Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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If the deal is dead, which i doubt it will be, you know for a fact that United would send a brief out saying they were ending interest. There is no way, with rumours of Zorc wanting to release an official comment tomorrow, that United wouldn't put something out before he has the chance to say something.

If the deal was dead or the deadline was truly that firm that a deal wouldn't be reached, or couldn't be reached, then a brief would have gone out tonight before Dortmund even had chance to say anything on the matter.
There's been radio silence from our journalists for days, whatever's going on from our end we're keeping it very close to the chest.
 

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Their contacts are agents and representatives of players and clubs. Not the clubs themselves. It's clear as day that Romano has very well connected sources.
Why Sancho’s agent would send info to some third tier journo like Romano? It makes as much sense as deciding to post that info on the car.

I admit that at times they might know something, but for the majority of transfers they are simply guessing. The smart ones like Romano do not commit that often, and are ‘yeah, they are negotiating etc’.
 

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Di Marzio really lost credibility with his Neymar nonsense last summer. He confirmed the deal to Barcelona is done and it turned out to be utter nonsense. He really isn't reliable at all.
You know people are allowed to get a Transfer wrong at some point? There have been transfers in the past that have been dead certs which then fall through for a multiple of reasons.
 

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Agreed.

And United, unlike other clubs, don't issue club statements until deals are done.

We do use the media to release narratives but don't see that happening either.

As always, these sagas take time and our resident muppets need to show patience.



Why wouldn't he?

Has our fanbase not learned from previous transfer sagas.
Of course they haven't, hence why there will still be a meltdown.
 

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There's been radio silence from our journalists for days, whatever's going on from our end we're keeping it very close to the chest.
Exactly, hence why I dont think its dead. We definitely would have released something by now if it was. We did the same with Dybala, yes we couldn't agree personal terms, but we made sure that a brief was put out saying we'd walked away.
 
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Tomorrow is the day when everyone's hopes come crashing back down to earth. Thankfully I've already braced myself for the inevitable.
Arbitrary, made up deadline. Doesn’t matter if that passes, it’s honestly irrelevant.

Have you ever known a club refuse a transfer with nearly 2 months of the transfer window left? No.

If the window was slamming shut in a week or a couple of days, then this would be a credible threat, but it’s not, and it’s not.
 

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Di Marzio really lost credibility with his Neymar nonsense last summer. He confirmed the deal to Barcelona is done and it turned out to be utter nonsense. He really isn't reliable at all.
Sure. When they commit they feck up, cause they don’t know much. It is just guessing. I mean how it does make sense for clubs/agents to leak deals that are worth 100m+ (which might be done under NDAs etc) to some twitter celebrity for no reason at all? Let’s just use logic please.
 

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Di Marzio really lost credibility with his Neymar nonsense last summer. He confirmed the deal to Barcelona is done and it turned out to be utter nonsense. He really isn't reliable at all.
He's very reliable when it comes to United. That's all that matters.
 

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"no official contact" means jack shit because the negotations are done through intermediates.
I'm sure he's tweeted many times in this saga that 'the two clubs are in negotiations.' In fact he did so once or twice today.

This is how these idiots make a living, people accept their half arsed bullsh*t answers when they are proved wrong.
 

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Even if he comes on tomorrow and says he's staying, it won't the end of this saga. Won't be the first player to actually leave after his club announces he's staying.
Yea they've issued numerous public denials during all of their most recent high profile big money sales up until they receive an offer they deem reasonable.

This whole deadline business little over a week and a half into our transfer window smells of them trying to control the narrative and not come across as the selling club that they are.

Does anyone truly believe they'd refuse and offer of 100m+ with most up front just because it's past August 10th when there's about 2 months left in the window?
 

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We were never going to pay their asking price and they were never going to lower it.
I agree with this. At the moment neither side is going to back down. We can’t meet the asking price as it makes us look weak again after a strong briefing saying we wouldn’t and they’ve been adamant no discount and no sale after 10th August. The only thing that changes all this is Sancho forcing a move through. And I just think with the briefings about how he’s super happy to stay, that they expect him on the plane and how he’s so professional, and now the news of a statement tomorrow announcing he’s not being sold it’s like they’re trying to bait Sancho into doing something.
 

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Some journos might know more than others, but this idea that Romano (or a couple of years back Di Marzio) know what the clubs are exactly discussing, that BVB wants 90+30m while United only offers 80+40m is ridiculous. Why on Earth clubs would tell some no name journo who made the career on Twitter those kind of things. For most transfers they are as useless as indykalia. Often the clubs might leak some information for various reasons, and at the very rare cases they might really know something (Di Marzio for Darmian signing, probably having some inside info in Parma), but mostly they are just making educated guesses.
This is exactly what I'm getting at, and why I argued earlier in this thread that believing half of these journo's is akin to believing the ITK's on reddit. They. know. nothing. Imo.
 

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Yes, but we might think the deal isnt dead, while he is in reality. If Dortmund say we dont sell now, the deal is dead. Even if we try for weeks.
I'm fairly certain United wouldn't waste their time pursuing a player that they know theyre not going to get. We'd have briefed for sure that were moving on and no longer looking at Sancho.

I know Woody is a bad negotiator, but he's definitely more for saving face, which if this deal fails for any reason, he'd brief before Dortmund even had chance to put together any comment.
 

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If this deal doesn't happen I'm officially done as a muppet, broken forever and will start hanging with a group of nuns instead.
 

