A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

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You really can’t. Nuno as good as he is defensive he’s not progressive enough to be a top level manager. Ancelotti you can argue but yet we want to highlight Poch failing at Spurs in the end. This guy has failed as PSG and Bayern.
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You really can’t. Nuno as good as he is defensive he’s not progressive enough to be a top level manager. Ancelotti you can argue but yet we want to highlight Poch failing at Spurs in the end. This guy has failed as PSG and Bayern.
Sorry, I must be missing the bit where Poch achieved something.

Nuno has done wonders with that squad. Ancelotti is doing well with this Everton team and there is a good reason he was manager of those clubs in the first place.

Poch is not above these managers. Hense the 'arguably'. People making out he's clearly among the top 3; he's not.
 

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I don’t know if I have missed something but what has Nuno ever done to put him above Pochettino as a coach?
Achieved as much as possible with a great playing Wolves team. Clearly a talented manager. As opposed to the manager who managed to come behind Leicester with the easiest chance of a title they'll ever get. Oh and then just lost the dressing room and had them sinking.
 

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Sorry, I must be missing the bit where Poch achieved something.

Nuno has done wonders with that squad. Ancelotti is doing well with this Everton team and there is a good reason he was manager of those clubs in the first place.

Poch is not above these managers. Hense the 'arguably'. People making out he's clearly among the top 3; he's not.
You missed the point where Poch won something then point out the other two managers who had won nothing in the Prem with their teams :lol:
 

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Achieved as much as possible with a great playing Wolves team. Clearly a talented manager. As opposed to the manager who managed to come behind Leicester with the easiest chance of a title they'll ever get. Oh and then just lost the dressing room and had them sinking.
What in the name of feck do you guys watch? Cause it can't be football if you think Wolverhampton play 'great' football
 

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Pretty sure when Mourinho was managing us a lot of people considered Poch the next best behind Pep and Klopp and Ancelotti was a has been. How things have changed, and Nuno? What’s he done exactly to be considered better?
Yeah, they were, and still are. I just havent got a clue why. Finishing behind that dinosaur Mourinho aswell!

Nuno has overachieved with Wolves. Poch underachieved. 4th when United got 2nd with Mour. Let Leicester win the easiest title they could have won. Lost the dressing room and left a sinking ship which the dinosaur had to save, you couldn't write it. Has been Ancelotti sitting pretty at the top with bloomin' EVERTON.
 

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What in the name of feck do you guys watch? Cause it can't be football if you think Wolverhampton play 'great' football
You know every week when people say Ole has no system? Well we see Nuno has one every week. So much so that teams have been after most of their players.

It isn't exactly beautiful football but it is great football. Getting the best from his team.
 

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What in the name of feck do you guys watch? Cause it can't be football if you think Wolverhampton play 'great' football
Oh and Poch had them playing such boring stuff in the end. They look more entertaining under Bourinho.
 

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Tuchel would be better for us, as IMO he's one of the best I've seen at breaking down parked buses which has been our primary problem post SAF (and even before then); his Dortmund 15/16 team was incredible at that. In addition he's also quite good at substitutions.

With that said Poch is definitely a clear 2nd choice, although he'd have to improve in the aforementioned aspects were he to come here.
 

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No, actually, results since the restart are 2 losses from 5 games, and 2 losses from 3 league games. We can’t keep going back to a point midway through last season. There was another restart, you know, when the season literally started again?

Yes we can,who fecking concerns themselves with 3 fecking league games as a wider picture unless the objective is to see the manager sacked...
 

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I'd rather take a serious look at Julian Nagelsmann if Leipzig have another good season. If he actually wins something, I'd take a very serious look at him.
That sort of monitoring will certainly appeal to the United top brass.
 

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Lack of accountability. It's a piss easy job compared to the other big ones on the same pay scale.
And that. I reckon we give managers at a minimum a year longer than they should get. Which I'm sure the managers appreciate!
 

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Oh and Poch had them playing such boring stuff in the end. They look more entertaining under Bourinho.
I've never said Poch plays great football. In fact, I find his football functional but quite boring - even when he was doing well. It's still far better than the piss Nuno serves up with Wolves though.
 

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Pochettino was the club's first choice manager to replace LVG before we decided on Mourinho, he's been under the club's watch to success in here. The issue is how in the world we went from Poch to Mourinho? They are two different managers play different system & philosophy. If Poch wasn't available then we shouldn't sack LVG until Poch is available or at least going for manager with similar philosophy as Poch. Once again, this is an evident that the board has no strong set of structure & philosophy for the football club to have two different philosophy manager as their candidate.

