Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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Wow. Thats some statement. Ronaldo was just outstanding player and he performed in a very demanding and high quality league with a club that expects titles
I am sorry but Jadon is playing in a different league and the club always plays second fiddle. Second is very acceptable for them.
I remember Mkhitaryan, when he came to united had even crazier stats of assists and goals but he just couldn't get involved.
And before that Kagawa had player of the season performances, yet couldn't perform in a very attacking man united

So in my opinion, I would wait for him for a season to decide on this inference
Call me crazy but the presence of two questions marks in that post lead me to believe it was a question not a statement.
 

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I don't know about crazier.

Mkhitaryan's stats were 11 goals and 15 assists in 31 games as a 26/27 year old.

Sancho is on 17 goals and 16 assists
in 25 games at 20 years of age.

Sancho is at an age where he hasn't reached his peak and should continue to improve, whereas Mkhitaryan was the finished article and couldn't cope with the step up.
Think of it this way, Martial (24), Rashford (22), Greenwood (18), Sancho (20).

Players don't decline until they hit around 30-31 generally, with 28-29 the peak.

Martial can be released in 7 or so years, but until then the players will only grow together and become a force.

The front 3 will be lethal, AWB is 22, Maguire has 5-6 years in him, Bruno is 25, Pogba 27 (both as midfielders can go perhaps 6 years).

The team can be freshened up when needed but the team itself will only get better now.

Scary stuff how the team looked to have no plan and direction now its like the clouds have parted and you can slowly see how good the squad is.

In my eyes the team is nearly good for 7-8 years with fresh faces bringing in now again, what the team has is a very good spine.
 

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I hope Sancho doesn't drift out to the left!

I'd be raging if we had Rashford, Martial and Sancho crowding each other out while AWB is left alone on the right wing..again.
I was thinking that when watching a highlights video where every goal and assist was from the left for about 5mins :lol:
 

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we're ticking along at about 3 pages per hour currently

wonder what the fastest thread ever was? Nos Vemos en Manchester probably got us to like 10 pph
 

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Wow. Thats some statement. Ronaldo was just outstanding player and he performed in a very demanding and high quality league with a club that expects titles
I am sorry but Jadon is playing in a different league and the club always plays second fiddle. Second is very acceptable for them.
I remember Mkhitaryan, when he came to united had even crazier stats of assists and goals but he just couldn't get involved.
And before that Kagawa had player of the season performances, yet couldn't perform in a very attacking man united

So in my opinion, I would wait for him for a season to decide on this inference
Totally different players.
Sancho is a wonderkid putting in bigger numbers than the other two as a 20 year old.

Kagawa was screwed by us signing Van Persie, which changed the plan.
Mhky was a central player we tried to change his position, and he spent half a season trying to get his head right.

No reason Sancho should underperform just because two players we bought before didn't. Totally different situations.
 

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Credit to Woodward and the board for getting this done very promptly. I thought this would drag and drag throughout the whole transfer window
 

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Totally different players.
Sancho is a wonderkid putting in bigger numbers than the other two as a 20 year old.

Kagawa was screwed by us signing Van Persie, which changed the plan.
Mhky was a central player we tried to change his position, and he spent half a season trying to get his head right.

No reason Sancho should underperform just because two players we bought before didn't. Totally different situations.
Thinking about Kagawa, it was really a weird signing back then. As if we were planning to play with number 10 then decided to screw it and get RVP to play with 2 strikers instead.
 

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May Sancho break the Dortmund curse once he join us.

Mkhitaryan -- performed but overall too disappointing, left soon after.
Kagawa -- overall disappointing, only few good games, left soon after.

Januzaj -- already disappointing, loaning him there for education doesn't help either and he continue to disappoint, one season hit wonder, left soon after rejoining.

All four of 'em are attackers and can play across all four attacking positions.
 

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Although my understanding of our transfer strategy is limited, I'm fairly certain "advanced talks" means we're in the process of mailing the bid.

I could be mistaken.
Please we are more high tech than that. We use this new technology called the fax machine.
 

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May Sancho break the Dortmund curse once he join us.

Mkhitaryan -- performed but overall too disappointing, left soon after.
Kagawa -- overall disappointing, only few good games, left soon after.

Januzaj -- already disappointing, loaning him there for education doesn't help either and he continue to disappoint, one season hit wonder, left soon after rejoining.

All four of 'em are attackers and can play across all four attacking positions.
I think Januzaj's problems were of his own making
 

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Always had a feeling this would happen, but to see it come up as breaking news on SSN is something words cannot describe.
Last summer I hoped we'd get him then we didn't get CL so gave up hope. That win vs Leicester was what sealed this deal for me, but I still prefer seeing the 'here we go' from Romano now, usually a few hours later maximum it'll be on the United website.
 

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May Sancho break the Dortmund curse once he join us.

Mkhitaryan -- performed but overall too disappointing, left soon after.
Kagawa -- overall disappointing, only few good games, left soon after.

Januzaj -- already disappointing, loaning him there for education doesn't help either and he continue to disappoint, one season hit wonder, left soon after rejoining.

