And if he's bad, it's a 30m loan and 5 years worth of wages.
The risk doesn't justify the reward.
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The risk doesn't justify the reward.
I dont know about that, 23 year old Spanish international lef-back from Real Madrid sounds like it should be worth the risk, its a position we have been crying out to upgrade for ages too. I'm delighted if we get him.
Wouldn't be that much over the purchase price. I'd say 5m tops. Real Madrid have done this kind of thing before, where if a player does great, they buy him back for just a tiny bit more than they sold him for then sell him to another team for a hefty profit. Really not worth it for us to have a player for one season if he's great, only to lose him and get back what we paid and his wages for that year. There'd be no profit from the transfer, in that case really and we'd then be looking for another LB to sign the next summer.
It wouldn't be a loan if he is bad. It would be the same risk as any other signing in that instance.
I think he is a very exciting player and I would have liked him, no doubt, but that buy back clause is no good for us rebuilding, lets go for Telles instead..
Alvaro Morata scored in a Champions League Final for Juventus before Madrid activated his buy back clause, I don't think they gave a shit about how they seemed or swinging their dicks about how big they are but instead got a player who did a really good job for them. The scenario in which it gets activated is we have a left back who performs well and we make a profit on selling him, hardly a disaster. Instead we currently have an issue at left back when we could have had a really good player. Apparently one of the reasons we didn't get Haaland was because we wouldn't accept a release clause (which again would only be activated if he performed well and would earn us a huge profit), I guess we won that by instead getting Odion Ighalo on loan.
Maybe we need to develop a bit more humility about where we are and realise making a profit on sales is a way of helping to build the club back to the top (Liverpool's resurgence was partially funded through making profits on sales and then using the funds to make smart signings).
And if the risk pays off you get a year of him. Two tops. If it doesn't, you're 30m in the hole + wages.
It's not humility, more like delusion to compare us with Juventus.
Course. You take the same risk as any other signing, but unlike any other signing, you only get the reward of a loan IF he's good and not the reward of a signing.
All transfers are a risk.
That's your take away from that? In what world did I compare us to Juventus? The point is that a club who have been much more successful than us in recent years didn't care about being perceived as feeble, they identified a player who could perform for them, he did and then they sold him back for a profit in line with the buy back clause. Yet about 90% of the people in this thread think we are above that. If we don't want him that's fine, albeit odd given our issues at left back, but the idea that we missed out due to this clause to me just seems daft.
They are. All transfers have a reward too, except in this case, the reward isn't nearly as good. You're taking all the risk with only some of the possible reward.
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Small-time club like Spurs are the only ones who would take this deal.
the salt!What do you mean? I’m talking about the buy-back clause
Not a chance we would accept a buy back clause. For me it's a no brainer nothing to discuss if that's what's on offer.
I posted weeks ago, no way United take a player with a buy back option.
Not sure why many were even that keen on getting the player. Maybe he will prove me wrong but as I see it the lad isn’t better than what we already have.
Yeah that’s kind of salty
but to be fair, it’s not a good move to buy a player with a buy back clause.Was there a single person on the Caf who said Williams is better than Shaw?
I mean I again appreciate your optimism mate and agree that players grow and develop at different rates and no one ever knows what the future holds etc etc.... but sometimes its pretty freaking obvious, no?!? Should we also hold off on saying that Harvey Neville probably isn't going to win the treble like his dad and uncle?
Reguilón at Spurs would be starting over Ben Davis then? Mou seems to be a big fan of BD.
Serge is not looking to play in the Champions League with Euro21 and WC22 up on us(?). This won't be exactly 2018/19 Spurs out there! Best of luck. Enjoy the Europa League
Serge is not looking to play in the Champions League with Euro21 and WC22 up on us(?). This won't be exactly 2018/19 Spurs out there! Best of luck. Enjoy the Europa League
It’s not though is it? Real did it with Morata and they’ll do it with Regulion.
Not sure it's small time, it's just the state of affairs spurs find themselves in. They're in dire need of a LB, Davies is pony and they need top 4 this season. Their finances are pretty ropey with all the stadium debt and lack of events happening (NFL, UFC, etc). They can't afford to spend much, but need quality immediately.
Bingo
I'm not sure I understand the vehement opposition to the buyback clause. Reguilon would be a great signing in a position of need. If he's good enough, it's the club's job to make him sufficiently happy to where he wouldn't go back to Real even if they try to activate the buyback clause.
Like, I get that supporters of this club have a lot of pride, but I think some self-awareness is needed. We're 3 weeks from the deadline, alternatives at LB are leaving the market (i.e. Estupinan signing for Villareal for a meager 15mm) and we're likely in for a dogfight with a gaggle of other clubs for CL position next year. If the buyback clause is a sign of desperation, that's not a surprise considering we are a bit desperate at this stage of the window. If the player is good and can help the manager and the club achieve their goals in the short term, isn't that good enough for now?
