Now I really want us to get him
. Just face the fact that your Zorc is notorious for talking an awful load of shit. Aubamayang’s tweet regarding him isn’t exactly very flattering.Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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. Just face the fact that your Zorc is notorious for talking an awful load of shit. Aubamayang’s tweet regarding him isn’t exactly very flattering.Every day is Sancho day
I'd be disappointed if Ole has too much of a 'nice guy' attitude about it. Fergie took advantage of players doing it when it was needed, although it wasn't something we went out of our way to do consistently (like what Real and Barca do). But sometimes if we really want a player and their club is being unreasonable I'm all for the player causing a scene.
I wonder what young talents think if Dortmund refuse to let Sancho go. I'd be very hesitant to sign for them without a buyout clause if I was a talent like Dembele, Sancho, Bellingham, Reyna, Haaland etc.
Just a Dortmund mouthpiece now.
Exactly this, they have based their entire transfer strategy and allure for young players in exactly this. Haaland and Bellingham would never go there if they werent told they could leave , same with Sancho.
Its just so annyoing for them to pretend otherwise.
And also, why are they constantly saying and leaking he is staying?
Can we put the nail in the coffin now lads?
We should not, we should look at other options rather than wait till the last day of the window. I get the impression that Sancho would like to come back to England but at the moment he only has one potential club. However, wait another year and he might have more options and feels like he would rather wait. There is no indication that he is desperate to play for us.
Its about time.
There's not really a good or bad answer to this.
Sancho is extremely talented young player who can play across all the forward line. A forward line made up of Greenwood, Rashford, Martial and Jadon is worth gold business wise. United will build this up and we'll be raking loads of money for the next decade or so. It also happens to be England's forward line as well which means that the three lions brand will be working for us as well. So Sancho is worth 120m and the fact that its broken up in instalments makes him a bit of a bargain as well.
However I can understand United's POV as well. We can't blow all our budget on Sancho as we've got no quality strength in depth, Maguire require a decent partner and we've got no LB.
Ideally we'll have cash reserved for seriously talented young players who are set to become gold mines market wise. We had that when we bought Rooney a few years back. If not then its time we recoup some money by making some serious decisions. For example is it worth keeping Lindelof even though he's squad player at best? Is it worth keeping both McT and Fred even though they struggle to play in the DM role and will never be able to cover Pogba/Bruno? These are the sort of players that may rake money to the club.
Sancho is extremely talented young player who can play across all the forward line. A forward line made up of Greenwood, Rashford, Martial and Jadon is worth gold business wise. United will build this up and we'll be raking loads of money for the next decade or so. It also happens to be England's forward line as well which means that the three lions brand will be working for us as well. So Sancho is worth 120m and the fact that its broken up in instalments makes him a bit of a bargain as well.
However I can understand United's POV as well. We can't blow all our budget on Sancho as we've got no quality strength in depth, Maguire require a decent partner and we've got no LB.
Ideally we'll have cash reserved for seriously talented young players who are set to become gold mines market wise. We had that when we bought Rooney a few years back. If not then its time we recoup some money by making some serious decisions. For example is it worth keeping Lindelof even though he's squad player at best? Is it worth keeping both McT and Fred even though they struggle to play in the DM role and will never be able to cover Pogba/Bruno? These are the sort of players that may rake money to the club.
I’ve never heard anyone complain about the northern Irish accent !
WHY do Dortmund care so much about this that they have to pay Jan Farts like this? so desperate. So stupid really. I would be blaming Ed just like most people are doing, if this is a normal window but it's not. The circumstance make it easy to see why we're not so reckless about spending money for ONE player.
Now let me ask you something, would you buy an expensive, fancy house right now? you wouldn't, if it will take up most of your money.
This looks unsigned, undelivered, not ours. Don't expect this to change either. Shame.
Not until Simon Stone/Fabrizio Romano says so
I listened If we only get Sancho I think we’ll be under pressure for top 3 next season , he goes on about discounts in the club which I bought up to the ticket office before renewal. I guess their take is they’re losing enough money already.
Enjoyed the comments on Douglas Costa “ They must be watching more porn than I am”
What’s wrong with him ? Seemed very twitchy and struggling with some of his speech ?
I wish Borussia Dortmund would feck off, And I hope we never have to deal with them again.
Until now, I only wanted this to happen because it would vastly improve us, but now I also desperately want it to happen just to see Dortmund have to somehow justify selling him. After all this talk from their camp, it'd be hilarious.
.Not until Simon Stone/Fabrizio Romano says so
Didn't Fab also say he wouldn't be surprised to see it fall through because he can't see us paying the price?
