I think it was sammsky
for some reason I mix them up.Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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for some reason I mix them up.Something about attack the post not the poster... and keep it civil?
I think your right @sammsky1 that's the one.I think it was sammsky
I followed Government advice so it really didn’t really matter what people on a football forum were saying, which was wrong information in any case.
Btw Phuket has never ever been a ‘hotspot’. They had 5 cases whilst I was there and only 220 cases since.
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I'm thankfully not from UK so not me.
What are you wittering on about? He was talking about PPE standards being different in other European countries. Such as masks being mandatory in schools whereas in England they are not.
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My apologies, I was close though.
What were you even trying to prove with this post? It's utterly pointless.
according to the other poster any employee should be able to force employers to default to any advice given by any other government because despite being unqualified they feel its safer... seems a crazy position to me because as i say it leads to the trump analogy - better that uk employers follow uk government advice and uk legal processes stick to the same uk advice
That is not at all what I said, are you incapable of basic comprehension skills? (I’ll answer for you: yes, evidently).
You could quote this as a reply to pretty much every single post he’s ever made in this thread.
Or any thread.
I'm almost certainly more Centrist (gross, right?) than the likes of @Dobba, @BobbyManc but I'm questioning what Starmer's doing now. Whatever it is it isn't working.
It’s impossible to criticise him on here cos apparently Corbyn was unelectable or something and we should all get over it. But much of what I’ve been saying has been about strategy as much as principle. Hilariously but expectedly, his fans completely evaded Campbell’s criticism because they couldn’t dismiss that as bitter leftie laments.
Yeah I’m starting to think the same. I didn’t mind during the height of the pandemic as I don’t think the public would have (rightly or wrongly) took well to Labour being critical at that time, but there’s feck all opposition really going on at the moment following own goal after own goal by the Tories. I semi-understand the idea of let your opponents dig their own grave, but Labour need to oppose and shift the narrative, rather than what they’re doing now (not a lot).
The A-Level stuff was an incredible missed opportunity. It was clear which way the wind was blowing. Instead Starmer put his energy into a Daily Mail article where he made the reopening of schools, a completely secondary issue atm, the centrepiece (basically pissing over unions instead of the Tories, great stuff). He could have taken the lead in calling for a different response, pointed out the foresight they should have had from Scotland, the hypocrisy of Tory MPs who mocked Scotland for the same policy, and emphasised how unfair it was to the regular working and middle class children. Easy crowd-pleasing politics.
Totally agree. If this is a taste of Labours communications strategy under Starmer then there is going to be alot of missed opportunities. They may as well get Alastair Campbell in! Because their finger is so far off the pulse they could check which way the wind is blowing.
The whole first half of the article is about A-levels. It called for a different response by returning to teacher assessments
Referenced the foresight they should have had from Scotland
Emphasised how unfair it was to the regular working and middle class children
...none of which was adequately communicated, with the focus in the press entirely on the headline and his opening tweet that focused on how schools must reopen no ifs no buts etc. How many people are actually going to read the article in the Mail? It’s not good enough. He’s been virtually invisible the past couple of days, a point voiced by many on the left and the centre.
Wednesday (before the results were released)
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Thursday - speaks to students in a red wall ex-Labour seat
Friday - calls for a return to teacher assessments
I admit, I don't watch much 24 hour news so you may know more on how much coverage they got there, but I really don't think it's fair to say he hadn't adequately communicated his view because of a different line on a tweet on Sunday.
A few pretty toothless tweets and an article in the Mail with a different focus has meant he’s gone basically unnoticed since the debacle unfolded, and it’s been brewing for a while. Has Starmer been visible throughout this as a vociferous opponent? No. And there’s a reason there’s a lot of questioning coming even from people like Campbell.
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It's a genius strategy designed to make them look anything from incompetent to blatantly corrupt come the next election. I'm sure Keith has got a pinky promise from Johnson that he'll not mention how ridiculous it is for Sir Keith to think that of ministers and advisers but also be perfectly fine with them staying in their posts for 4 more years, when they get to the GE debate stage.
