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Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I don’t mean to nitpick but swinging opinion 3 times in a season isn’t great either. Patience is needed
Well it's 2 times. I wasnt 'ole in' from August 2019.
There was a rough patch to be fair, I expect a few more too, hopefully less bumpy
I didn't think he would survive, credit to him for turning this around.
Hopefully we will finish the season on a high.
Which mod pulled the trigger? Will vote for him/her as the best mod in this year's caf awards
I just figured that with Rafa gone someone had to do something. Quitting cold turkey is usually not healthy for you.
Pretty certain it was @Sultan, they first made the threat to Rafa to calm down, and when Rafa continued the same pattern Rafa got banned:
Edit: Meant to include this post from another Ole thread earlier today.
To be fair to those who did turn against him then, we were breaking quite a few records for the wrong reasons.
The only reason that I did not turn against him was due to our underlying performance data, and had Ole been sacked in October-November, the statistical data wouldn't have made for a compelling argument to suggest his sacking was harsh.
I'd say very few didn't have a wobble around that time. I know I did, not to the extent that I thought he should be sacked immediately but results were just so bad that I thought he'd be gone come the end of the season.
As you say could have made a case at the time that things weren't as bad as they appeared but it was pretty grim.
I was for sacking Ole. I think he isn’t great and the results have proved it.
However Bruno coming in and turning it around for us is an important change. If we do get top 4, I’d say we should stick with Ole for another season.
Looking forward to a win tomorrow.
However Bruno coming in and turning it around for us is an important change. If we do get top 4, I’d say we should stick with Ole for another season.
Looking forward to a win tomorrow.
I came close to wanting a change after Burnley but the reality is the players need sacking first before we look at the manager again. We're making strides, but progress is never linear, there's always bumps in the road but our trajectory seems to be one way at the moment which is really good. If you'd of told me we'd be 3rd with one game to go in October I'd have told you, you were full of shit.
It's an interesting topic. For the Ole out fans to me it looks like that they are not pushing for any particular manager. Just want someone who is better than Ole.
For the Ole in fans to me they want to keep Ole at any cost.
Would the Ole in fans accept if Woodward sign Klopp as the manager? Bearing in mind Sir Matt came from Liverpool to United.
For the Ole in fans to me they want to keep Ole at any cost.
Would the Ole in fans accept if Woodward sign Klopp as the manager? Bearing in mind Sir Matt came from Liverpool to United.
This is a complete misrepresentation as far as I can see.
I haven't seen anyone backing Ole at any cost. Most are saying he's doing a good job and things are moving in the right direction so he deserves more time.
Where are you getting this from?
EDIT: Klopp is forever tarnished after winning the asterisk for the scousers.
Of course I’d take Klopp over Ole or Pep or Zidane.
At the moment I wouldn't swap Ole for anyone since I like the feeling of belief of where we might be going with him at the weel.
If we fail to progress further then yeah we should swap him for someone that has decent odds of doing well with our team.
As for Klopp, not sure if I would ever want him with us. It would feel kinda like signing Owen. It felt kinda cool, almost like stealing the partner of your rival, but I was never in love with him, just liked parading him around in public.
Still very much on the fence to be honest. For now I'll keep the sack vote, since I think there are significantly more competent managers out there. It would be great if he could make it work though, and there are encouraging signs in some ways.
Just praying for Champions League tomorrow. Feels like the clubs trajectory is on a knifes edge.
Just praying for Champions League tomorrow. Feels like the clubs trajectory is on a knifes edge.
No. I value continuity over all else.
There is so much camraderie and unity in this playergroup that you don't just upset that by removing a manager. The club has commited to a project and so far they are well on route to their already announced goals.
Ole was almost certainly not hired for the long term. He has incredible amounts of goodwill with the fanbase, but would not be considered for the manager's position at any top club within the main leagues in Europe. I do not expect him to be at the club in 2 years time.
No problem with the first part of your post, but would Pep have been employed by any other top clubs, before building his reputation at Barca?
People laughed at Zidane getting the Madrid job.
If Ole gets the players he needs, and puts in a title challenge next season, with a club that has been off the pace for so long, rest assured, there will be a few top clubs paying an interest in his contract renewal talks.
Naah.
Ole in camp can be further divided into two; a)keep Ole at any cost, he's here for very long time, and.. b)keep Ole for now, he's the right fit for the current squad into next season, after that we'll see how it goes. Fans who are more in the middle ground between Ole-in and Ole-out are in this stance. Some may even say if a top manager suddenly become available soon, then replace him. If not, then no.
You made two strong arguments there. Nicely done.
I remember Zidane was laughed at upon his first appointment. As for Pep, I don't think people expect much of him since Barca squad at that time is already too strong so he's going to have a smooth ride than many rookie manager. Their CVs as manager before that wasn't that impressive at all.
Turns out, it's what they do afterwards that are more important.
What Ole are doing now and did are just unexpected really. The mistakes and weaknesses are within expectations but the achievements though, I doubt many expect that at all.
The most annoying thing for me are the peeps who clearly never wanted Ole to be given a chance (cant fathom why not looking at things from a Utd fan who understands our history POV) and are tooooooo proud to accept that Ole is doing well.
This screams of peeps believing only in themselves, elevating their own persona above the clubs and evidently belittling Ole, a club legend, irrespective of how well he does or may do and all out of spite.
Its the spite that gets me .....
Would be pretty unbelievable until you recognise we are living in unbelievable times (Liverpool winning the league with a team of workers .....)
:P :P
This screams of peeps believing only in themselves, elevating their own persona above the clubs and evidently belittling Ole, a club legend, irrespective of how well he does or may do and all out of spite.
