Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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OK, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties cause it's cold out there. It's cold out there every day.

"Happy Sancho day, again"
 

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How so? You buy into the media bull shit based on what? How many times have we been mislead? You're trying to act clever, but come across as mightily naive.
Much to the contrary, it is evidently you who has formed a dumbed-down and nuance-empty view. "All journalists are bad" is about as lazy an assumption as it gets. Sure, we get linked to a lot of players and our name gets used to garner views. But yes I do believe that we are interested in Sancho and have been attempting to sign him this summer. This has widely reported both by reliable media outlets/sources and unreliable media sources/outlets. And we haven't reached a 1000 pages in this thread for a player we werent' interested. I mean, I can't believe anyone has to spell out these things to you.
 

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Neither does us actually signing Sancho this summer, sadly.
Yeah, I’m resigned to it. This is standard United operating procedure so I can hardly claim that it’s come as a surprise. We’re a very poorly run football club, and I’m trying not to lose too much sleep over it.
 

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Could be right, today 1st day of autumn in the UK so officially no longer a summer signing..... because it makes any difference to Woodward's incompetence :(
 

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If going by Telles - it takes us a good week to actually prepare a bid to the club - we may well agree everything with the player, agents and intermediaries but we seem to forgot to agree anything with the selling club......this is where Judge is going wrong - please someone ask him to start with the club as without their acceptance the rest is a complete waste of time - and none more so than with Dortmund who are still insisting he isnt going anywhere
 

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If going by Telles - it takes us a good week to actually prepare a bid to the club - we may well agree everything with the player, agents and intermediaries but we seem to forgot to agree anything with the selling club......this is where Judge is going wrong - please someone ask him to start with the club as without their acceptance the rest is a complete waste of time - and none more so than with Dortmund who are still insisting he isnt going anywhere
I think its generally the norm now for players to seek permission with the potential seller to speak to the player first.

In any case I agree the actual bid itself is taking an age as personal terms have been agreed for a while!
 

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If the club end up paying €120m then it makes no sense waiting so long. Just pay early and get the boy ready for the start of the season.
 

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Maybe there will be no briefs. The club will just shut up and move on to avoid any further embarassment after being showed up that they can't afford to pay the money
 

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If the club end up paying €120m then it makes no sense waiting so long. Just pay early and get the boy ready for the start of the season.
The season has started, unless you feel the defeat to Palace is 'irrelevant' like some.

We're not going to pay €120m, we don't have the money to. Apart from probably Smalling out and Telles in, we're done for the summer. We had no intention of paying any big sums for Sancho, we've tried to get him on the cheap because of 'covid discount' and been left with our pants round our ankles.
 

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How so? You buy into the media bull shit based on what? How many times have we been mislead? You're trying to act clever, but come across as mightily naive.
Jesus Christ, there's absolutely no way we haven't been negotiating for Sancho.

You'd have to be incredibly naive or some kind of transfer conspiracy theorist to believe otherwise.

I don't think there's a chance we're paying what Dortmund want though.
 

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If the club end up paying €120m then it makes no sense waiting so long. Just pay early and get the boy ready for the start of the season.
Better to pay up now, this season top 4 isn't guaranteed by the way we are playing and improvements of other teams, there is unrest among players as well that we need signings.
 

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Suspect we`ll hear news we`ve walked away from the deal and we`re looking at alternatives this week. If we wanted to pay up we`d have done it by now and I don`t see how we all of a sudden pay up with less than 2 weeks left in the transfer window. Its a shame as I am still a little iffy about our front 3 and I don`t see us getting CL football next year which will rule us out of his signature. Oh well another Hazard/Ronaldinho/Kroos to add to the list of players we should have signed but missed out on
 

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Suspect we`ll hear news we`ve walked away from the deal and we`re looking at alternatives this week. If we wanted to pay up we`d have done it by now and I don`t see how we all of a sudden pay up with less than 2 weeks left in the transfer window. Its a shame as I am still a little iffy about our front 3 and I don`t see us getting CL football next year which will rule us out of his signature. Oh well another Hazard/Ronaldinho/Kroos to add to the list of players we should have signed but missed out on
If we wanted to move to an alternative we would have done it by now.
 

