Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Your smoking some very strong stuff tonight
100 points should do it. If not, we should hire Klopp or Guardiola.
We have been the 3rd best team in the league this season, having actually played good football with a young team. That’s beyond progress.
Is this even a serious question? Anyone who wants him sacked are delusional
What's this fetish with the points? Who cares about the points? I don't care if we get 50 points and win the PL.
A club may get 100 points and not win the PL.
I don't care if Jose got 90 points and came 2nd. He still came second. You can't compare points plus they are in different seasons so it can't be compared.
A club may get 100 points and not win the PL.
I don't care if Jose got 90 points and came 2nd. He still came second. You can't compare points plus they are in different seasons so it can't be compared.
That is understandable if you are holding Ole by the standard of 'must win the title'. Because the next step of progress right now in the league is either win the title, or accumulate an amount of points which indicates that a title win is possible.
Of course a title win right now is a very harsh expectation, but also a 3rd placed finish miles behind the leaders doesn't point to any sort of realistic challenge, which is what people are ultimately going to expect from Ole soon. So if a title win right now is unrealistic, a competitive amount of points is the next best thing.
Keep. He’s doing great so far. It was not a easy job at all to come into the United he did. His signings have been good also. Back him
Whats with the stupid shite about points? You beat as much of whats in front of you as you can each season and finish somewhere. Its the beauty of the infinite game of football. And it shows how some seasons the quality is more spread and some seasons it is a lot more clear cut. Look at the leicester pl win. Most of the other ‘top’ teams were shite that year, and it allowed them to win with a lower end points total. But it doesn't take away from their achievement or the fact they put most that they faced to the sword. Bollocks arguments that x team from x era would have won the league in x season
People forget we were in a dire situation. As soon as Pogba got injured 4 games into the premier league our season was pretty much a write off when it was confirmed Pogba would be out for a long time while also trying to engineer a move out or old trafford.
The football was abysmal. We had Lingard, Pereira and Mata playing virtually every week as our attacking creativity. It was dire and we knew it but there was nothing we could do to change it. We were extremely lucky that James was able to establish some kind of form to keep us breathing. If he had the form he’s had recently that would have been fatal.
It really is a miracle we’ve managed to get 3rd after all this. Bruno was literally the one single piece that could have done the rescue act.
Ole has taken a lot of flack since his appointment. I Haven’t been his biggest fan along the way but neither have I been his biggest critic.
But he deserves incredible credit for what he has achieved and the board owe him some serious backing. I’m not accepting this nonsense that everything fell into place for him and he had nothing to do with it. Ridiculous.
When was the last time we had such an incredible record against the top 6 finishing teams? Out of the 10 games against the top 6 we W7 D2 L1. That’s amazing!
In recent years we used to go into big games shitting ourselves expecting a pasting. Yet every big game this season we’ve looked like we should have won them all. Even Liverpool at home we were all over them and they were delighted to get a draw.
Ole really doesn’t get enough credit because he just comes across as a weak character in interviews. Look at ranieri. He never looks like a man who can win a premier league never mind with a small team like Leicester!
i watched the True Geordie doing a live stream with fans of various clubs for the last game of the season. They invited KG from UnitedStand clearly just to troll him in the expectation Utd were going to fail. I couldn’t believe the nonsense TrueGeordie and in particular the Chelsea fan were coming out with. They claimed Ole didn’t deserve credit as he basically came in and did what was the obvious thing like getting rid of sanchez and Lukaku. And playing martial as a striker because he had no other choice. And by buying bruno and putting him in the team as it was the obvious thing to do. He claimed that any player like Bruno would obviously lift the club and improve the team massively. They just didn’t want to give ole any credit for it at all.
On that basis we could argue that it would be obvious bringing in a player like Sanchez or Di Maria would raise the club and improve the team instantly. Well it didn’t and it failed miserably. I don’t care what anyone says, Ole has done brilliantly and deserves every bit of backing by the board.
Until he shows he’s not competent then he deserves a chance. We can’t even say he struggles against the big teams and managers because he doesn’t! He’s been smashing them too.
The football was abysmal. We had Lingard, Pereira and Mata playing virtually every week as our attacking creativity. It was dire and we knew it but there was nothing we could do to change it. We were extremely lucky that James was able to establish some kind of form to keep us breathing. If he had the form he’s had recently that would have been fatal.
