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How long are we willing to take Pogba's insolance?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
That's pretty much what he said though no?
He's not committed to the cause in the slightest, honestly it's 9 weeks until the next window.
I'd rather we give a run to Mctominey or Fred, at least they will stick to their task and release the ball. Pogba is just a greedy player.
I'd rather we give a run to Mctominey or Fred, at least they will stick to their task and release the ball. Pogba is just a greedy player.
Let’s no kid ourselves, it won’t be long before VDB, Bruno and Martial are saying the same thing. This club has issues, Sanchez wanting to leave after his first training session says it all.
I just want an end to this stupid dance every year. Ship him out when possible because this isn't going to stop.
As James Ducker just tweeted, regardless of your thoughts on Pogba and his future at United, flirting with another club days after a 6-1 loss is a bad look. Particularly when he was one of the worst players in that game.
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Nothing more than contract games. I don't see Real being in a position to drop the kind of money we would want for him next summer (after we activate the option for another year) so he's not gonna get a transfer there.
He says some mild things about playing for Madrid but says much more about his love of United and wanting us to get back to the top. He also mentions the fact that there's been no move on the contract. Probably just setting a fire under Woodward's arse. Knows that after the window we've had Woodward probably doesn't need any more bad press so getting Pogba to commit to a long term contract would be win win for them both.
He says some mild things about playing for Madrid but says much more about his love of United and wanting us to get back to the top. He also mentions the fact that there's been no move on the contract. Probably just setting a fire under Woodward's arse. Knows that after the window we've had Woodward probably doesn't need any more bad press so getting Pogba to commit to a long term contract would be win win for them both.
Truth be told he wouldn't be name dropping Madrdi without instruction they are interested in his services.
God knows what club football they've been watching this last few years but they can't have been watching United as he's no improvement to what they have already.
Used to rate him but now think he's vastly overrated. I'd sell in January, I'd recoup as much of his fee as possible and I would be glad to be rid of the virus. Ole won't last much longer with players with the commitment level of Pogba.
God knows what club football they've been watching this last few years but they can't have been watching United as he's no improvement to what they have already.
Used to rate him but now think he's vastly overrated. I'd sell in January, I'd recoup as much of his fee as possible and I would be glad to be rid of the virus. Ole won't last much longer with players with the commitment level of Pogba.
United are stuck between a rock & a hard place with Pogba.
The board will not sanction a sale at anything less than a profit, and that profit is just fantasy.
They will offer him a new contract, which I doubt he will sign, as I think he is looking to go on a Free.
But the longer United delay dealing with this issue, the weaker their position becomes.
Forget about the hot air about Madrid, I reckon he has been tapped up by Juventus, and they will either expect him on a free or will have us over a barrel for a pittance.
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Even worse, he was committed to us until it because clear the pandemic meant no one could afford him.
No it wasn’t. Such an easy question to bat away. “I don’t want to talk about Madrid. We’ve had a tough start to the season at United and we need to focus on our next game blah blah blah” Basic stuff which he’ll have been trained on by the club’s media experts and seen loads of other players do before.
Absolutely no need to talk about how he dreams to play for Madrid and might do so one day. Yet that’s what he said and here we are.
If Ole has any balls, he’ll bench him for the next couple of games and try out a more functional midfield. This joker would be a bigger flop than Hazard at Madrid if he plays like this. We should jump in if anyone offers 70-80M for him.
I’m tired of his excuses, he has not produced one season where he’s been consistently 7+, forget 9+.
I’m tired of his excuses, he has not produced one season where he’s been consistently 7+, forget 9+.
Hope we get rid soon to be honest. It's a shame as there is a quality player in there but he just doesn't offer us enough. He should be changing games with his ability - instead he somehow makes us worse with him in the team. Got a real attitude problem too.
One of the biggest disappointments ever at this club. A total peacock.
Will be happy to see the back of him.
Will be happy to see the back of him.
At this point I'd love to see him go. VDB has come in and in three games looks much more up to the fight that Pogba ever has, and he is technically gifted as well. Sure Pogba has the ability to sometime drift though midfield like it's effortless, but he does that infrequently and it rarely ends up generating a chance. His goals and assists level is far too low for his perceived value.
I don't get that on one point Ole goes on about the mentality of the player and them needing to want to be here and honour the shirt, leaving everything on the field each and every game - and then we have Pogba.
With Bruno/VDB here now we are less reliant on him. If anyone offered north of 80M for him in January/next summer I'd send him over with candy and a stripper.
I don't get that on one point Ole goes on about the mentality of the player and them needing to want to be here and honour the shirt, leaving everything on the field each and every game - and then we have Pogba.
With Bruno/VDB here now we are less reliant on him. If anyone offered north of 80M for him in January/next summer I'd send him over with candy and a stripper.
That's exactly the same though, just lawyered up wording. Maybe I just dont dont trust a single things footballers say and it's me that is off, but I dont see why people get annoyed by shite said in these interviews.
