Sir Alex showing his class

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I doubt he would due to media training and the owners, but Lampard has a very good set of GCSE results behind him, one of the more intelligent footballers certainly.
That's kind of a low bar though!! "A very good set of GCSE results" is one step up from passing your cycling proficiency and getting a 50m swimming badge.
 

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I doubt he would due to media training and the owners, but Lampard has a very good set of GCSE results behind him, one of the more intelligent footballers certainly.
That's not the measure of being politically aware. :lol:

Lampard went to one of the best known private independent schools in Essex so I think you get what you pay for.

Sir Trevor Brooking has an 'impressive set of GCSEs' too, Coppell has a degree in Economics, Iain Dowie,Brian McClair,Shaka Hislop, Alan Gowling..
 

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It's been well documented. SAF did want him after Pep had already signed for Bayern Munich but Klopp wanted a sabbatical and we weren't willing to wait...or the powers in charge of Utd weren't willing to wait a year with a caretaker in charge. We went with a hasty and under qualified candidate.

Such short sightedness cost us several years of positive development. They're all culpable including SAF but the club should have been bold enough to say, "look, thanks Sir Alex but we need a serious long term plan and this is what we need to do."

Oh well, no use fretting over it. We are where we are
Woodward spoke to him to take over Moyes, and told him the club was an adult version of Disneyland, instead of a historic football club. This is well known and made Klopp think twice about taking the job. If we had football people running the club we likely would have got him
 

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Woodward spoke to him to take over Moyes, and told him the club was an adult version of Disneyland, instead of a historic football club. This is well known and made Klopp think twice about taking the job. If we had football people running the club we likely would have got him
I've never heard that before, fecking hell! Is there a source?
 

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I've never heard that before, fecking hell! Is there a source?
its from Klopps biography


Not long before, Manchester United executive vice chairman Ed Woodward had flown out to see Klopp in Germany. David Moyes's short tenure at Old Trafford was coming to an end, and Klopp was United's favourite to replace him, to bring back a sense of adventure to the Red Devils' game.

Woodward told Klopp that the Theatre of Dreams was 'like an adult version of Disneyland', a mythical place where, as the nickname suggested, the entertainment was world class and dreams came true.

Klopp wasn't entirely convinced by that sales pitch — he found it a bit 'unsexy', he told a friend
 

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Class reaction.

Klopp is a very articulate and intelligent speaker. I listened to an interview with him on Radio5Live, giving his views on Brexit, and he was very impressive. No football chat but extremely perceptive on the politics of the EU.

Couldn't imagine a twat like Lampard doing the same
Klopp graduated in sports science from a respectable university, while playing full time for Mainz with a kid at home. He's probably no idiot.

Actually I think younger coaches are academics more often than not. From Germany I know that Roger Schmidt has a degree in civil engineering, Tuchel has a business administration degree, Nagelsmann studied that as well and has a bachelor's degree in sports science. Kohfeldt has a masters degree in sports science.
 
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If Klopp believed that he could have success with Liverpool I actually understand that he would prefer that job over Man Utd. In a way, by winning with Liverpool he did the same thing Ferguson did. Taking over from Ferguson was a big challenge, but if he did everyone would have suggested that his success was down to the foundation already there.

A lot of managers (Pep, Mourinho etc) seem to prefer to go to a club where they can buy the best players in the world for record fees. But I really admire the builders like Ferguson, Klopp and maybe even Bielsa who prefer a different type of challenge. Yes, Klopp spent alot of money, and so did Ferguson, but taking Man Utd and Liverpool to the top was a completely different challenge from City (who outspend everyone), Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern etc. And it is not just about winning, but how they build an entire club while doing it.
Truth be told, he has become like their Ferguson in a way. Obviously he's not near the great man in terms of overall achievements, but he came to a sleeping giant club (relatively speaking) and won them their first league title in 30 years, a curse that we all hoped would never be broken. There are some parallels to be drawn between him and SAF.
 

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That's kind of a low bar though!! "A very good set of GCSE results" is one step up from passing your cycling proficiency and getting a 50m swimming badge.
:lol:

Indeed, Lampard might be more intelligent than your garden variety football manager, but that's not saying much.
 

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its from Klopps biography
A bit 'unsexy' is a fecking understatement

Woody shouldn't be allowed anywhere near negotiations to sign players.