We are just sacking manager and find replacement randomly without knowing what we actually want. When different philosophy manager is replacing one and another, it means they will need different player & the scout needs to adapt with his standard of player.
 

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I just can't get excited about him at all. 100% believe he's a better manager than Ole, would do a better job, but I feel so little for him, to be fair if he comes in and makes us good I'm sure I'd warm to him. He doesn't strike me as having the character to manage us, but I'm sure we'll see.
Exactly this.

Just doesn't insprire confidence.
 

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And you don't think the Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona and Juventus jobs have immense pressure attached to them? You can get sacked at either of those clubs for not even doing anything wrong. You can get sacked simply for the fact a rival had an incredible season. Ancelottti got sacked at Madrid because Barcelona won a treble - that was enough to get him sacked. You're constantly scrutinised at those clubs before you even take charge of your first game - there's none of the whole give managers time bullshit, because the fans aren't stupid enough to fall for it.

Yet that incompetent structure keeps managers in jobs far longer than they would be at any other club. In terms of expectations, it's a piss easy job. As long as you get top 4, you are in no danger of getting sacked. The same incompetent structure let's you hide behind the fact you haven't signed the entire squad of players, so you can't be expected to achieve anything.

And in that time :
Real Madrid - 6 managers.
Barcelona - 5 managers.
Bayern Munich - 5 managers.
Chelsea - 5 managers.

Yet if you're afraid not having enough time to do your job, you'd be afraid of the Man Utd job. What a load of horseshit.

Oh yeah Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Ole were really on an upward career trajectory up until they got here. Like I said, our fans seem to think this is some high pressure job. It's not, you're expected to actually deliver and compete at the highest level in a high pressure. Our managers aren't expected to do it, despite spending a feckload of money.

Mourinho might have actually got himself killed somewhere like Madrid if he was allowed to treat the club with complete disdain as he was repeatedly allowed to do here in his last year in charge.
But the big difference between us and the clubs you mentioned are that they are generally well run and they set their managers on a path to success, not failure. Ours is a much more difficult task, mostly because of our outdated structure and the fact that the people on the top are not football people at all.

And i dont really give a toss about being a "sacking club" or not. I just dont think every top manager out there is clawing at Ed's door to get a shot at the job here, because that is just not the case. Klopp did turn us down and went to the dippers instead after Ed's daft "Disneyland" sales pitch.
 

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But the big difference between us and the clubs you mentioned are that they are generally well run and they set their managers on a path to success, not failure. Ours is a much more difficult task, mostly because of our outdated structure and the fact that the people on the top are not football people at all.
Yeah that's why Madrid sacked Benitez and Lopetegui after 2 months. They set them up for some real success right there.

The difference between those clubs and us is they don't give a shit about the managers. The managers are the most disposable part of the entire club, and they'll keep hiring and firing them up until it works. And then guess what, when an even a successful manager starts to show signs of losing effectiveness they'll feck him off too. There's zero sentimentality.
 

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What in the name of feck do you guys watch? Cause it can't be football if you think Wolverhampton play 'great' football
I've watched Wolves enough to see they have a system and it's executed very well at times.
I've watched 2 years of United to not even getting close to understanding or even defining Ole ball.
 

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I can't get excited for Mauricio Pochettino becoming manager. In fact I can't get excited about any manager coming in. It will just be the cycle repeated again
 

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I've watched Wolves enough to see they have a system and it's executed very well at times.
Yes but that doesn't mean that they play great football. They're a well coached, functional team but the football is awful to watch for the most part.

They managed 51 goals last season in 38 games - that's with players of Jimenez, Traore and Jota's talent in their ranks. That's 2 more than LVGs United managed in 15/16.
 

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I can't get excited for Mauricio Pochettino becoming manager. In fact I can't get excited about any manager coming in. It will just be the cycle repeated again
Not necessarily so. Everton finally seem to be breaking their own version of that particular cycle.
 

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If we are to sack Ole and bring in a new manager, that guy has to be better or needs to have the potential to be better than Klopp and Pep. Pochettino is not better than those two imo. Negelsmann on the other hand I rate as potentially better than Klopp.
 

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Yeah that's why Madrid sacked Benitez and Lopetegui after 2 months. They set them up for some real success right there.