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This sums it up for me, he could have gone but hasn't, him and several others arent contributing and Ole needs to change them around if he wants to keep his job. We have players who at least will fight while we are in crap form, play them.
He doesn't deserve a new contract though. This interview is intended to put pressure on the glazers so they shit a brick and offer him another 5 year contract with another 150k a week rise. Noone has enquired about him so he needs his last big contract here. I would try selling him for 60 mill in Jan and again in the summer. No one is paying 100 mill for him
Jose was right all along, about almost everything.
Sanchez only said that when he went that was bullshit. It's like a kid refused something then saying I never wanted it anyway.
You guys just get on here and say anything
From the position he plays? Are people on this forum OK?
The time to sell Pogba has sailed. We are now stuck between the devil and the deep sea.
The guy said nothing wrong by the way.
It's even odd that he discusses his contract so openly with the media, whilst on international duty. It's an absolute circus having him around.
Er, what? This is one of those ridiculously pessimistic posts predicting our inevitable plummet to mid table mediocrity that has absolutely no basis in reality. What’s the recurring theme in players like of Di Maria, Sanchez and to a lesser extent Pogba? They all have massive egos, they all failed here, they all came in on massive money and none of them were prepared to give their all. United are certainly part of the problem, but a large part of that can be attributed to those very same players that were brought in and dressed up as some sort of silver bullet to all our problems (Di Maria, Sanchez, Pogba). They all certainly acted like they were above United. You can’t just lump in all of our players like they’re some great big monolith.
I don't think Ole has a choice about Pogba. It was the same with Mourinho. The difference is Ole hasn't given up on the team and doesn't want to poison the internal dressing room atmosphere. He would rather keep quiet and bench Pogba for half a season. Mourinho on the other hand was very vocal about getting rid of him cause Mourinho already foresaw what would happen if he didn't.
Don't do this to yourself. Expectations only increase the pain afterwards.
And what about De Gea? He wouldnt be here if it wasnt for the fax machine, im not a negative person but this has been a theme at the club since SAF retired. When do we start looking in the mirror as a club? All these players cant be wrong, theres issues at this club.
I think Pogba is a really nice guy outside of football, but I don't believe he is ready to fight for our club and isn't the type of player to lift a team low on confidence or morale.
He's going to be class for a well-oiled machine, but the guy struggles when the odds are up against him and he has to be a driving force. Not good enough when we consider the expectations and the financial package we have invested into him. Someone can probably calculate hom much Pogba has cost so far, in terms of fees for the transfer, for the agent and his wage, plus bonuses. It will most definitely be an eye-watering sum that we could have put into improving the whole squad.
He's going to be class for a well-oiled machine, but the guy struggles when the odds are up against him and he has to be a driving force. Not good enough when we consider the expectations and the financial package we have invested into him. Someone can probably calculate hom much Pogba has cost so far, in terms of fees for the transfer, for the agent and his wage, plus bonuses. It will most definitely be an eye-watering sum that we could have put into improving the whole squad.
Like his tendency to hold on to the ball indecisively and ultimately give it away, his career is stuck in the same way. One feels is neither able to commit to stay and build at Man United or decide to move to other pastors. He has spent atleast 2 years of his peak footballing career in an unsettled mode and seemingly it continues. Ole was bang on the mark when he said that he should be worried about making the most of his peak time..
Whenever I’ve seen him in the flesh at Old Trafford, which is only 3 or 4 times, you can see that in terms of touch, technique and skill, he’s a class above most of the other players.
But then let me ask this. Can anyone list 3 big games where he’s taken the game by the scruff of the neck, dominated the play and turned things round, winning us the match?
I can’t, and in fairness I can’t think of even one but there must be some examples right?!
But then let me ask this. Can anyone list 3 big games where he’s taken the game by the scruff of the neck, dominated the play and turned things round, winning us the match?
I can’t, and in fairness I can’t think of even one but there must be some examples right?!
He was the one who brought in Pogba to this club in the first place.
City game he was excellent. 3-2 win 2018/2019
Having watched The Last Dance and having seen a lot of Roy Keane, this guys seems a million miles away from the character and win at all costs mentality you need at the highest level.
Ok. Which one?
3-2 win 2018/2019
Probably only the game against Arsenal when DDG made tons of saves and Pogba got the red card. He toyed Xhaka & their defense apart. And also the 2nd half against city when we were 2-0 down in first but won the game 3-2 at Etihad to stop them celebration title in Manchester derby. The Chelsea game in FA cup when Ole took over as interim manager was also good one.
Didn’t Ronaldo say similar things? (Yes)
No one does.
Two years left of his boring transfer-dreams. They can't afford his price this year. Maybe next year for about 60m, when we need to fund Sancho.
The full quote isn't so bad, and he basically says he likes it here, but christ it's tiring with his Madrid talk. Play Donny and see where it ends.
The full quote isn't so bad, and he basically says he likes it here, but christ it's tiring with his Madrid talk. Play Donny and see where it ends.