He'd probably tell someone like Messi." Utd is great and Manchester has the Trafford Centre. A couple of mile away you can do some super walking in the Pennines too." What's not to like?
 

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Truth be told, he has become like their Ferguson in a way. Obviously he's not near the great man in terms of overall achievements, but he came to a sleeping giant club (relatively speaking) and won them their first league title in 30 years, a curse that we all hoped would never be broken. There are some parallels to be drawn between him and SAF.
There are but he's said that he's never going to hang about for years on end
 

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Bit fecking late now Mr Ferguson.
If you loved Klopp so much, why the feck did you hire David Fecking Moyes.
You had your chance and blew it big time.
He's "Mr Ferguson" for Liverpool and Chelsea fans.
 

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The utter state of some Liverpool fan reaction to this. He's presenting a trophy, named after himself, to a manager who has won a single title to his 13, and the deluded lunatics think its some sort of humbling moment. All it is is class. Liverpool fans so often live up to their reputation as horrible borderline psychotic freaks
 

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That's a congratulations to Klopp, who you can see has a pretty infectious personality, and not in any way to Liverpool. Perfect.
 

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There are but he's said that he's never going to hang about for years on end
And I certainly hope he doesn't! I didn't say I thought he was going to end up building a dynasty there or anything of that sort. What Sir Alex did for us can be broadly described in two ways. Firstly, he got the club their first league title after so many years. Secondly, he built a dynasty that made us the most successful club in the country and everything else that came along with that. There's no saying Klopp will do the latter for Liverpool, but he certainly accomplished the former.
 

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And I certainly hope he doesn't! I didn't say I thought he was going to end up building a dynasty there or anything of that sort. What Sir Alex did for us can be broadly described in two ways. Firstly, he got the club their first league title after so many years. Secondly, he built a dynasty that made us the most successful club in the country and everything else that came along with that. There's no saying Klopp will do the latter for Liverpool, but he certainly accomplished the former.
3 ways.

He built and successfully rebuilt several teams. I can't think of any coach who's done it
 

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This thread has predictably headed towards United fans celebrating their love for Klopp while deriding Woodward at every opportunity.
 

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The utter state of some Liverpool fan reaction to this. He's presenting a trophy, named after himself, to a manager who has won a single title to his 13, and the deluded lunatics think its some sort of humbling moment. All it is is class. Liverpool fans so often live up to their reputation as horrible borderline psychotic freaks
If we spend as long in their shadow as they did in ours during Ferguson's reign we might one day ascend to that same level of bitterness. The mere sight of Fergie must still give some scousers nightmares.
 

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That's kind of a low bar though!! "A very good set of GCSE results" is one step up from passing your cycling proficiency and getting a 50m swimming badge.
Haha, I agree, but that’s not a bar too many footballers have cleared, so singling him out as especially stupid as I think the poster did just seemed a bit off.
 

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God damn the big man is looking tremendous!
Shit thing to hear to come out of him but god damn that made my day seeing how good he looks. Get in Sir Alex!
 

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It's always great to hear from Fergie. Great words.

The utter state of some Liverpool fan reaction to this. He's presenting a trophy, named after himself, to a manager who has won a single title to his 13, and the deluded lunatics think its some sort of humbling moment. All it is is class. Liverpool fans so often live up to their reputation as horrible borderline psychotic freaks
There's no need to give any of the missives from those deluded idiots houseroom. None whatsoever, and by deluded idiots I don't just mean those from the Liverpool side but any football fan whose bitterness and lack of fulfilment go far beyond football.

For me Fergie and Klopp's messages speak to the fact that, occasional character clashes and mutual apathy aside (Jose and a few people, Benitez, Wenger had his moments too), there is huge mutual respect and liking between those within the crazy world of football who 'get it' so much more than anyone outside possibly could. PL managers are ridiculously well-paid and their lives are comfortable in many ways, but giving your life over the madness of the football world isn't for everyone by any means, so there is surely a mutual bond when one meets another that transcends whatever club crest they have stitched onto their tracksuits.
 
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Although we're rivals Fergie respects Liverpool. Not mentioning Liverpool is hearing something you want to hear. :) I bet also deep down he hates they way City rose to the top and everything they represent.
 