It really is a miracle we’ve managed to get 3rd after all this. Bruno was literally the one single piece that could have done the rescue act.
Ole has taken a lot of flack since his appointment. I Haven’t been his biggest fan along the way but neither have I been his biggest critic.
But he deserves incredible credit for what he has achieved and the board owe him some serious backing. I’m not accepting this nonsense that everything fell into place for him and he had nothing to do with it. Ridiculous.
When was the last time we had such an incredible record against the top 6 finishing teams? Out of the 10 games against the top 6 we W7 D2 L1. That’s amazing!
In recent years we used to go into big games shitting ourselves expecting a pasting. Yet every big game this season we’ve looked like we should have won them all. Even Liverpool at home we were all over them and they were delighted to get a draw.
Ole really doesn’t get enough credit because he just comes across as a weak character in interviews. Look at ranieri. He never looks like a man who can win a premier league never mind with a small team like Leicester!
i watched the True Geordie doing a live stream with fans of various clubs for the last game of the season. They invited KG from UnitedStand clearly just to troll him in the expectation Utd were going to fail. I couldn’t believe the nonsense TrueGeordie and in particular the Chelsea fan were coming out with. They claimed Ole didn’t deserve credit as he basically came in and did what was the obvious thing like getting rid of sanchez and Lukaku. And playing martial as a striker because he had no other choice. And by buying bruno and putting him in the team as it was the obvious thing to do. He claimed that any player like Bruno would obviously lift the club and improve the team massively. They just didn’t want to give ole any credit for it at all.
On that basis we could argue that it would be obvious bringing in a player like Sanchez or Di Maria would raise the club and improve the team instantly. Well it didn’t and it failed miserably. I don’t care what anyone says, Ole has done brilliantly and deserves every bit of backing by the board.
Until he shows he’s not competent then he deserves a chance. We can’t even say he struggles against the big teams and managers because he doesn’t! He’s been smashing them too.
wtf have I just read?!? Jose’s team better than the 99 team? Screw me sideways and call me Suzie.....I’m done!
This thread is equal measures sad and funny. I really wonder about the stupidity of some people and ask if it is right to laugh?
Thread has been derailed now and that’s probably because Ole is safe as houses regardless of what anyone here thinks. Not sure it is worth keeping the thread open even but I suppose closing it would be extremely RAWK-ish.
Thread has been derailed now and that’s probably because Ole is safe as houses regardless of what anyone here thinks. Not sure it is worth keeping the thread open even but I suppose closing it would be extremely RAWK-ish.
Can I be grateful for the work he has done up to now and still want him replaced?
You're wumming right?
Points totals obviously matter. You can't stick your head in the sand and just wait for the league to go back to 80 point champions.
The last 4 champions have accumulated:
99
98
100
93
That's 3 different football clubs that have won the title in the last 4 years.
The last 4 champions have accumulated:
99
98
100
93
That's 3 different football clubs that have won the title in the last 4 years.
Got to be on the wind up
. Points total without context is point...less.Of course, but that doesn't fit the agenda so your post is shit, and what is this obsession with points (no argument given why points do not matter, but who cares about arguments anymore).
I don't think Ole will hang around if a DOF comes in. Unless it's him taking on the role. He doesn't need the hassle of distractions he can go home to Norway which is a nice and safer place. I just don't see him as someone who needs the cash and will compromise. In many ways SAF has been the DOF since Ole took over. But anybody else is just going to either do what Ole says, or be a total nuisance. I reckon this summer is going to be interesting and I wouldn't be surprised if Ole walks away.
yup he'll go back to Molde so he can get full control of transfers again
And you're the one complaining about straw men?
Kloop and Pep are both far better in the league than Fergie ever was then becsuse they both got more points than him?
Why have the goal posts moved to points totals now?
I wanted him gone earlier this year, believing that whatever form we had after his immediate hire was a mirage from the team actually being happy after working under a totalitarian like Mourinho.
