Should we try Bruno in the right wide forward position?

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I anticipate that this will be a popular thread but we have the Pogba conundrum with both of them in the middle of the park being too porous defensively. It's becoming more common for number 10s like Grealish and James to be put out wide, although he's a different type of 10 to them. His high turnover rate won't be as much of an issue out wide and he can still play to his strengths of linking round the box, crossing, taking set-piece and taking penalties. The other obvious bonus is playing Pogba further up and with less defensive responsibility along with addressing the hole on the right wing.

Something like

---------Fred--------Matic--------
Bruno----Pogba-----Rashford
---------------Marital----------------
 

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I anticipate that this will be a popular thread but we have the Pogba conundrum with both of them in the middle of the park being too porous defensively. It's becoming more common for number 10s like Grealish and James to be put out wide, although he's a different type of 10 to them. His high turnover rate won't be as much of an issue out wide and he can still play to his strengths of linking round the box, crossing, taking set-piece and taking penalties. The other obvious bonus is playing Pogba further up and with less defensive responsibility along with addressing the hole on the right wing.

Something like

---------Fred--------Matic--------
Bruno----Pogba-----Rashford
---------------Marital----------------
It makes more sense to move Pogba to the bench position.
 

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Let's try Igahlo in net while we're at it.

The obsession with forcing players into the team but out if position is ridiculous on this forum. Last week it was Fred at LB, not out most productive 10 playing on the wing.
 

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No, we should put our (currently) best attacking player in his best position - and obviously it's not on the right wide area.
 

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I think we should put Pogba in a nominal left role allowing Telles to bomb forward to provide the width. Pogba is not a 10 and wants to come from a bit deeper which a left role would suit him perfectly.
 

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I think we should put Pogba in a nominal left role allowing Telles to bomb forward to provide the width. Pogba is not a 10 and wants to come from a bit deeper which a left role would suit him perfectly.
If Ole wants to play 4-2-3-1, think this would be the best solution and would allow VDB to play and rotate the other forwards a lot more.
 

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I think we should put Pogba in a nominal left role allowing Telles to bomb forward to provide the width. Pogba is not a 10 and wants to come from a bit deeper which a left role would suit him perfectly.
By nominal left role, do you mean the wide player on the left? Just so I'm clear?

If so, will you take out Rashford who seems to be getting back to normal? No thanks.

If you put Pogba on the left, Telles will be unnecessarily exposed as I don't see Pogba as one who will be so keen on tracking back much.
Are we just trying different things to deal with Pogba's lack of workrate?

If that's not what you meant, completely scratch what I just said! :lol:
 

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If Ole wants to play 4-2-3-1, think this would be the best solution and would allow VDB to play and rotate the other forwards a lot more.
Where would you play VDB? In the double-pivot? I need to see more of him but I would probably rotate him with Bruno and Pogba
 

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I anticipate that this will be a popular thread but we have the Pogba conundrum with both of them in the middle of the park being too porous defensively. It's becoming more common for number 10s like Grealish and James to be put out wide, although he's a different type of 10 to them. His high turnover rate won't be as much of an issue out wide and he can still play to his strengths of linking round the box, crossing, taking set-piece and taking penalties. The other obvious bonus is playing Pogba further up and with less defensive responsibility along with addressing the hole on the right wing.

Something like

---------Fred--------Matic--------
Bruno----Pogba-----Rashford
---------------Marital----------------
I would think the whole point of moving Bruno to the wide right position is to accommodate Donny and Paul, not to allow Matic and Fred to both play!
 

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And take out Rashford who seems to be getting back to normal? No thanks.

If you put Pogba on the left, Telles will be unnecessarily exposed as I don't see Pogba as one who will be so keen on tracking back much.

Are we just trying different things to deal with Pogba's lack of workrate?
Pogba's lack of work rate is an issue and defensively Telles might be exposed but it would be more cohesive attacking wise and a double pivot without Pogba will protect the CBs more more.

As for Rashford at least at the moment play him as the striker.
 

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Threads like this just highlight that Pogba is the odd one out nowadays. We’ve tried everything with him.
We’ve tried nothing with Pogba but putting him in a double pivot since the beginning of last season essentially. Him, Bruno, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood screams 4-3-3, but I’ve got no idea whether Ole is either blind to it, or has no faith in any of our other midfielders player a deepest anchor man or deep-lying playmaker role. We haven’t been linked to a DM though, which makes me think the fault is with the manager.

In you cannot get anything out of Pogba and your team is otherwise shit, then the club and management is at fault. The idea that Manchester United’s golden path is casting Pogba aside for Fred, McT or DVB is asinine.
 

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We’ve tried nothing with Pogba but putting him in a double pivot since the beginning of last season essentially. Him, Bruno, Rashford, Martial, Greenwood screams 4-3-3, but I’ve got no idea whether Ole is either blind to it, or has no faith in any of our other midfielders player a deepest anchor man or deep-lying playmaker role. We haven’t been linked to a DM though, which makes me think the fault is with the manager.