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I agree with this. At the moment neither side is going to back down. We can’t meet the asking price as it makes us look weak again after a strong briefing saying we wouldn’t and they’ve been adamant no discount and no sale after 10th August. The only thing that changes all this is Sancho forcing a move through. And I just think with the briefings about how he’s super happy to stay, that they expect him on the plane and how he’s so professional, and now the news of a statement tomorrow announcing he’s not being sold it’s like they’re trying to bait Sancho into doing something.
Isn’t he always getting in trouble at Dortmund? He’s hardly been professional during his time there, I mean he is a young kid, but still.
 

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So what are you going to talk about, Zorc? like anybody gives a shit really. There have been so many cases of player transfer happening after denial from the club.
 

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Some journos might know more than others, but this idea that Romano (or a couple of years back Di Marzio) know what the clubs are exactly discussing, that BVB wants 90+30m while United only offers 80+40m is ridiculous. Why on Earth clubs would tell some no name journo who made the career on Twitter those kind of things. For most transfers they are as useless as indykalia. Often the clubs might leak some information for various reasons, and at the very rare cases they might really know something (Di Marzio for Darmian signing, probably having some inside info in Parma), but mostly they are just making educated guesses.
TBF, I may be wrong, but I don't think Romano has ever gone into detail in regards to the fees being discussed. His stance has been quite consistent throughout, that it's a big transfer, which is 100m+ and both the clubs are in talks in regards to the details.
 

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We were never going to pay their asking price and they were never going to lower it. This deal was doomed from the start and the brief was there to lower expectations a while ago. Another summer without a RW
Have to agree with this, something seems off with this deal, there was hope from my part a fee would be agreed, but I had a feeling neither teams would budge. Covid 19, big fee, stubborness, other targets in mind etc etc a long list that easily could kill this deal at anytime. It's frustrating but realistic to think we may go another year without a RW
 

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If this deal doesn't happen I'm officially done as a muppet, broken forever and will start hanging with a group of nuns instead.
Don’t worry, you can camp out in the Kingsley Coman thread until you start to feel better.
lol
 

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If this deal doesn't happen I'm officially done as a muppet, broken forever and will start hanging with a group of nuns instead.
As long as Sancho tells BVB that he is not signing a contract, the deal will be done. Next year he would be 6 months from being able to negotiate a free transfer, and BVB is not going to risk it. Especially not with the pandemic with every club losing money, I cannot see them deciding to keep Sancho which would cost them 50m. They screwed it up with Lewandovski once, not making the same mistake again.

It might go for ages though with both clubs trying to negotiate better terms. But it will inevitably happen.
 

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So what are you going to talk about, Zorc? like anybody gives a shit really. There have been so many cases of player transfer happening after denial from the club.
:lol:

Probably just a face saving exercise. Nobody gave two fecks about their deadline.
 

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If this deal doesn't happen I'm officially done as a muppet, broken forever and will start hanging with a group of nuns instead.
The inevitable Haaland saga in a couple of years will bring you back from the dead. Kermit won't let you go that easily.
 

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I find it very unlikely they'd come out to deny he's leaving, only for them to still be content with him leaving. They've spent this whole summer trying to look like they 'won' and that they weren't pushovers, especially with the recent comments Bayern made about them. They would look weak as feck to come out and publically, in a presser, say he wasn't leaving, only for him to leave. I don't see it happening if that's the results of the announcement imo.
 

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:lol:

Probably just a face saving exercise. Nobody gave two fecks about their deadline.
Almost certain they're trying to put on the look of being a strong club that won't get bullied after Bayern officials and legends took repeated public shots at them about being a selling club basically earlier this month.

They cried foul in response and since we've seen the huffing and puffing in the press like we haven't seen that song and dance every window with them when they have an in demand player :lol:
 

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So what are you going to talk about, Zorc? like anybody gives a shit really. There have been so many cases of player transfer happening after denial from the club.
SAF himself said he wouldn't sell Real a virus, they still signed Ronaldo eventually. It's just posturing but the only thing I'm worried about is Dortmund haven't been significantly linked with a replacement.

Also, wasn't it the local Dortmund paper that said that the deadline could be extended until the 20th? Some serious mixed messages being banded about.
 

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I agree with this. At the moment neither side is going to back down. We can’t meet the asking price as it makes us look weak again after a strong briefing saying we wouldn’t and they’ve been adamant no discount and no sale after 10th August. The only thing that changes all this is Sancho forcing a move through. And I just think with the briefings about how he’s super happy to stay, that they expect him on the plane and how he’s so professional, and now the news of a statement tomorrow announcing he’s not being sold it’s like they’re trying to bait Sancho into doing something.
Or, and get this, hear me out, it makes us looks like we won’t pay over the odds, therefore not making us look weak.
 

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We won't.
I’m not so sure. The best thing Ed and co could do for the next few deals is be decisive. Get in pay the money and get a fecking class player And get out. It’s not a lot of money over 5 years for a club of our size even taking covid into consideration. Why do we always have to try and look too clever. Just do the fecking deal. Clubs must look at us and think here come these idiots this is going to take ages and be front and back page news for weeks. It’s Dortmund’s best player. More power to them if they stand firm. If he stays beyond this summer I bet he signs a new mega deal with the promise he’ll be let go next summer for yes you guessed it. 120 million.
 

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Seeing the flood of "United have cooled their interest in Antoine Griezmann" Tweets will haunt me forever.
Yeah it hurt me back then. Was 100% convinced he's ours. All people saying he's a United fan..etc. Urgh, dreadful.
 

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Not saying you’re chatting shit, nor your pal (because I do think this will be done soon anyway), but this implies that German media and Dortmund have agreed to keep it quiet, because?
They also need to say they won the posturing fight and didn’t bend over? Who knows
 
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