Davie Moyes
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I'd love we go with a progressive young manager like this who is a great coach first and foremost. Fed up of going for big name managers and big name players who look like they don't do anything in training.
1 is a tautologyUnited wont be playing this particular way until we have 1. A manager who clearly has a distinct idea of how he wants his players to perform and 2. players who are technically sound but put in the graft, with and without the ball.
Completely agree.I'd love we go with a progressive young manager like this who is a great coach first and foremost. Fed up of going for big name managers and big name players who look like they don't do anything in training.
I’ll bow to your better judgement. But I desperately don’t want Poch. I don’t think he has the winners instinct and he is perhaps on the way down.So if Ole was sacked, who would be your preference to replace him?
The problem with your argument is had RedBull won that CL semi final through a pure Nagelsmann philosophy performance, you would have used that one game alone as evidence of his mastery and ability.I'm still laughing at the time he decided to judge Nagalsmann on one game
Imagine if someone were to just draw every conclusion on Ole from the Tottenham game for example. Jesus wept.
Yeah, actually I was speaking in favor of him. Would be perfect for us that he plays a diamond and would suit us.He adopts a variety of systems depending on the opposition. But no matter what the system, he still wants to impose his style on the opposition.
No I wouldn't, because I and most others don't use stupid logic by judging a manager from one game. I started the Nagelsmann watch thread long before he became RB Leipzig manager.The problem with your argument is had RedBull won that CL semi final through a pure Nagelsmann philosophy performance, you would have used that one game alone as evidence of his mastery and ability.
Works both ways I’m afraid.
Also not sure what Jesus has to do with anything!
Yeah you would have. You’d have needed to change your nappiesNo I wouldn't, because I and most others don't use stupid logic by judging a manager from one game. I started the Nagelsmann watch thread long before he became RB Leipzig manager.
Calm down son, no one thinks as stupidly as you have when judging a manager.Yeah you would have. You’d have needed to change your nappies
There's no guarantee brother and I could also be wrong but I feel we should go for someone who has the right idea as far as playing a expansive attacking play style goes.I’ll bow to your better judgement. But I desperately don’t want Poch. I don’t think he has the winners instinct and he is perhaps on the way down.
we want whoever is Poch pre Spurs. My doubt with Nagelsman or Rose is age and life experience: will they be able to thrive In a new country and league, under the microscopic pressure of Old Trafford and the rabid nature of our digital fans?
If either is that good, best is to hire as a coach and have a planned handover with OGS, as he moves up to a DOF position. Perfect combination of latest coaching skills and someone who can manage the PR and politics. I wouldn’t want either young coach to own the DNA of the club.
What are your qualifications on judging how I judge a manager? I’d say it’s you who is stupid as you can’t make me think what you want me to.Calm down son, no one thinks as stupidly as you have when judging a manager.
It sounds like they implement what Ole is trying to, so there shouldn’t be any conflict between either of them as coach and OGS as DOF?There's no guarantee brother and I could also be wrong but I feel we should go for someone who has the right idea as far as playing a expansive attacking play style goes.
So for me I wouldn't look past Nagelsmann or Rose because I want their ideas implemented on the training ground which inturn would see those ideas potentially manifest on match days..
You judge a manager from one game, that is stupidity. You can disagree, of course but I don't really give a shit.What are your qualifications on judging how I judge a manager? I’d say it’s you who is stupid as you can’t make me think what you want me to.
You obviously do, my view on this obviously triggers you a great deal.You judge a manager from one game, that is stupidity. You can disagree, of course but I don't really give a shit.
It doesn't trigger me, and I didn't mention you. Someone else did.You obviously do, my view on this obviously triggers you a great deal.
Else you wouldn't have dragged me into this conversation when I wasn't even involved
I believe a number of people could be the Sporting director, as long as they stick to signing players that suit a coach who wants to implement fast transitions/high pressure.It sounds like they implement what Ole is trying to, so there shouldn’t be any conflict between either of them as coach and OGS as DOF?
you replied to him at length regarding posts from over a month ago that I'd totally forgotten about, but you hadn'tIt doesn't trigger me, and I didn't mention you. Someone else did.
Spot on. All our recent managers have been obsessed with throwing money around and building their own team. This was all to hide behind their inadequacies to coach players and improve them via modern day coaching methods. Ole is a very poor coach imo but has made some positive changes in a managerial sense.I'd love we go with a progressive young manager like this who is a great coach first and foremost. Fed up of going for big name managers and big name players who look like they don't do anything in training.
I think it would be a massive waste to dispose all the knowledge and experience OGS has from his time at the club and also gained as manager. I dont want some fancy hipster DoF who has zero connection with the club to be empowered to shape its future.I believe a number of people could be the Sporting director, as long as they stick to signing players that suit a coach who wants to implement fast transitions/high pressure.