But, I see no point in not giving him all of next year (unless it is truly a disaster by January). We finally look to have a promising attack, and the defense is somewhat sorted. The last thing we need to do is fire Ole, potentially bring in a new coach who prefers to change our style of attack to something more in their mold (for example, emphasizing a target man #9). I don't think we want to fund another squad rebuild to accomplish building in that coaches mold, whereas building around Ole's current vision, is adding pieces that fit into a current vision. Now, I'm not ruling out eating my words in a year. I'm not fully sold on him taking this team to the top. But, I'm willing to give him the chance to prove he is given the other options.
But, I see no point in not giving him all of next year (unless it is truly a disaster by January). We finally look to have a promising attack, and the defense is somewhat sorted. The last thing we need to do is fire Ole, potentially bring in a new coach who prefers to change our style of attack to something more in their mold (for example, emphasizing a target man #9). I don't think we want to fund another squad rebuild to accomplish building in that coaches mold, whereas building around Ole's current vision, is adding pieces that fit into a current vision. Now, I'm not ruling out eating my words in a year. I'm not fully sold on him taking this team to the top. But, I'm willing to give him the chance to prove he is given the other options.
Why would Ole walk away from the biggest job he is ever likely going to have, at a time where he is making improvements and has a chance of becoming a god-like-super-legend at a club where he is already a legend?
Shhh that's top red talk, don't you know?
When some people ran out of things to moan about, they'll always start to moan about other issues because they just couldn't stand being proven wrong on an internet forum. So instead of taking the L, they double down or find other things to complain about, hoping the issue that they complained about will eventually be proven true, and they will be in your face with a "I told you so" smirk when that happen.
That and the fact that pigs will fly before Ed actually appoints a DOF. Does anyone actually believe this PR guff?
Yep, that as well.
I think it is just a few people arguing for that considering that at least above 98 points were required to win the title in the last 3 years. Title challenge regardless of points should be the goal post for next season as Top 4 was for this season.
Every season is different. Never compare points totals only ever care about final position.
Under Fergie we won the league in the mid 90’s with 75 points. This often points to the league being ultra competitive so is probably a more difficult season that a side who finishes on 99 points
Because sadly we have some right tools on the caf... Comparing points total from neighbouring seasons (i.e we got the same points total last year as this year) is worthwhile because there is only so much a team can change in a season. However, and worth noting there seem to be a few wums, people have started comparing the 99 team to ones decades later as if they exist in a vacuum..
Well... when all the other goalposts have been smashed by Ole... (nevermind that even most Ole-in supporters, like myself, weren't expecting a 3rd place finish this year)
The amount of sense this makes is currently tearing a hole in the cosmos as its divding itself by 0, having just been defined by this very post.
Since 2013/14 we've had - 64 - 70 - 66 - 69 - 81 (outlier) - 66 and 66. If anything the team has been very consistent under 4 different managers.
Perhaps its time to admit that it takes more than a good manager to win football matches? The players we put on the pitch should matter just a tiny bit?
The amount of good that is happening now is so hard to overlook, why would you disrupt that by aiming for a new manager?
Perhaps it's time to admit it takes more than just good players to win football matches? I mean like you're talking as if the current squad is the same as it was under Moyes. It's not even the same as the one Louis Van Gaal left.
The question I'd be asking is - considering the state of those results, how are we only on our 4th manager in the last 7 years? I mean Chelsea are on their 4th and they've actually won 2 PL titles in that time.
Chelsea have had better players than us throughout this period, up until this season they had arguably the best player in the league. When you have a good squad it's easier to change manager and stay successful.
A key part of being the manager in our structure is getting recruitment right, Moyes, Mourinho and Van Gaal could not have got it much worse between them despite decent backing. This is the first time since SAF we actually have some semblance of a right wing and more than 1 or 2 actual goal threats on the pitch.
Ole is not a money hungry grasping little hawk like other premier league managers. He was cool throughout because he knew he was kick starting a new era. That's all that matters to him.
These are exceptional managers though. Once they leave 71 points will win the league again. Even Alex Ferguson would struggle. These managers would do this in any era. Back in the old says Fergie was too good for the other British managers. Today it is different with all of these top foreign managers.
Outside of the top 2 it has been highly competitive. Look at the right points margin between them.
You're up against young, hungry elite managers wanted by everybody... hence why the top 2 are so far ahead.
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