Its the spite that gets me .....
Would be pretty unbelievable until you recognise we are living in unbelievable times (Liverpool winning the league with a team of workers .....)
:P :P
Come on let’s be honest. He’s got 10 years management experience these cases are nowhere near the same. The other two coaches had zero coaching experience with regards to managing a first team. This is not the case with Ole. I also fail to believe any top club would be interested in his contract renewal and if we are learning from our mistakes we let his contract run down to the end. It’s risk free.
Who are these people? I’ve said it before theirs a weird agenda vibe where entitled fans think if you want Ole to stay it’s at all cost and if you want him out it’s at all cost. Like that stupid first sentence of yours. What has someone not thinking Ole is good enough got anything thing to do with United’s history. What a load of crap.
What I find most amazing is the doomsday-posters in a situation where we could end 3rd in the League - and could still win Europa League - and reaching the semis in both domestic cups.
If people want to have a go at OGS, they should at least wait until (and if) the season ends in disappointment.
We are 90 minutes away from a very good season - and I feel Confident that if we get top-4 - the pressure will drop and we will at least reach the final of the Europa League
If people want to have a go at OGS, they should at least wait until (and if) the season ends in disappointment.
We are 90 minutes away from a very good season - and I feel Confident that if we get top-4 - the pressure will drop and we will at least reach the final of the Europa League
Is this the bit where I am supposed to say that he gave Molde their first titles, and then you say, it's a piss-ant league anyway?
I obviously, am not suggesting this is Ole's first job. The point I am trying to make, and am sorry if it wasn't made clearly is, to be sought by top clubs, one first has to establish a reputation.
All three have a deep understanding of the clubs they represent(ed), which bought them a pass on the reputational requirement.
So no, top clubs would not be lining up to employ any of those three, if they hadn't either been 'insiders', or done something remarkable elsewhere.
If Ole makes us compete at the very top, of course big clubs will look at him as a potential boss. He will have displayed an ability for wholesale restructuring of a squad, reaching targets, and instilling mentality, all whilst in a high pressure role at an underperforming giant, where much more vaunted names had failed.
It's all ifs and buts though.
Let's see where he takes us.
No I understand. I just don’t know what makes you think any club would want the Manchester United manager that didn’t win them the league. What reputation is that. Do we want the Inter Milan manager before Conte?
Agreed man. We really could do with less of these strawman posts mischaracterising people on each side of the debate in this way.
It only serves to polarise things further.
We were closer to relegation than top 4 when Jose left. That squad has also largely left or been sidelined as well. This is a very different team to the one that Jose left. Of that Jose team it is only Pogba, DDG, and Matic left from the first teamers who you could say are still crucial now. Martial, Rashford and Shaw were certainly not a core part of that Jose team, for instance.
Well who are these top league-winning managers that are suddenly looking for work?
Did Pocchetino win the league?
A lot of people want him.
Do you know who did?
Jose. That went well didn't it?
Not every manager employed at every top club has previously won the league, in another top league. If that was the case, there would be a merry-go-round of a small exclusive group. A small exclusive group that wins and immediately moves on, or is moved on by their club.
How realistic does that sound?
Your not wrong. But come on man. Ole’s unique in the fact he’s a United ex player with rich history with us. It’s not that way for the managers you’ve mentioned and unless he wins a title or the champions league. Top clubs around Europe aren’t going to be interested in him. It just is what it is. I’m not even dissing Ole your just speaking very out of context. I sure you can understand that the clout for Ole will not exist just on what he’s doing now. Maybe an ex club of his like United but he doesn’t have one expect Molde. If he had a career at Spurs for instance after United they may also have been keeping a keen interest on him.
I already gave you two Spanish examples, of club legends who made it that way. The difference being, they were given it as their first jobs. They were given much better teams than Molde, a relegation threatened Cardiff, and much better players than post-Jose United.
If Ole wins the league after turning us around, it will be a huge achievement, that will be acknowledged around Europe.
As I say though, what-ifs isn't a comfortable place for me. Let's see what happens.
But look at the speed at which those two managers won things and imposed their style on the team. We're still talking about a transitional period for Ole as he enters his 3rd season. There's no way Barca or Madrid would have persisted with that.
A lot of the reasons to keep Ole at this point are "what-if" reasons. His success or lack of is being closely tied to his signings this summer.
Ole's "first" season here can hardly be counted against him since he joined mid-season. The odds were stacked against him to make Top4 due to half a season he had no control over.
If he doesn't make Top 4 this season then yeah it's completely his "fault".
Theorizing that his third season will be the same is the same "what if"-like scenario you are putting on those who are pro-Ole in.
Real and Barca have essentially always (in the modern day) played in a 2-team league. So for them to finish in the Top 4 for Champions League opportunities have usually been a given no matter who is the manager. It's easier to get results when you dominate the opposition and mostly compete with just one other team. Not to mention both Pep and Zidane joined their teams when they were pretty stacked with quality players. The same can hardly be said for Ole now. If Ole took over instead of Moyes it would be more comparable.
rafaelsgold was probably about 12
wouldnt be surprised if he's cheering on Leicester today
wouldnt be surprised if he's cheering on Leicester today
So how's this thread going to look in a couple of hours time then
Wow!
Matriac has given you a reposte as well as I could, so read that for my thoughts.
But you are overreaching greatly, just to hammer Ole. "going into his third season..."
He hasn't even completed one and a half.
Keep things sensible for gods sake.
Win or lose today, I’ve enjoyed this season more than any since Fergie retired. We’ve got an exciting group of young players and I’m genuinely looking forward to next season. A decent transfer window and we can mount a title challenge regardless of what happens today.
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