A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

[NWRed]

Koeman became Barca manager....

How about you actually give him a chance to make a claim. He did attract PL interest initially from his work at Molde after all, there were other clubs after him, not only Cardiff.
Poch was Spurs manager for 5 years and won nothing, and bottled multiple chances, if Spurs stuck with him, he potentially could have put a nail into his reputation, as it stands the mythology around him remains.

If Ole can repeat the same as last year, close the gap and win a trophy, he will move up in the reputation stakes.
That said Ole's also showed his bottling of chances, missing out on top 4 in his first (half season) year and not at least converting 3 semi finals into a final.

I think you are overrating Poch, I don't rate either that highly, if we get Poch, it would be more of a side step than anything.

This is hardly supporting the decision, Barca, along with us, are one of the most incompetently run clubs in world football.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Just requoting this:



I think some of you might not understand what we'd be getting with Pochettino and that isn't trophies. 3 away wins in 28 with Tottenham, three. Let that sink in, THREE.

Yes but he’s so obviously better than Ole according to some. It’s a fact, he’s better!! Don’t come here with stats like that.

It would be a sideways step and nothing more

 

[Matriac]

Nothing to do with bombing at Cardiff then

Ole had been approached by PL clubs before Cardiff, but turned them down. For some reason he was excited by the Cardiff project sold to him by the owner. So he convinced his family to go for it.

Cardiff was on a trajectory going straight down when Ole joined mid season. His fault was not being able to turn it around. Yes he failed there, he's admitted as much, and that he learned from it.

He tried, it didn't work out, and to me it makes sense to not take bigger risks at that point for a while until his kids got older. Instead of potentially having to move again after a year if it didn't work out at the next club.

He was even planning to stay at Molde for longer, but he couldn't turn us down when we came calling.

Again, is he the best manager in the world? No of course not, nobody will claim that. But I'm excited about how we are developing under him. And I don't see any other manager that I would happily swap him out for at this point.
If results become worse, then yes someone else needs to come in.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Lets see. Took his team to the Champions league final and still in his prime as a manager, yes he is the right choice. Maybe the only right choice.
Is he the one to take us to the next step? Well making the champions league finals would be nice. He's done it...
Thats alot different than Ole and his success or whatever it was at Cardiff.
Different from Mourinho and Van Gaal as he is in his prime as a manager right now.
And different from Moyes cuz we've seen them both in the premier league.

Sometimes the most obvious answer is the right answer. Poch is the most obvious answer.

How is he in his prime when he just got sacked for bombing down the league with his club? Just because of his age?

 

[CG1010]

Football is a very simple game. Get the right manager in like Klopp when Liverpool did and Woodward would be considered a genius now. We have spent more than Liverpool since Klopp got there. Imagine Klopp with even more money.

In case you remember Klopp thought he would rather be with miserly Liverpool than high spending United. So its not just about "spend". Mourinho wanted Perisic and woodword blocked it for not being fancy enough. Would he have similarly done so for Mane? Would woodword have blocked out sale of Coutinho and purchase of VVD as he was deemed too expensive?

 

[Zlatan 7]

I have seen some shit posting and shit posters over the last decade on the Caf. But you take the cake. Cultists like you are what is ailing the fanbase at the moment. Hope you can someday get rid of your blind hatred, irrespective of whether Pochettino or any other top coach manages us. But for now keep supporting your idol like the cultist you are. See if that saves his bacon. Find a thread where you can brown-nose him properly. And maybe feck off with him when United do get a new manager. Lunatic. Ignored.

You had a mare in that convo banging on about net spend. It was pointed out to you that Poch actually spent £400m over 5 years and only one year did he not sign anyone. You replied going on about net spend again. That has nothing to do with the money Poch spent or agreed to spend on absolute shit. You make out as if Poch is the messiah and call the other poster @starman a cultist yet throughout the conversation stated he didn’t he even rate Ole that high ffs

 

[Zlatan 7]

There are an abundant of other posts with substance explaining how Poch is clearly a better coach than Ole. To even need an explanation to this is incredible. Well, you’re entitled to your own opinion I guess.