Like, I get that supporters of this club have a lot of pride, but I think some self-awareness is needed. We're 3 weeks from the deadline, alternatives at LB are leaving the market (i.e. Estupinan signing for Villareal for a meager 15mm) and we're likely in for a dogfight with a gaggle of other clubs for CL position next year. If the buyback clause is a sign of desperation, that's not a surprise considering we are a bit desperate at this stage of the window. If the player is good and can help the manager and the club achieve their goals in the short term, isn't that good enough for now?
Yeah, Juninho from Middlesborough comes to mind as one who had sucess. Anyway, since this thread is about Reguilon and I put it outside of topic, allow me to put it back there: How highly do Madrid rate Reguilon if they're considering selling him ? Usually they loan the players they want to sign back down the road and let go for good those who they do not expect to use again
I was joking. And if your happy that your club are effectively thumbing their noses to UEFA/FIFA in their attempts to stop clubs stock-pilling players because that's exactly what they are doing by abusing the transfer system like that once they find a gullible enough club(Hi Tottenham!) to help them out, good for you. It's not like Real Madrid are strangers to Unethical practices is it?.
If you haven't got a place in your squad for the minute loan him out for two years if need be like clubs have been doing for years.
Spurs seem desperate to be cucked by Madrid yet again.
Bale is understandable, although he'd decimate their wage structure and squad harmony. But at least he is something of a club legend.
But they don't even need a left back, they've got Davies and Sessegnon and Tanganga can play there as well, they certainly don't need another young hopeful who won't be planning on staying any longer than two seasons regardless.
Bale is understandable, although he'd decimate their wage structure and squad harmony. But at least he is something of a club legend.
But they don't even need a left back, they've got Davies and Sessegnon and Tanganga can play there as well, they certainly don't need another young hopeful who won't be planning on staying any longer than two seasons regardless.
We don't really need him, better we buy a RW or an additional attacker.
We shouldn't go for a player who already has his heart set on another team in a different country
As soon as that came out regarding the player (never mind the club) we should have moved on
As soon as that came out regarding the player (never mind the club) we should have moved on
Beyond Davies, they don't have a left-footed left back who can offer an attacking threat. Tanganga's mainly a central defender, and Sessegnon's a right-footed player. Reguilon's a left-footed attacking left back who can offer them width and allow Son/Alli to come inside. They can also play 3 at the back, and in that case, they'll need a wing back who's left footed and a good dribbler (which Davies isn't).Spurs seem desperate to be cucked by Madrid yet again.
Bale is understandable, although he'd decimate their wage structure and squad harmony. But at least he is something of a club legend.
But they don't even need a left back, they've got Davies and Sessegnon and Tanganga can play there as well, they certainly don't need another young hopeful who won't be planning on staying any longer than two seasons regardless.
And I assume we did. That is if we were ever interested in him in the first place.
If we actually need a LB as badly as people are saying to replace Shaw, why the feck would we buy one who could leave us at any point the former club fancies him again?
Find one that you actually expect to at least honour his full contract. Surely that's a baseline for new LB.
Find one that you actually expect to at least honour his full contract. Surely that's a baseline for new LB.
We are absolutely crying out for a left back.Spurs seem desperate to be cucked by Madrid yet again.
Bale is understandable, although he'd decimate their wage structure and squad harmony. But at least he is something of a club legend.
But they don't even need a left back, they've got Davies and Sessegnon and Tanganga can play there as well, they certainly don't need another young hopeful who won't be planning on staying any longer than two seasons regardless.
Hopefully. It does seem strange we would discuss this longer than it needs to be
The world of football is big and it's bonkers our scouts can't find somebody that hasn't played against us or similar
Surely there's another Spanish or Dutch/portuguese player or even one from Belgium with potential to go to the next level
By doing a deal with a buy back clause, it's essentially a lose lose situation.
If he does well, Spurs help build him into a good left back only to lose him for a modest fee.
If he does rubbish, he was a wasted investment.
I don't see how Spurs win in this situation. Even if he does well and other teams want to sign him. Madrid will simply buy him back and sell him to the highest bidder. The buy back clause is nonsense.
If he does well, Spurs help build him into a good left back only to lose him for a modest fee.
If he does rubbish, he was a wasted investment.
I don't see how Spurs win in this situation. Even if he does well and other teams want to sign him. Madrid will simply buy him back and sell him to the highest bidder. The buy back clause is nonsense.
Depends on the amount of the buy back clause. If its 30m its exactly as you describe. If its 60m then its pretty hard to imagine a scenario in which Madrid buys him back and Spurs lose that much value in the transaction.
well done to Spurs for get Bale and Reguilon
I really hope Bale get good sucess at Spurs at this season
I really hope Bale get good sucess at Spurs at this season
With Madrid being so insistent on a buy back clause, I can't imagine it's as high as 60m. 60m would get you pretty much any left back in the world. I imagine Madrid have insisted on a buy back clause slightly more than they are selling him for.
I disagree when it comes to spurs.
It’s not ideal, but with all due respect to them, they don’t aspire to be competing with Madrid and they are not in the same position to tell them to rod off like we are.
Because they are in dire need of a decent LB if they are going to try and get back into the top 4. You won't get a lb as good as him for 25m euros this season. They can cross that bridge when they are back in the CL but for now they need quality.
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