So it wasn't me that mentioned you, rather I replied to a post about someone else mentioning you, which "triggered" a laughable post you made before. Good one.you replied to him at length regarding posts from over a month ago that I'd totally forgotten about, but you hadn't
Yeah, triggered.
He lets his sides play attractive football. That's not the way we go since FergieHe's the type of coach that our club was built on stylistically IMO.
What is it exactly that Ole is trying to implement? You seem to be the only one able to see itIt sounds like they implement what Ole is trying to, so there shouldn’t be any conflict between either of them as coach and OGS as DOF?
That‘s why he said ‘built on’He lets his sides play attractive football. That's not the way we go since Fergie
Maybe because he is a fantastic coachAm I missing something here? Gladbach haven't really got off to a great start this season so far, why the clamour for this guy again all of a sudden?
If you're going to play a diamond, you have to play van de Beek as the furthest forward midfielder as more often than not he'll end being the center forward when the two wide forwards provide width. Bruno is much better off a little deeper with time and space to pick passes.————De Gea
AWB Bailly Maguire Telles
————— Matic
———VDB————Pogba
————Fernandes
——Greenwood Rashford
Would certainly be an exciting system given the players we have!
Good initial post in his favour. But would he come here, when we don't have a director of football?I think he deserves a thread on here.
He's a 43 year old German coach who has thus far excelled at both RB Salzburg and currently at Borussia
Mönchengladbach in the German Bundesliga where he has them top of the league, punching way above their weight.
When Mourinho was sacked, Rose was someone I was quite vocal about (United) giving the job to, for his work at RB Salzburg where he implemented a fast and fluid strategy very similar to Jurgen Klopp at Liverpool which was very pleasing on the eye. Currently he's taken that on and has Gladbach 3pts clear in the German Bundesliga. Rose was reported to be on our 5 man shortlist to replace Mourinho per Neil Ashton who presents the Sunday Supplement on Sky.
It'll be interesting to see how he does for the remainder of the season and we can hopefully charter his progress with Gladbach in this thread.
Maybe, but as I say, Gladbach have had a relatively slow start, not playing to their potential in this early season, is it not best to look subjectively and weigh up how good a coach he is by seeing how he does this season?Maybe because he is a fantastic coach
I think its best to way up his whole career. Also a slow start doesn't mean they wont have a good seasonMaybe, but as I say, Gladbach have had a relatively slow start, not playing to their potential in this early season, is it not best to look subjectively and weigh up how good a coach he is by seeing how he does this season?
A DOF is in charge of transfer negotiations, and transfer strategy overall. You need someone not only with a brilliant footballing mind, but a business mind too. Not sure if Ole is the best man for the job.I’ll bow to your better judgement. But I desperately don’t want Poch. I don’t think he has the winners instinct and he is perhaps on the way down.
we want whoever is Poch pre Spurs. My doubt with Nagelsman or Rose is age and life experience: will they be able to thrive In a new country and league, under the microscopic pressure of Old Trafford and the rabid nature of our digital fans?
If either is that good, best is to hire as a coach and have a planned handover with OGS, as he moves up to a DOF position. Perfect combination of latest coaching skills and someone who can manage the PR and politics. I wouldn’t want either young coach to own the DNA of the club.
Very true, but last season they got off to a good start and faded slightly. They do the same this season without a good start then it won't be as good a season.I think its best to way up his whole career. Also a slow start doesn't mean they wont have a good season
Usually happens when a team is over performing to the talent in the squad.Very true, but last season they got off to a good start and faded slightly. They do the same this season without a good start then it won't be as good a season.
Their results against the likes of Dortmund and Berlin compared to last season are poor.
What constitutes a successful season for Gladbach now though? Champions League qualification again? A trophy?
I could back this. I think Ole is a shit coach but as a man manager he seems quite good, but we badly need a DOF & better coaches on the training pitch. It’s well known that the likes of Carlos & Rene handled a lot of United tactically on the training pitch. Obviously I’m not comparing Ole to Fergie, but if he can get guys to help him out in the way they helped Fergie it could only improve us.A DOF is in charge of transfer negotiations, and transfer strategy overall. You need someone not only with a brilliant footballing mind, but a business mind too. Not sure if Ole is the best man for the job.
For now I would back Ole as a manger, get a specialist professional DOF in, and get Ole better tactical coach than Michael Carrick.
If that fails, sack Ole, and get someone like Rose/Nagellsman and their coaching team in.
It is poor, their start to the season has been shocking compared to last season,Usually happens when a team is over performing to the talent in the squad.
Seems to me you are overreating to a few poor results at the start of the season and not beating Dortmund is never a poor result, one could say Liverpool getting trashed 7-2 by Villa compared to last season is poor too.
If they make UCL again they have done fantastic