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Borussia Dortmund sports director Sebastian Kehl has reaffirmed that Manchester United target Jadon Sancho will not be sold during the current transfer window.

The England international's future has been the talk of the summer amid speculation surrounding a potential move to United, although Kehl's colleague Michael Zorc previously insisted that Sancho would be staying put at the Westfalenstadion.


The Red Devils have still been attempting to negotiate a deal, but United's hopes of landing the former Manchester City youngster have dwindled even further following a statement released by Kehl.




The statement read: "He is our player - and he will stay. It was an important statement from the club, because we have a certain responsibility."


The Red Devils are thought to have identified a number of alternatives to Sancho, who already has one assist to his name in the new Bundesliga campaign as Dortmund ran out 3-0 winners against Borussia Monchengladbach at the weekend.







One of those alternatives is rumoured to be Juventus forward Douglas Costa, although a recent report suggested that Wolverhampton Wanderers are also keen on a deal for the Brazil international.
Source: https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footba...again-rules-out-jadon-sancho-exit_415335.html

There is also a clip on YouTube from the interview that Sebastian Kehl gave. It's called "Kehl beim 19:09-Talk: "Ohne Sancho ist der BVB schlechter" (Highlights) --> starting at 4:09
 

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Sancho: 35 goals in 98 Dortmund appearances = 0.36 goals per game average
Son: 89 goals in 232 Spurs appearances 0.38 goals per game average

Far from not being in the same region, Son is actually slightly higher in the same region ... with most of the games concerned played in a tougher league. Sancho is of course very young, but your stats argument doesn't hold water.
Come on, you know that's not a fair comparison. Son was an internationally established player when he joined Spurs, Sancho was 17 when he had his first appearances for Dortmund. Also, you leave assists out of the equation - an area in which Sancho blows Son out of the water. So based on scorers, Sancho easily outperformed Son in his last two seasons. But I'm not a fan of solely using scorers to compare players. Sancho is also a much better dribbler and passer than Son already. And that's not a dig against Son by the way - as I said, he's developed into a terrific player who deserves all the praise he gets.
 

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Come on, you know that's not a fair comparison. Son was an internationally established player when he joined Spurs, Sancho was 17 when he had his first appearances for Dortmund. Also, you leave assists out of the equation - an area in which Sancho blows Son out of the water. So based on scorers, Sancho easily outperformed Son in his last two seasons. But I'm not a fan of solely using scorers to compare players. Sancho is also a much better dribbler and passer than Son already. And that's not a dig against Son by the way - as I said, he's developed into a terrific player who deserves all the praise he gets.
Sancho is yet another in a long-line of radically over-hyped and over-valued young players. He's good, but not that good.

I said a similar thing about Pogba - back when many United fans were calling him 'world class' - and generally my view has been proven correct. His impact at United has been patchy and often lacklustre.

I hope that United do blow £108m on Sancho, because IMO he won't have that much effect on team performances and it will severely limit your spending in other areas.
 

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Sancho is yet another in a long-line of radically over-hyped and over-valued young players. He's good, but not that good.

I said a similar thing about Pogba - back when many United fans were calling him 'world class' - and generally my view has been proven correct. His impact at United has been patchy and often lacklustre.

I hope that United do blow £108m on Sancho, because IMO he won't have that much effect on team performances and it will severely limit your spending in other areas.
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I've said that Alli has shown at least as much potential as Pogba did at the same age. I also think that Dier is right up there as amongst the best DMs of the same age.
PL appearances made to reach 20 goals:

52 – Dele Alli
74 – Paul Scholes
90 – David Beckham
140 – Frank Lampard
169 – Steven Gerrard
 

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Source: https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footba...again-rules-out-jadon-sancho-exit_415335.html

There is also a clip on YouTube from the interview that Sebastian Kehl gave. It's called "Kehl beim 19:09-Talk: "Ohne Sancho ist der BVB schlechter" (Highlights) --> starting at 4:09
Yeah, this one has been dead since early August. The last 500 pages are simply sheer desperation.

