Lionel Messi
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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By the way, I wonder if this will affect his Barca legendary state as he asked and wanted to leave, the same way people here keep saying Rooney's legendary state was affected by the fact he asked to leave twice?
Yeah clearly. Kind of proves Messi 100% right about Bartomeau really, he's just saving face, knows he's on the way out, and doesn't care about the club.
It's not too difficult to see why he wanted to leave. But the crazy part is calling out Bartomeu in public like that. In what world can an employee talk shite about his boss publicly and still keep his job?
Wasn’t it a Barcelona executive who recently said that Manchester United has become a joke of a football club? Around 2 or 3 months ago?
He was elected democratically to his post. I guess its kind of like someone in government calling Boris a knob.
The players are the project though. Wasn't the context of this was that Valverede was getting stick from the fans and Messi was trying to defend him by saying the players aren't good enough? I guess he was right cause after Valverde was sacked, the results got worse.
I think it was just someone running for the Barcelona president election. Still a clown himself.
In a world where said employee is far more important to the enterprise than the boss.
And so so so much better at his job
Thanks buddy! That’s a great question. I know Messi wanted Xavi to take over when Setien was let go, and I imagine Xavi will be here sooner than later. New elections are in March, so I imagine Laporta will have a couple months to convince Messi of the sporting project moving forward. It’ll be tough though because if Barca look like they’re nowhere close to being even CL semi-finalists I could see him wanting to do a year or two at City. He just looks so miserable right now. I hope Koeman can do something, we needed a no nonsense manager. We also have such a tough opening group of fixtures to start the season that I could see tempers flaring if Barca come out of the gates slow.
I hope Messi stays, but if he only has 2-3 years left I don’t know if he’ll stick around for a rebuild. Just not enough time. In his interview today he even said its time for the team to move on from him, his time was over, so the youth can play. Pretty telling, but maybe he’ll feel better in a few months if the season becomes a pleasant surprise.
Your last sentence is where I disagree. If you quit a job at a place you love - this is how you go about it.
You inform the head of the organisation, and make sure it creates the least impact on everyone around. In the context of a football club, the best way to do this is after the season is over. It's not an ideal world where sending a transfer request would stay between Messi and the board. It would derail the end of season and he would be blamed for putting the club in crisis when they were chasing 2 trophies. The 8-2 would have been all about him having betrayed the team.
On the lawyers point, if you see the video he still feels the contract can he interpreted as end of season. He can go to court against Barca to enforce his rights. But, he does not want to be in court against Barca as that was never his intention. He will play another year and then leave on a free.
In a world where the employee knows the employee is right. Barto is facing corruption charges right now.
Spot on!
Rumours have it Barto is going around town like he won a huge victory and saved the club.
messi has no say on the signings contrary to popular belief. He didn’t care for bringing over griezmann, coutinho or dembele. The only time he pressured the board was to try and bring back neymar.
If it were up to messi he would’ve tried to bring over Aguero, and it let go of Fabregas. And Suarez would stay at the club until he was 60.
I called it.
for Barca standards they’ve know had 3 straight seasons in CL with some of the most humiliating losses inn European history. The issue isn’t just losing. It’s like Messi said himself, it’s about being competitive. And it’s always a one man show where Barca has multiple CL seasons where Own Goal was the second leading scorer. He’s absolutely right.
Does setien keep his job if he wins the league or copa del rey? They have repeatedly suffered absolutely horrendous exits in CL especially for last 3 years. Watching them has been like watching a messi+10 team , if he doesn't turn up, no one else does either. I read a stat a while ago that said Own goals was the 2nd highest scorer for barca after messi in CL for last 2-3 years.
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You called it for all the wrong reasons. Messi retiring from Argentina (without Missing any games) in the heat of the moment is far different than this. He’s been wanting to leave all season long and told the board multiple times. To say you weren’t convinced he’ll leave like Messi was bluffing is a bit facetious. He genuinely was leaving, I mean legally putting in the fax was as serious as it gets. He just couldn’t take it to court on top of Barca completely refusing to negotiate. This has nothing to do with an emotional response, he’s had a lot of time to think about it. He himself felt pretty convinced he was going to be able to leave. Just that the insane board refused to negotiate in good faith
Did he? I only heard he wanted to win another UCL, never heard anything about ballon dors.
this was a brilliant find! When he went off on Matteo I died of laughter hahahaTweet
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I don’t know if this video has been shared anywhere already but I’m in hystericsIncredible stuff.
Messi has such a ridiculously weak mentality.
Sure.
So you are saying he should have fought a court case which would have obviously taken longer than the transfer period, and end up nowhere?
Yes, that's why he's had such a poor career. This thread is a hilarious read.The Catalan Ben Shapiro.
Whose his best friend?
His stance in the interview that he wants to step aside for youth at barca and New ideas etc doesn't add up when he wants to go for free. If he wanted to leave barca on a good note then he should at least get them 200 million not use some clause on contract and jump for free.
He has gone down few levels imo, he will suffer loss of love from Barca fans imo
He has gone down few levels imo, he will suffer loss of love from Barca fans imo
Not really. You said he’s staying but none of your stated reasons are the reason.
You’re making it out like it’s his choice to stay or he has had a change of heart. He has no choice in the matter. Not so billy big bollox after all
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Wow, I don’t get why people post stuff like this. For the hundredth time he never wanted to leave on a free. He talked to them all year about leaving. City would’ve made a bid of around 100-150M. The board refused to sell for anything less then 700M. Messi was in the right.
spot on
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Reports going round saying that Messi told Pep that he was the only manager of a project that ‘could help his ambition of winning Balon Dor two more times’.
Don't know if Messi is the GOAT in football, but he's definitely one of the GOATs among footballers in being inoffensive and attracting sympathy alright
The fact is Barca need to rebuild and they are never going to do that with Messi in the dressing room. I am not going to speculate his real reason for staying but his whole "I'm not suing my beloved Barca..." act I'm not buying either.
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now this is a poster who called it properly (from Which next club for Messi thread)
now this is a poster who called it properly (from Which next club for Messi thread)
Expected outcome. Messi likes attention and he likes to flex his muscle. Barca think they are more than a club and he thinks he’s more than them.
Tough spot for Barca because Messi is obviously not great for the club in the sense that he calls a lot of shots he’s not qualified to call and on the pitch isn’t a leader and off it has come across as a weasel but he’s obviously an incredible player. Perhaps both club and player are holding each other back at this point but you don’t let a player of Messi’s caliber go so they ride it out sort of like Kobe’s last few year’s at the Lakers.
Watch Barca not compete for years in UCL and Madrid sweep up a bunch of Liga titles but hey Messi got paid and got some attention.
Tough spot for Barca because Messi is obviously not great for the club in the sense that he calls a lot of shots he’s not qualified to call and on the pitch isn’t a leader and off it has come across as a weasel but he’s obviously an incredible player. Perhaps both club and player are holding each other back at this point but you don’t let a player of Messi’s caliber go so they ride it out sort of like Kobe’s last few year’s at the Lakers.
Watch Barca not compete for years in UCL and Madrid sweep up a bunch of Liga titles but hey Messi got paid and got some attention.
We don’t actually know any of this for certain though do we. There’s likely BS coming from all sides in this.
I have seen some shite posted in the thread, but that's at the top. We have people posting on here who know absolutely nothing about football. Ever heard the term lead by example. Do yourself a favour and take a day away from the forum
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