I’d like to see why you think he’d do so well with us instead of blindly using others posts?
What about Poch do you like and why is he our saviour?

 

[Zlatan 7]

Probably has a lot to do with the fact that Ole's oldest kid is the same age as Poch's youngest.

Ole's youngest is 10-11 now, and it makes sense to me that he wanted his kids to have a foundational upbringing in the same area as he and his wife did. Growing up close to their family etc.

Especially because he could also combine it with a job in the area that was interesting enough (Molde) and he could develop his managerial talents/experience, while having the option to go abroad again later if he wanted to when the kids got older.


I'm not saying that Ole is necessarily better than Poch, but I'm not convinced that he is worse either. If Ole got fired tomorrow I wouldn't feel real excited about the prospect of hiring Poch, but I would of course support him to do well if we did.

My opinion is that I think Ole has taken the club in a positive direction since joining, and I've felt proper excited about watching our games again.
The performance in the new season now has been troubling, but I don't think it's time to fire Ole just yet. I think he deserves more time with the results so far. Time will tell if he is up for the task or not.

I just take offense to those using his extended stay in Norway as proof that he couldn't work elsewhere. His family made sacrifices for him his entire career, it was only fair that he returned the favor while his kids were young after his time at United had run its course.

Great post and a pleasure to read some sense in here amongst the false worship of poch

 

[RkkMan]

In case you remember Klopp thought he would rather be with miserly Liverpool than high spending United. So its not just about "spend". Mourinho wanted Perisic and woodword blocked it for not being fancy enough. Would he have similarly done so for Mane? Would woodword have blocked out sale of Coutinho and purchase of VVD as he was deemed too expensive?

TBF nobody in their right mind would pay 50m for Perisic

 

[Zlatan 7]

Poch is the Foreign more exotic David Moyes.

Moyes had Everton playing really good football, I used to enjoy watching them, they were fierce and attacking. He also almost got them to the champions league, and if he was there while the other Bigger clubs (us, Arsenal, Chelsea) were all having a mare rebuilding I’m sure he would have got top four more often too.

Poch carried on from what Redknapp did, maybe better, maybe not. Top four and not winning anything else. Yet again Poch is more exotic though.

I’d like to be proven wrong without smilies

 

[Stretender]

In case you remember Klopp thought he would rather be with miserly Liverpool than high spending United. So its not just about "spend". Mourinho wanted Perisic and woodword blocked it for not being fancy enough. Would he have similarly done so for Mane? Would woodword have blocked out sale of Coutinho and purchase of VVD as he was deemed too expensive?

May be as a CEO of Manchester United you should be making a better pitch of selling your club to prospective managers instead of saying abstract nonsense like this is an adult Disneyland?

I am 100 per cent sure if Woodward had articulated his plan properly to Klopp, he would have come here. What is the ambition? Project- how soon do you want United to win the premier league? Funding- what budget are we looking at to achieve the project? Personnel- who is going to help Klopp negotiate transfers, buy or sell players? Do you have the best football people to help Klopp with that?

If Woodward had a serious plan, Klopp would be here today. We all have seen how amateurish Woodward approached Jadon Sancho transfer. The only managers he will be able to convince are those after a big pay cheque. He has no clear plan or structure to help a new manager succeed.

Let's accept it, Liverpool had a plan and Klopp bought into that plan.

 

[CG1010]

TBF nobody in their right mind would pay 50m for Perisic

It would have been a lot better than the Sanchez transfer. It's the same, penny wise pound foolish approach.. maybe Woodward would have done the same with Mane. Klopp was just smart enough to realise that.

 

[Mark Pawelek]

I hope we don't replace Ole with Poch, that will be a false dawn in itself.

Your comments are sometimes bizarre, and at a sniping level. I almost want to Ignore you just to escape reading you. I was an Ole fan but now I've lost faith. The coaching has to improve. Are you happy with the current coaching? How many big defeats would you be willing to accept before you change your mind?, Finally: are you Ole's mum?

 

[CG1010]

May be as a CEO of Manchester United you should be making a better pitch of selling your club to prospective managers instead of saying abstract nonsense like this is an adult Disneyland?

