or the other.
A few can't stand Ole when we're losing in crucial moments to the point that they resorted to personal attacks. These posters are the loudest when we're losing.
A few can't stand Ole getting criticized, they used 'personal attacks' as a point to proof and generalize it to all posters who criticized Ole based on his tactical decisions. These posters are the loudest when we're winning.
It's almost impossible to have a reasonable debate on Ole thread. You type something and get attacked almost instantly. You dare to criticize Ole when we're winning? you're an idiot. You dare to praise Ole when we're losing? you're an idiot.
And people said Jose divided our fanbase. I think this is just as tiresome as when Jose's still the manager. By the end of the day, these posters take criticisms toward something they believe in or like personally. And that's bad because the Ole in are waiting for us to win so they can gloat on RedCafe while the Ole out are waiting for us to lose so they can point it out on RedCafe. None is better than the other. But keep in mind that there are only a few of them on RedCafe (but of course they could make it seem like there are a lot of them by posting actively) so do not generalize. This thread is generalizing that everyone who has a criticism on Ole the ManUtd manager, hate Ole on personal level and that is simply not true.
Why does it have to be like this. Always one extreme or the other.
That’s not how I remember it but if the god that is Jamie Carragher said it it must be true
Liverpools team in that match was: Jones, Johnson, Skrtel, Lovren, Henderson, Gerrard, Allen, Moreno, Coutinho, Sterling, Lallana. They finished 6th in the table just ahead of Southampton and Swansea. Are you seriously comparing Liverpool from december 2014 to Liverpool in 2019/20 ?
Let's not start with the whole Klopp comparison again. Klopp was already rated as a world class manager before he got to Liverpool. I'm all for keeping Ole on for the next season but lets stop with the Fergie, Klopp, Pep and Zidane comparisons until he actually starts lifiting some real silverware.
Maybe you should a bit of research before making broad generalisations?
We dominated that game every bit as the Juanfield game.
I’m saying we NEVER dominated Liverpool even when they were worse than ‘14 side.
That’s the only time under LVG that I remember us totally controlling the game & playing them off the park. How about the City team we beat 3-0 then? Will you give a list of names of their team? Thought not...
You're right I think.
All they want to is brag about and share the glory like in the old days. And they can't wait, they want it immediately and if any manager fail to deliver a PL or CL in their first or second season would be their target. They just want someone who could magically deliver it on his first season. The funny thing is, they don't even have an idea who that one would be.
And imo there are some of those diehard Joseboy in that lot as well. Based on my personal experience with them, they're very alike. The playing dumb, driving the conversation away, twisting words tactic is just too familiar. Imo Ole has been doing well and they simply can't stomach that.
So what’s your point? Ole is shit because he didn’t dominate Liverpool away from home? The fact he dominated city away from Home This season doesn’t count though?
That is utter nonsense.
Are you talking about the game we beat City 1-0 but still went out on away goals? With 36% possession...yes that’s as good as the Juanfield game. Deary me