As I understood it he said he could see it would be very difficult for us paying 120 million euro in one go .
So what that means is paying 120 million euro up-front, e.g. no installments or delayed payments.
If thats really what Dortmund wants I would agree it wont be likely, and to be honest we shouldnt do that.
But that seems like a very unlikely demand, and as of now he is saying we are still talking to Dortmund.
If that house helps you get more money next year then what? If you don't move house you could lose out on revenue, how about that?
Spend £100m on Sancho and have a talent for 10 years or not spend it and have the same squad as last season.
If you can get your fancy house which is 90% of what you want for the price, you have the money, you will buy it because you know next year when you go to buy it there may be others wanting to buy it. You have now messed with the buyer this year, you think the buyer will be like oh yes you were here last year, I will give you first choice?
So then you not only lose the house, one of your rivals gets it and makes money of it whilst you lick your wounds.
Desperate is to still believe anything that Fjortoft says after he's "reported" every possible outcome of this saga.
don't get offended when he is just telling what his opinion is. When he was telling you what you liked a couple of days ago he was not a ''Dortmund mouthpiece'', nothing changed in couple of days. Realization is just kicking in for a lot of people. Dortmund has been saying the same thing since this saga started, it's just that the Fjortofts of the world are now ''translating'' it differently. Our players and leaders were sending info since last year to Sancho that we want you, Sancho thought that our interest was real. So he probably spoke with Dortmund and they said that you can leave when we get 120 million. When Ed offered 60 million euros and wage cut for Sancho, everybody on their side realized that we are not serious. Rashford etc were not lying to Sancho. They just didnt know that Ed would go with lowball offer trying to fleece Dortmund. It's still amazes me that Ed has been running our transfer business for 8 years and he still doesn't understand transfer business.When we are building things in our port, we take 4-5 offers from builders. and when 4 offers are for 1 mil and 1 offer is 2,5 million, then we say that is called polite refusal. They still made the offer, they want to next time make the offer, but not this time.
The fact that they are repeatedly saying it isn’t a strategy tells me it’s likely to be a strategy. There isn’t really much point in doing it to pressure us into paying full price and then 4 days later admitting it’s a sodding strategy is there? In order for it to work they have to sell it and go all in and they’ve certainly done that. It’s all been very coordinated.
However, until Sancho announces he’s staying this story keeps running. The fact he hasn’t doesn’t mean he’s joining though, if I was team Sancho and Dortmund were refusing to sell me because of some completely arbitrary deadline/unrealistic post COVID fee I’d be asking for another pay rise before I committed in the same vain as last year. More money and a promise to sell for a set price next year. Either sell me or give me a pay rise would be what I’d be telling Dortmund. As we know this whole thing now is down to Sancho.
However, until Sancho announces he’s staying this story keeps running. The fact he hasn’t doesn’t mean he’s joining though, if I was team Sancho and Dortmund were refusing to sell me because of some completely arbitrary deadline/unrealistic post COVID fee I’d be asking for another pay rise before I committed in the same vain as last year. More money and a promise to sell for a set price next year. Either sell me or give me a pay rise would be what I’d be telling Dortmund. As we know this whole thing now is down to Sancho.
There's a very real possibility that Dortmund do indeed mean what they say. It more or less makes sense and adds up.
Yes, the constant denials are a bit unnecessary, but like multiple posters mentioned, they get asked the question and answer rather consistently that he's staying. They can hardly dodge the question, can they?
I'm not saying it will or will not happen, I have no idea. But I'm a bit confused by the insistence of some in this thread that Dortmund are just playing games. They could be, they could be serious. Of course the muppet in me wants to think they're waiting for us to pay up, but not sure I'd be convinced of that stance if I was a neutral.
There's also the scenario that Sancho would indeed like to join us, hence no "I stay" message, but Dortmund being stubborn anyway. They don't have to sell right now unless Sancho kicks up a fuss, which seems doubtful at best.
Maybe there's the simple fact we dont have the funds available, so we cannot pay up, even if we wanted.
Toning down the hostility towards other fans would also be nice, most of the Dortmund or Bundesliga lads in here make very valid points about this transfer. One dude rubbing it in aside of course, but you know who you are.
Yes, the constant denials are a bit unnecessary, but like multiple posters mentioned, they get asked the question and answer rather consistently that he's staying. They can hardly dodge the question, can they?
I'm not saying it will or will not happen, I have no idea. But I'm a bit confused by the insistence of some in this thread that Dortmund are just playing games. They could be, they could be serious. Of course the muppet in me wants to think they're waiting for us to pay up, but not sure I'd be convinced of that stance if I was a neutral.