The difference between those clubs and us is they don't give a shit about the managers. The managers are the most disposable part of the entire club, and they'll keep hiring and firing them up until it works. And then guess what, when an even a successful manager starts to show signs of losing effectiveness they'll feck him off too. There's zero sentimentality.
Yeah Madrid aren't specially run or anything. They just have the advantage of being the most prestigious club destination in world football. Every player they flick their eyelash at is ready to burn bridges to be sold to them
 

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Hes no worse than Poch. A comparison of their top 6 record will tell you that.
If Ole leaves today this is one thing I'll be glad to never have to hear again. Only among United fans is this even a minority opinion
 

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Not necessarily so. Everton finally seem to be breaking their own version of that particular cycle.
Exactly. Nobody saw Liverpool as a model of being well run when they were replacing Suarez with Balotelli and Lambert and Everton have been bad for several years, the thing they both did is get a really high quality manager and that has given them the comfort that at least the manager role is sorted and a figurehead around who they can sort out other issues.

I don't get this idea that because we're badly run in other areas that there's no point improving on Solskjaer when there are clearly significantly better options out there. Whether Pochettino is the man to bring us back to challenging for the title is not clear (I do think Nagelsmann would be the more adventurous choice with more risk but a higher upside) but he did at least go close before with much lesser resources and a weaker squad to begin with.
 

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Are you serious?
If Ole leaves today this is one thing I'll be glad to never have to hear again. Only among United fans is this even a minority opinion
Poch has become this myth, his fan boys are seduced by the CL run.
If Poch takes the PSG job, I will be glad to have this thread closed and hopefully a better manager emerges as a candidate to replace Ole. Poch is in the same bracket as Rodgers and Howe and within that bracket I actually put them above him.
 

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Poch has become this myth, his fan boys are seduced by the CL run.
If Poch takes the PSG job, I will be glad to have this thread closed and hopefully a better manager emerges as a candidate to replace Ole. Poch is in the same bracket as Rodgers and Howe and within that bracket I actually put them above him.
He isn't a myth for saying he is a better manager than Ole. In that scenario Ole would be the one whose myth is being exaggerated. Even the category of Rodgers you mentioned so casually are considered better than Ole
 

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He isn't a myth for saying he is a better manager than Ole. In that scenario Ole would be the one whose myth is being exaggerated
Hes a myth in terms of achievement, his die hard fans paint him in the mould of taking a mid table club to the verge of the title. Redknapp did more for Spurs than Poch ever did in breaking into the top 4, Jol and him built the platform for him.
Poch benefited from the demise of Arsenal and United and had a world class striker in Kane to fall back on. Saying Poch is better than Ole is just a opinion, theres not much to back it up unless theres enough comparable data to make a concrete conclusion.
 

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Ok. We'll just go with Poch hasn't achieved ANYTHING. So I'll still side with the managers that have actually achieved in their careers for now.
Better go with RVP over Greenwood then
 

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Yeah that's why Madrid sacked Benitez and Lopetegui after 2 months. They set them up for some real success right there.

The difference between those clubs and us is they don't give a shit about the managers. The managers are the most disposable part of the entire club, and they'll keep hiring and firing them up until it works. And then guess what, when an even a successful manager starts to show signs of losing effectiveness they'll feck him off too. There's zero sentimentality.
So we should aspire to become as ridiculous as that? Should we start bringing white handkerchiefs to OT as well? La Liga is a two horse race where everything besides a league title and a CL medal is seen as failure. Just because Ferguson spolied us does not mean we can have those kinds of demands, because they are simply not realistic in the current climate.

And its not about sentimentally. Its about accepting the fact that we currently are a level below the best teams and we wont get back up there overnight. Just changing manager and hoping for a magic fix wont solve it when we all know that there are other more pressing problems that needs to be addressed

"But we cant do anything about Ed"

As fans we have just as much authority to ask for Ed's removal as Oles
 

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I guess my mind doesn't live in a world where I think Ole of all people goes on a strop, self inflicts and implodes looking to be sacked
Lets see. Already plenty in the press about him not getting his targets...
 

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Lets see. Already plenty in the press about him not getting his targets...
Yeah, and plenty of fans that believe everything they read and drink that stuff up. Didnt get 300m in targets, poor Ole, I am sure he's not as pedantic as Jose in that regard.
 

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Ah, to be a journalist and make up stories and get paid for it, and when challenged on the origin, just say "my well informed source".
Results since restart are 4 losses from 19 games.
Laurie Whitwell is a reporter for Athletic with genuine sources at the club in fairness.