I have no issue with the questioning of Starmer and why labour's not doing better in the polls
Yes absolutely we have a large tory majority and support in the country and nobody expects it flip so quickly but they've had so many ways they should be more vociferous as an opposition with the government u-turns and pandemic response. A more leftist government would have the centrists being questioned at this stage why they're not doing better.
There doesn't appear to be an overarching or long term strategy evident as to how they'll combat the tories either. It was inevitable that labour would move to the centre but needing to not disenfranchise leftist voters into turning to Lib dem/green while gaining back those that defected tory. Not an easy balance but not capitalising adequately on government incompetence is worrying. Daily Mail columns won't change this. I think playing-the-long-game weak Milibandish centrism isn't the 4D chess Starmer thinks it might be. But willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, for now.
Yes absolutely we have a large tory majority and support in the country and nobody expects it flip so quickly but they've had so many ways they should be more vociferous as an opposition with the government u-turns and pandemic response. A more leftist government would have the centrists being questioned at this stage why they're not doing better.
There doesn't appear to be an overarching or long term strategy evident as to how they'll combat the tories either. It was inevitable that labour would move to the centre but needing to not disenfranchise leftist voters into turning to Lib dem/green while gaining back those that defected tory. Not an easy balance but not capitalising adequately on government incompetence is worrying. Daily Mail columns won't change this. I think playing-the-long-game weak Milibandish centrism isn't the 4D chess Starmer thinks it might be. But willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, for now.
The government just had to perform a humiliating u-turn on a policy that enraged parents across the country. And apparently that’s a Labour fail? Erm, ok then..
Quick tip here - maybe don't get annoyed about criticism of the Labour leader after you've clicked on the Kier Starmer thread.
I think the concern is, if the new Labour strategy cannot capitalise enough and make gains from massive Government errors then their strategy may be too soft.
Make gains on what though? Opinion polls?
When the government mess up and embarrass themselves, Labour are more likely to win votes. They don’t have to be standing there screaming about how it was purely down to them that it happened.
Seriously guys, Labour are not in a strong position. The more visible their criticism, the more it becomes a Tory vs Labour fight and Labour aren’t likely to win many of those once the media are forced to take sides. When it’s Tory vs common sense though, Labour win anyway.
No ifs, no buts.
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Bang on correct.
The Tories just don't understand that when you are in a hole, stop digging.
But they continue to dig like there is no tomorrow, which is fun to watch.
the last thing id be doing is calling for Gavin Williams to be sacked - It gives the government an easy option to pin the blame on him draw a line under it and move on - let him and the issue stay in focus as long as possible
Not that interested in wading into the debate, but, as an outsider, the opposition now seems to be entirely that.
They wheel out an appropriate MP, or Starmer himself, who simply says "We disagree, there should be an enquiry", without any idea what they would do differently.
It's difficult enough negotiating this pandemic as it is, without useless, and unhelpful, comments on every single thing, like this. It's like a Monty Python sketch.
I still think he looks like Greg Davies, btw.
They wheel out an appropriate MP, or Starmer himself, who simply says "We disagree, there should be an enquiry", without any idea what they would do differently.
It's difficult enough negotiating this pandemic as it is, without useless, and unhelpful, comments on every single thing, like this. It's like a Monty Python sketch.
I still think he looks like Greg Davies, btw.
Yet Starmer was criticised for exactly the opposite a few months back when he gave Boris space to govern during a difficult period.
Criticised by whom, his own side I suspect?
It's only my personal viewpoint, as an outsider, not that I'm pro the other lot, I hasten to add, it's just that I'm particularly anti this lot.
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Absolutely right.
He is far better remaining in the cabinet and continuing to display his lack of capabilities.
Boris has backed him so that proves what an abysmal judge of character he is.
It's pretty grim for Labour and despite the shit show from the Conservatives over the past 6 months, the fact they are still leading shows how little confidence people have in the Labour party. The fact SNP get so many seats in Scotland also takes away from the Labour count, so I can't see Labour winning any elections anytime soon. A depressing thought.