There's also the scenario that Sancho would indeed like to join us, hence no "I stay" message, but Dortmund being stubborn anyway. They don't have to sell right now unless Sancho kicks up a fuss, which seems doubtful at best.
Maybe there's the simple fact we dont have the funds available, so we cannot pay up, even if we wanted.
Toning down the hostility towards other fans would also be nice, most of the Dortmund or Bundesliga lads in here make very valid points about this transfer. One dude rubbing it in aside of course, but you know who you are.
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Exactly, was only a few weeks when his “source” said Sancho was “VERY” likely to leave and his next club was “VERY” likely to be United.
I’m less confident than I was a few weeks ago when it seemed like a matter of time but we’ve had a few days now of non-news now where I’m not paying much attention to these updates.
I think we won’t get any concrete information now (mass briefing) until after the Europa has finished.
Manchester City sold him for less than £10m. When Sancho joined Dortmund, he wasn't a fraction of the player he is now. I don't think your argument is a major consideration for emerging players who want to make it big in the top leagues.
At 17 years, Sancho would have been happy getting game-time in the first team of Dortmund, let alone planning to engineer a move away from the club in a few years' time.
Why does Sancho need to declare anything? We've not even bid.
It’s not a notion I agree with and other clubs manage to sign players whilst the season is ongoing and some can manage multiple deals at the same time BUT over the years it’s become clear we’re not one of those teams, we dither and only seem to do business when the season is over.
I’d like nothing more for Woodward and Judge to be out there working on deals for players that Ole wants in March/April so once the season is over we announce them officially and they’re part of our full pre season and intergrated into the squad when the season starts BUT neither Woodward or Judge are competent to deal with the on pitch aspect of things especially when the season is still going.
It's not that Dortmund are refusing to let Sancho go, they're refusing to let him go on the cheap.
What did the kids at Man United think when you didn't immediately sell De Gea or Ronaldo? They were probably proud to be a club who knew their own worth.
Only if you assume everything is certain, that Sancho will definitely be a success, that the covid - no fans in the stadium situation will end soon, that rivals want a player in his position and have the cash to do it, that there isn't other 'must buy' options in a year's time etc.
The logic says Dortmund won't sell him. We need to take emotion out of this and look at the facts.
- He's signed a huge contract until 2023
- They are under zero pressure to sell
- It benefits to keep him because his value will only increase
- Transfers will likely be at a more pre covid level in a years time hence they can get their valuation for him
We have to make assumptions on things. Me and you wont know the answer. The club hires financial experts to draw models on the effects of Covid.
So if the models have come back and said, due to Covid we cannot afford him, then move on. which is what is the worry for me, if you have so many doubts, then pursue other avenues of getting players.
It's pretty obvious Sancho wants to leave.
Just imagine if he actually wanted to stay. Surely he would be backing up what the owners and his teammates were saying by committing his future to Dortmund. Plus, you can't even say he's withholding saying anything because of his contract negotiations because he got an extension and pay rise last year. He could easily put an end to the speculation by saying he was staying if he truly wanted to stay.
Same on United's end. If we felt that there was no possibility of Sancho wanting to come or that Dortmund would sell, they would be so quick to shut down the transfer news to save face. It's almost got to a point where they have to sign him to avoid embarrassment.
I'm so confident that this is going to happen before the deadline. Not sure when but it will happen.
Just imagine if he actually wanted to stay. Surely he would be backing up what the owners and his teammates were saying by committing his future to Dortmund. Plus, you can't even say he's withholding saying anything because of his contract negotiations because he got an extension and pay rise last year. He could easily put an end to the speculation by saying he was staying if he truly wanted to stay.
Same on United's end. If we felt that there was no possibility of Sancho wanting to come or that Dortmund would sell, they would be so quick to shut down the transfer news to save face. It's almost got to a point where they have to sign him to avoid embarrassment.
I'm so confident that this is going to happen before the deadline. Not sure when but it will happen.
End this madness for the Caf's sanity!
To kill the story. Every day someone connected with Dortmund says how happy they are he’s staying and the deadline isn’t a strategy. Why would they be doing that if there was nothing going on? All this noise and uncertainty suits nobody.
It’s absolutely hilarious the double standards in this place. If this was Pogba with Madrid and everything with Sancho had happened and there were repeated will he/won’t he news stories about him and reliable sources saying he wants to leave and has agreed terms with advanced negotiations taking place between the clubs you can bet your life savings everyone in this forum would be convinced he was going, calling him every name under the sun and demanding he announce he’s staying with a ‘Glory Glory Man United’ tattoo on his forehead.
It looked like booze addiction to me that, could be wrong though.
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