I hope the club is aware of this and management simply decided that none of the potential alternatives were of adequate quality. But I fear that we haven't even considered alternatives or, worst case scenario, we're still deluding ourselves by thinking Dortmund will cave in.
 

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Sancho is yet another in a long-line of radically over-hyped and over-valued young players. He's good, but not that good.

I said a similar thing about Pogba - back when many United fans were calling him 'world class' - and generally my view has been proven correct. His impact at United has been patchy and often lacklustre.

I hope that United do blow £108m on Sancho, because IMO he won't have that much effect on team performances and it will severely limit your spending in other areas.
I'm not a United fan and was never impressed by Pogba. They're not even comparable, IMO. Spending 100m on Pogba was insane back then. But Sancho.. Just watch him play. He's an incredible player already and every stat out there backs that impression up. There's also not much to argue in comparison to Son. Sancho has significantly better stats and ability-wise, it's not even a question. Sancho is comfortably better at dribbling and passing while Son has his finishing - especially with his weak foot - going for him.

Again, I don't want to belittle Son but Sancho IMO is an even bigger talent than Mbappe. The only talent out there I see in the Neymar bracket of talent.
 

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I still stand by what i posted on the 10th of August.. "The whole Sancho saga has the makings of becoming one of the most unsavoury episodes in the history of RedCafe transfer muppetry".. :D:devil:
 

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Just thought as it’s clear we’re not signing him it would be best to close it but if people want to desperately cling onto false hope then fair enough.
I was just joking. I suspect this pig has long since left the orbit around Springfield.
 

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This could be a really big couple of weeks for our club. We can’t go on like this year on year with such clueless transfer strategies. Thought we turned a corner last year by signing hungry young talent but this year we’re back to square one. VdB will be a great signing but I fear he’ll lose motivation if the other players and manager don’t match his passion. Could even see a glimpse of this straight after he scored.
 

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With the 2nd wave of Corona coming I can't see us outlaying for Sancho right now.

Hopefully next summer once things settle down?
 

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I was just joking. I suspect this pig has long since left the orbit around Springfield.
Ha all good. Aye I lost faith in this happening weeks ago, we’ve been chasing this kid the best part of 18 months if it hasn’t happened now it’s not happening. Don’t fancy our chances too much next summer either, a lot more clubs will be interested and with the lack of investment so far this season there’s a good chance we may well finish in a worse off position to this year.
 

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It does seem like Glazer/Woodward/Judge have gambled and lost. Maybe they don’t understand the economics of winning in football?
It's not over until it's over.

I believe that they won't pay £108m unless 20% of it is tied to performance bonuses, another 10% in easily achievable ones. Maybe 15%/15%.

They believe it's achievable to come to an agreement that all parties can live with in the final throes of the window. If not we would have briefed that we have ended our interest. Now it might not still happen this window of course, but as long as there is faith it can happen there's no reason for us to be negative nancy's.

Do I think Sancho is currently worth £108m in this climate? No, but then few deals of this size seems to be worth the price.
Would I mind if we paid £108m to get him now? No I wouldn't, but I would hope that the entire fee isn't 100% guaranteed payments.
 

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Not a chance that we're paying the money now with further uncertainty over Covid.
 

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With the 2nd wave of Corona coming I can't see us outlaying for Sancho right now.

Hopefully next summer once things settle down?
Yeah agree with this. We would have forked up the cash without Covid, and were holding off on spending when things looked a lot calmer on the Covid front than it does now. The rising cases and predictions of a bleak winter ahead is probably just vindicating the board.

And maybe they're right! Maybe we will have another season where there are no proper attendances getting into grounds across Europe and we end up in a case where we're better prepared to take advantage of a more desperate and depleted January/Summer window.

Whatever happens, can't see Chelsea spending big again next summer, and Spurs have thrown everything at Jose this time around. Liverpool have hardly sat down on expenses by their level, and Arsenal are already in a case where they can't pick up players unless they recoup considerably from sales.
 
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