I am 100 per cent sure if Woodward had articulated his plan properly to Klopp, he would have come here. What is the ambition? Project- how soon do you want United to win the premier league? Funding- what budget are we looking at to achieve the project? Personnel- who is going to help Klopp negotiate transfers, buy or sell players? Do you have the best football people to help Klopp with that?

If Woodward had a serious plan, Klopp would be here today. We all have seen how amateurish Woodward approached Jadon Sancho transfer. The only managers he will be able to convince are those after a big pay cheque. He has no clear plan or structure to help a new manager succeed.

Let's accept it, Liverpool had a plan and Klopp bought into that plan.

That's exactly what I am saying.. we as a club don't have a footballing plan. That's the problem. No manager, save Fergie Mk II can solve it. And even he had a headstart of 15 years at the club before he had to deal with the Glazers.

 

[Cassidy]

Poch is the Foreign more exotic David Moyes.

Moyes had Everton playing really good football, I used to enjoy watching them, they were fierce and attacking. He also almost got them to the champions league, and if he was there while the other Bigger clubs (us, Arsenal, Chelsea) were all having a mare rebuilding I’m sure he would have got top four more often too.

Poch carried on from what Redknapp did, maybe better, maybe not. Top four and not winning anything else. Yet again Poch is more exotic though.

I’d like to be proven wrong without smilies

Didn't realise David Moyes took Everton into UCL
Also didn't realise Redknapp came 2nd in PL and reached UCL final.

Its fair to say Poch has not won any trophies, but he obviously achieved more than David Moyes.

Time will tell but I would say Poch will prove he is levels above those managers you just mentioned at his next club.
Before Spurs you could have said he had won nothing too, but after Southampton he further progressed at Spurs (and not by buying a new team).
Maybe if he kept Spurs a Europa League level club instead of UCL he could have won that.

Is he good enough to win big trophies at United? That is a question mark, we don't know if he cant get a team over the line yet, but I think he has shown he has a lot of potential to do so.

I'm not a lets get Poch in fan to be honest, I feel United would screw him over just like they do most managers, but I'm not having this talk of Ole bing a better coach, or Poch not being a very good one.
He has proven at 2 PL clubs he is a very good coach, question is is he a top one?

 

[Zlatan 7]

Didn't realise David Moyes took Everton into UCL
Also didn't realise Redknapp came 2nd in PL and reached UCL final.

Its fair to say Poch has not won any trophies, but he obviously achieved more than David Moyes.

Time will tell but I would say Poch will prove he is levels above those managers you just mentioned at his next club.
Before Spurs you could have said he had won nothing too, but after Southampton he further progressed at Spurs (and not by buying a new team).
Maybe if he kept Spurs a Europa League level club instead of UCL he could have won that.

Is he good enough to win big trophies at United? That is a question mark, we don't know if he cant get a team over the line yet, but I think he has shown he has a lot of potential to do so.

You obviously didn’t read my post where I said Poch did this With spurs while the other top four were having meltdowns

 

[Zlatan 7]

Didn't realise David Moyes took Everton into UCL
Also didn't realise Redknapp came 2nd in PL and reached UCL final.

Its fair to say Poch has not won any trophies, but he obviously achieved more than David Moyes.

Time will tell but I would say Poch will prove he is levels above those managers you just mentioned at his next club.
Before Spurs you could have said he had won nothing too, but after Southampton he further progressed at Spurs (and not by buying a new team).
Maybe if he kept Spurs a Europa League level club instead of UCL he could have won that.

Is he good enough to win big trophies at United? That is a question mark, we don't know if he cant get a team over the line yet, but I think he has shown he has a lot of potential to do so.

I'm not a lets get Poch in fan to be honest, I feel United would screw him over just like they do most managers, but I'm not having this talk of Ole bing a better coach, or Poch not being a very good one.
He has proven at 2 PL clubs he is a very good coach, question is is he a top one?

What did he spend £400m on then?