All four of 'em are attackers and can play across all four attacking positions.
Mkhitaryan was a 1 season wonder at Dortmund. We just got suckered into thinking that 1 season was his true level as opposed to the previous 2 seasons at Dortmund.
 

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He'll end up at Liverpool or in Spain. Mark these words.
Sancho‘s best friends are all at Chelsea.
He is never going to ManUtd. Calm down.

He is Chelsea-bound. If he goes to ManUtd, I will delete my account:lol:
The only ones persisting he is going to United are the United fans literally Sancho himself rejected you last year, a player of his talent will no doubt go to a team who can win titles no matter how much money you guys are offering, since that's the only thing you can offer him. This is the same player that left his country and more money for development and some of you think he will go to United because of exclusively money and Manchester town :lol:
I’m glad I had these bookmarked

So then, what happened here? :lol::lol::lol:
 

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This will be disappointing if happens.
Do people honestly think that coaches and ex pros of the standard of Ole, Carrick and McKenna are going to let that happen? Because the experts on the Caf have coached world class players and played for major football teams...
 
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Only person from United twitter I'm blocked by is that thin skinned Hashem guy for liking a tweet in reply in jest to him so must be him :lol:

It really is jarring thought the contrast from the likely squad we would've had under Jose right now to building one of the most exciting and promising young front lines in Europe under Ole. Still gives me nightmares to think he would've easily sacrificed Martial for the likes of Sanchez, Perisic and Willian :houllier:
Yeah its him :lol:

It makes he shudder to think what could have been, our team is looking really exciting now :drool:
 

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Yeah, but he's still young and need to prove over time that he's worth big money. If his fee was artificially lower due to a release clause or something he would get a higher salary. He just doesn't have negotiation wiggle room for much more if we are the only one who can afford to buy him. Alternative being staying at Dortmund another year.

He has been putting up good numbers, but still don't have any achievements to leverage in negotiations.
If he's expected to feature about the same as Rashford then it makes sense for them to be paid about the same.

Sancho contract till 2025, that means he can go up to 270-300 by the time he's 23-24. With room above for his next contract at 27.

I think the club will accept Pogba parity with De Gea, but not higher (which is why I said up to 375k). Pogba can leverage is WC-win as well as his performances and brand. Club will use De Gea's loyalty and performance for the club over many years to say why David got so much and why Pogba still has to put in more time to be able to make more than him.
I think you're underestimating the status he's coming to the club with, nevermind what he'll do here to earn more on top at a later date, but we'll hopefully find out one way or another. Perhaps I'm overshooting; to me, superstars in this day and age are hitting high £280k's and north of that. Sancho coming here at the low end of the £200k's would be underselling himself, or perhaps suggest we're the only club he wants to join, which would surprise me (offsetting far more money to choose us), but we'll see.

Hmm... Pogba's real leverage is himself being a potential all-time great and giving us what should be his best years.
 

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Thinking about Kagawa, it was really a weird signing back then. As if we were planning to play with number 10 then decided to screw it and get RVP to play with 2 strikers instead.
Yep, it was like we'd caught a whisper late on that Van Persie was a realistic signing, and all bets were off after that.

It worked though, we bossed the league. But Kagawa was probably screwed from that moment.
 

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:lol: :lol:

Just as well he's off. Commentator's nightmare having Sancho and Sanchez in the same team.
In fairness, the latter goes as Alexis.

I remembered this when thinking maybe i could edit Sanchez to Sancho on an old shirt :lol: :(
 

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Kagawa was screwed by us signing Van Persie, which changed the plan.
Mhky was a central player we tried to change his position, and he spent half a season trying to get his head right.
1. What is the plan?
Kagawa behind Rooney? We didn't plan to get RVP?

2. Mkhi central?
I remember he play across all three positions after Auba at CF there with Dortmund. He's that flexible,skillful and versatile, no problem at any positions. He can even play B2B #8.

Just curious.
 

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I think this transfer is done.

Only haggling point is how and when United will pay the 120 million to Dortmund
 

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Where are the people who said Ole the failed cardiff manager could never attract big players?
 

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Just compare Mkhitaryan's 1st 2 seasons at Dortmund with his last season at Dortmund. That's the answer to why Mkhi wasn't good.
 

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Has @Nou_Camp99 been banned from this thread? Did a search and couldn’t find his posts in this thread.

Would be golden to quote his high and mighty lectures a couple of months ago about how everyone is too stupid to understand this deal would never come to fruition.
I am a big fan of yours prof, what’s your verdict on this transfer?

Anyway onto your friend nou camp.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jad...fabrizio-romano.445165/page-246#post-25609281

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jad...fabrizio-romano.445165/page-215#post-25548039

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jad...fabrizio-romano.445165/page-239#post-25599154

Did you not watch the news @VP89?

It’s strange as from three months period he went from saying just Sancho would do to saying we shouldn’t splash that on one player, but 3 or 4.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jack-grealish.452538/page-52#post-25447587

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jad...fabrizio-romano.445165/page-334#post-25797492
 
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