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Many caftards are experiencing inferiority complex towards Liverpool and Klopp these days because we are worse than them on the pitch. Hatred, slating Man United players, staff, and hierarchy (doesn't matter how justified the criticism is, it's still negativity and it's too much in recent years) is widespread. An interesting phenomenon is what I call "overwhelming negative reaction". Often when a poster expresses satisfaction with the team/player/manager/staff or highlights a positive event/development, his/her post is immediately countered with negative posts usually outnumbering the initial post. Sense of camaraderie and common cause seem completely lost among us.

Meanwhile, we miss the elephant in the room.

The whole situation when Liverpool manager who won the club's first title in 30 years is awarded the Best Manager trophy named after Man United manager shows the difference between club statures. Sir Alex legacy is the Club which is much bigger than Liverpool. We are bigger than them in terms of followers, stature, financial power, and most importantly, identity. Our story is more appealing. If Liverpool had to wait for 30 years for their title, it doesn't mean we will have to wait for 30 years. As an entity, we are much more powerful than Liverpool ever was. We had awful 7 years, and it even didn't put a dent on our might. We are still respected and feared. Thank God for Sir Alex, long live the great man.
 

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He always reminds me of the "cool wall" on Top Fear, they had to extend it by putting a fridge on the end of the wall exclusively for a car so cool it was deemed sub zero - SAF belongs in the subzero bit for humans.

A class above 99.9% of the human race is our Fergie and we were lucky to have him for so long.
 

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That's not the measure of being politically aware. :lol:

Lampard went to one of the best known private independent schools in Essex so I think you get what you pay for.

Sir Trevor Brooking has an 'impressive set of GCSEs' too, Coppell has a degree in Economics, Iain Dowie,Brian McClair,Shaka Hislop, Alan Gowling..
I wonder what university one goes to acquire degrees in Ian Dowie et al :smirk:
 

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Haha, I agree, but that’s not a bar too many footballers have cleared, so singling him out as especially stupid as I think the poster did just seemed a bit off.
A lot of them have not had the privileged background either to be sent to a top school. A lot have had to get out there and support their families.
 

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Klopp went to the University of Frankfurt. Most British football players won't even finish high school.
 

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I doubt he would due to media training and the owners, but Lampard has a very good set of GCSE results behind him, one of the more intelligent footballers certainly.
Yeah he's got an IQ of 150 or something like that. Think he's one of those who is genuinely intelligent.

Someone like Lee Bowyer or Sam Allardyce on the other hand...
 

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Klopp probably did a smart move in turning us down when he did.

Any quality manager in the game should have turned us down in 2013. The bar to fail after Ferguson would be too low.
It's just a shame that Klopp didn't stay in Germany a bit longer so that he could be avaible when we sacked Van Gaal, or even Mou.

(That said, I'm happy we got Ole now.)
 

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"Your personality went right through the whole club"
"30 years"
"You thoroughly deserve it"

He took the piss out of Liverpool basically, it's Klopp's title and not Liverpool's.
I see it as the ultimate praise. SAF believes the manager is the most important person in a football club and success comes when a manager is able to infuse his entire personality and being into the organisation. I agree with him.

Klopp’s achievement is astonishing and brilliant for that exact reason. Liverpool’s structure, income base and recent history led many to believe they could never win the title again. And yet despite the non oil handicap, they have been consistently brilliant for a few years and won CL and PL In the process. Klopp fully deserves SAFs recognition.

It’s the key reason why OGS has my full support: his life experience and beliefs means everywhere else will feel wrong; Manchester United is the perfect fit for him, and if given enough time and resources, that perfect cultural connection will bring us back to the top.
 

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It's always great to hear from Fergie. Great words.



There's no need to give any of the missives from those deluded idiots houseroom. None whatsoever, and by deluded idiots I don't just mean those from the Liverpool side but any football fan who's bitterness and lack of fulfilment go far beyond football.

For me Fergie and Klopp's messages speak to the fact that, occasional character clashes and mutual apathy aside (Jose and a few people, Benitez, Wenger had his moments too), there is huge mutual respect and liking between those within the crazy world of football who 'get it' so much more than anyone outside possibly could. PL managers are ridiculously well-paid and their lives are comfortable in many ways, but giving your life over the madness of the football world isn't for everyone by any means, so there is surely a mutual bond when one meets another that transcends whatever club crest they have stitched onto their tracksuits.
Ya agree. Even fergie and wenger by the end had a really good relationship.