In this thread? Recently? Ya no doubt, I’ll give you that but that goes hand in hand with the fact there are people who come here after every game good or bad just to say some nonsense which I feel needs to be corrected.
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To be fair, during those years when Ronaldo was catching up, he did won 4 CL titles as tournament top scorer/best player on all occasions, including winning Euro for Portugal along the way. Also, I don't think Messi has ever had a declining year at all, he is probably the most consistent player ever, at the same time the most talented one too.
But I do agree Ronaldo peak during 2008-2014, it was at that time I really think he is truly at GOAT level. After that, its more about goals, stats, success, determination, and having many clutch moment. His 16-17 run in CL, in my opinion, is the probably best ever individual performance in a tournament, since Maradona in 86 WC.
You don’t think messi has declined since 2014? High praise or derision?
I don't think so. I think only Barcelona had declined, with Xavi and Iniesta getting older and leaving the club.
In terms of individual performances, such as goals, assists, average rating (who scored), dribble per games, key pass per game etc he is still more or less at the same level, even today.
See, that sounds good on paper but I've seen 'all contacts' compilations of Cristiano in those games you're talking about multiple times and there's just no way his overall contribution is anywhere near the level of players he fets compared to.
By the way, a player that occupies the box as much as Cristiano gathers many assists, especially if he in general is so good on the ball. Look at Suarez for that matter. But outside of the box, he didn't pose much danger in those KO games you mention. And honestly, I value that so much higher because I think the creation of chances is much more difficult than their conversion in most cases.
Pretty on point I'd say
Yeah, thats pretty much my point. They are both playing for the best clubs in the world, they will have the same amount of trophies give or take a few.
If Messi wins the WC with Argentina on 2022, but he plays very bad during the entire tournament and basically his team bails him out, he wont be magically a better player than what we have already seen on the last 15 years.
If Juventus wins this year's CL with CR7 playing mediocre or just good, but the entire team somehow "clicks" and at the same time the opposite teams fall apart resulting in a Juve win, that wont make CR7 magically a better player than what we have seen in the last 15 years.
Thats my point, they are the players they are, we already know them. Only way CR7 surpasses Messi its if CR7 somehow and for whatever reason starts playing much better than what we have already seen of him, which is a VERY HIGH bar.
He lost a yard of pace, but 2017/2018 and 2018/2019 were out of this world too. Individually he was quite a few tiers above the rest, the charts from those seasons were ridiculous. Its when he started giving those ridiculous passes and nailing the free kicks.
2010 Messi would be the best IMO, so i guess you could say he "declined", but still thats as good as a decline as any player in history could have IMO
Starstruck fans are happy of course, he is still a top 5 player and the idol of many million people worldwide. I am also sure Agnelli appreciates the commercial boost. That said, it is becoming stale like a mid-life convenience marriage and both parties need a fresh start (if the small, irrelevant, monies elephant in tne room is sorted out). If you ask me, I can say that Pirlo and then Tevez were much more instrumental in the footballing department. Allegri is still maligned but he did not get an invitation to his two CL finals, and both games were 1-1 after 60 minutes, not exactly a coaching catastrophe, you know? Fine margins separate winners and losers on the pitch (think of Atletico going even nearer to that much wanted and deserved CL medal, still both times defeated as well, after ET or penalties). Football is more and more entertainment instead of a sport, so who cares once the accounting department is happy? Well, football fans still care, so a fresh start would be welcome, also to drop the ongoing circus surrounding this player. Juventus as a club is bigger than any player because of the very long list of stars and superstars having played for them, so just cut off this sunset boulevard and move on, a new instalment is badly needed.
Ronaldo takes his space, and not exactly a likable player, but he is quality.
And you spoke of fine margins in the CL, you would probably had a different opinion of Ronaldo if the team didnt choke against Ajax and made it to another final, as Ronaldo cant really be faulted much in those knockout rounds, he did just about you could ask of him.
So, from a "footballing" perspective, he did just fine.
But if you get rid, you can at least invest some of that money and wages in new players.
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Terrible in the 1st half against Lyon.
He's as terrible as any other game where Juve is awful. Early in the season he was playing as a left winger basically and creating game for others, now he's there, as per instruction from the coach no less, to receive game and score goals.
He's the only glimmer of hope in the whole team in the first 45 minutes and for the tie. Not only that, it seems he just craves the victory in the tie more than any other of his teammates on the field. Remarkable really, as he has won it 5 times where his teammates have basically nearly all of them won zero.
It's so frustrating for me watching this game, I can only imagine what it must be like for him.
He's the only glimmer of hope in the whole team in the first 45 minutes and for the tie. Not only that, it seems he just craves the victory in the tie more than any other of his teammates on the field. Remarkable really, as he has won it 5 times where his teammates have basically nearly all of them won zero.
It's so frustrating for me watching this game, I can only imagine what it must be like for him.
Amazing goal!
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That was nice
F*cking penaldo my arse
He’s not bad, is he?
What a player.
What a player.
This thread is so weird.
Great goal, vintage Cristiano
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As I said, he's the only glimmer of hope in this team. I have never seen any player like him. Always there when it matters. If Juve fall, it won't have been for him.
It is ALWAYS him. If he can get one more (if Juve score again, it’ll be him), I’m sure he’ll hammer City (most likely) in the next round.
Absolutely brilliant player. GOAT.
Absolutely brilliant player. GOAT.
I mean... he's going to get a third, isn't he? Two goals down in the CL and then he starts charging. In the words of Marty McFly: "Hey! I've seen this one!"
Cuts a very inspirational figure doesn't he?
Any chance he leaves Juve this summer? If he fancies one more crack at the CL, is Juve really the place to be?
Think hes going to leave for PSG, he wants one more CL.
Only PSG can afford him.
no.
Go to PSG and get the easy CL.
Stupid to stay in Juve. He is levels and I mean levels above anyone in Italy or Juve.
Not under Sarri. Dude's crap.
Where else is he going to go? Bayern? Juventus is as good as any club, no matter how bad they were. May well be his last chance has now gone.
PSG would be a good call for him - does Mbappé play up top? Ronaldo/Neymar/Mbappé would be terrifying
Juve dropped the ball. They got him for the CL and for 2 season he scored every goal for them in the knockout stages and he almost did the impossible again this season as he did last.
He needs to leave that club. Lyon have a far superior midfield then them and thats just unacceptable.
He needs to leave that club. Lyon have a far superior midfield then them and thats just unacceptable.
He needs to leave. Juventus haven't improved with him. I don't even think a new manager will do it due to the amount of static crap they have in that side
Hell would probably freeze over before Bayern pays someone 60M per year.
Tuchel is another manager I really don't think would suit Ronaldo's style. Neymar and Mbappe are far more suitable to PSG's system. I think he made a mistake leaving Madrid, though their decline was beginning to become obvious, so I'm not sure where else he could have really went.
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