In you cannot get anything out of Pogba and your team is otherwise shit, then the club and management is at fault. The idea that Manchester United’s golden path is casting Pogba aside for Fred, McT or DVB is asinine.
I think even as a box to box in a 3 Pogba needs to work an awful lot harder to keep his place. If we are getting back to basics and trying to not ship so many goals we need to take matic and Pogba out and go back to fighting hard instead of coasting through games
 

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By nominal left role, do you mean the wide player on the left? Just so I'm clear?

If so, will you take out Rashford who seems to be getting back to normal? No thanks.

If you put Pogba on the left, Telles will be unnecessarily exposed as I don't see Pogba as one who will be so keen on tracking back much.
Are we just trying different things to deal with Pogba's lack of workrate?

If that's not what you meant, completely scratch what I just said! :lol:
exactly, it would be Spurs game all over again, where other teams attacking full backs surge forward at will, leaving our full backs exposed. Even Rashford isn't so keen on tracking back, same on other side with Greenwood. I think Jose has give other teams the blue print on us, have your full backs attack at will, as neither winger tracks back, no defensive mid cover either and both full backs positionaly unsound. We'd hope that was a one off, but 3 goals conceded V Palace, 6 v Spurs, not looking good.I think Ole might switch it around next game, maybe play wing backs in a bid to address the lack of cover on each wing, not sure, but I don't think he can keep the same format.
 

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I anticipate that this will be a popular thread but we have the Pogba conundrum with both of them in the middle of the park being too porous defensively. It's becoming more common for number 10s like Grealish and James to be put out wide, although he's a different type of 10 to them. His high turnover rate won't be as much of an issue out wide and he can still play to his strengths of linking round the box, crossing, taking set-piece and taking penalties. The other obvious bonus is playing Pogba further up and with less defensive responsibility along with addressing the hole on the right wing.

Something like

---------Fred--------Matic--------
Bruno----Pogba-----Rashford
---------------Marital----------------
Poor VDB still can’t get a game.
 

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Surely with Telles coming in, aside from AWB we're more suited to a 5-3-2? Something like:

------------------De Gea---------------
---Lindelof-Maguire--Shaw---
-?-------------------------------Telles-
----------Pogba----Fred------------
-------------Fernandes-------------
---------Martial---Rashford-----

Feels like we should be able to manage the attack and defence alot better that way to me. Though the attacking RB is obviously an issue.
 

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They're also running past Matic. Fred and McTominay?
They will run past anyone because of the space available and our shape. When we don't have the ball we can't be that open and wide. It's a coaching and tactics issue.
 

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He'd be okay on the left maybe playing a similar role to the one Mata used to play for us on the right. But if this is just so we can continue trying to shoehorn him and Pogba into the team together it isn't worth it.
 

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Why mess with a good thing? Bruno has been great in the AM position, Greenwood doing well on the right and will probably only get better. None of the front 4 deserves to be dropped or shunted to accommodate anyone else.
 

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They will run past anyone because of the space available and our shape. When we don't have the ball we can't be that open and wide. It's a coaching and tactics issue.
Was it an issue last year? We'll see after the international break on that one.

I think we need a younger version of Matic who's more mobile, especially if people want to go to 433 with two 8s.
 

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Poor VDB still can’t get a game.
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Surely with Telles coming in, aside from AWB we're more suited to a 5-3-2? Something like:

------------------De Gea---------------
---Lindelof-Maguire--Shaw---
-?-------------------------------Telles-
----------Pogba----Fred------------
-------------Fernandes-------------
---------Martial---Rashford-----

Feels like we should be able to manage the attack and defence alot better that way to me. Though the attacking RB is obviously an issue.
I'e already made the 5-3-2 thread weeks ago. I think we'll probably use it in the next game.
 

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Surely if one of them has to be accommodated on the right it's Pogba? He's faster and fancies himself as a dribbler. His crossing is arguably on par any other right-footed players we have.

He also deserves to be in a rehab position more than Fernandes.
 

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Poch will sort it. I think it will work if we can switch to two upfront.
 

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I would rather play the diamond, with Bruno at the tip or at least trial it. I think VdB could transform our style of play with his control and passing.
 

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Threads like this just highlight that Pogba is the odd one out nowadays. We’ve tried everything with him.
Exactly. Need to sell him ASAP and sign midfielders to cover our gaps. He's too lazy to build around.

If we get a mobile CDM and another creative CM, our midfield is very flexible without any obvious flaws.

For all Pogba brings in attack, its sporadic and he's regularly missing in defence.
 

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I want to try Pogba as the right wide forward. He is our best player at beating players on the dribble so let him take on players. It's better if he loses the ball out wide then in the middle. Remember when he beat Dier with that nice move that resulted in a PK? I think he is the only player who could have done that on the team. Picture him on the wing with the ball, I'm sure he would get a cross off 9 out of 10 times.
 

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Silva did well there for City if I remember correctly but in this case we shouldn't move our best player to accommodate a shiny new toy.