 

[Cassidy]

You obviously didn’t read my post where I said Poch did this With spurs while the other top four were having meltdowns

So reaching a UCL final is dependant on other PL clubs melting? Right....

 

[Cassidy]

What did he spend £400m on then?

Over 5 years? Ridiculous.

 

[Mark Pawelek]

It'll be very awkward for some on here if Ole gets the sack and we appoint Poch. I mean, some have made a tonne of negative posts about Poch and some even claimed Ole is better.

I wonder will these posters pretend they never said anything negative about Poch and give him the same blind, unwavering support that they afford to Ole. It's going to be interesting if this Poch managing us scenario plays out.

I admit I made negative comments about Pouch when the hysteria in favouring him was strong. I said Pouch never won anything with Spurs. I never said Ole was a better coach; I hoped Ole could delegate the coaching to good coaches and would be able to implement his vision. But, maybe not. If there are more goals shipped like this I'll be time to move Ole on. It's not just one game we let too many in. Even when we won it was at the death. If Pouch is the best available, I guess we'll get him.

It's not about exposing, these posters. This forum isn't about the posters.

 

[Mark Pawelek]

That's exactly what I am saying.. we as a club don't have a footballing plan. That's the problem. No manager, save Fergie Mk II can solve it. And even he had a headstart of 15 years at the club before he had to deal with the Glazers.

That's not the only problem, and it isn't the problem discussed in this thread. The immediate problem is all those goals we've been conceding.

 

[Swearing Budgie]

I would have Graham Potter over Ole tbf tbs

 

[CG1010]

That's not the only problem, and it isn't the problem discussed in this thread. The immediate problem is all those goals we've been conceding.

Until you solve that problem first, you can bring your next exotic manager and keep hoping things will change. And sure another manager could improve the results somewhat but he isn't changing fundamentally how our club is doing. It's like hoping that a drunk blind driver can get you home if only you buy a nicer car

 

[Lyng]

What exactly is this United spirit that Ole is bringing back because I just don't see it? If its signing British players, do you think it's working? Is it the United mentality of never giving up because all I see are a group of shell-shocked players who are probably the weakest characters we've had for a long long time at the club. Is it playing youth where natural talent picks itself? Please explain because I really am at a loss as to this United way people are seeing.

I don’t know where this only signing British players idea being Ole’s idea comes from. DvB and Bruno aren’t British.

The spirit is his way about the press, not throwing players under the bus in public, yet we have heard that he can be a downright devil behind closed doors. Last season we finished third. On top of that the times we have played well under Ole has been some of the most beautiful football since Fergie.

I agree the team, and Ole, look deflated right now but I don’t put that on Ole.
It’s clear the board made promises in regards to transfers to Ole and the team if they secured chl.
Those promises where never met.
I think the boards lack of ambition, incompetenc and lies have sucked all energy out of our players.

So why is he still here then? Why is he not moaning? Because he loves the club above all else. And that is the spirit we need right now.

Why should the players and Ole be any less deflated by the boards actions than us fans?

 

[GDaly95]

I would have Graham Potter over Ole tbf tbs

What? Who in the world would have finished higher than 3rd last season? Jesus christ

 

[Cassidy]

I don’t know where this only signing British players idea being Ole’s idea comes from. DvB and Bruno aren’t British.

The spirit is his way about the press, not throwing players under the bus in public, yet we have heard that he can be a downright devil behind closed doors. Last season we finished third. On top of that the times we have played well under Ole has been some of the most beautiful football since Fergie.

I agree the team, and Ole, look deflated right now but I don’t put that on Ole.
It’s clear the board made promises in regards to transfers to Ole and the team if they secured chl.
Those promises where never met.
I think the boards lack of ambition, incompetenc and lies have sucked all energy out of our players.

So why is he still here then? Why is he not moaning? Because he loves the club above all else. And that is the spirit we need right now.

Why should the players and Ole be any less deflated by the boards actions than us fans?

Well apparently DvB was not a top target of Oles and his was Sancho and Grealish (for the position we signed DvB in)
Last summer the briefings were that United needed to get back to its British core

 

[Mark Pawelek]

Until you solve that problem first, you can bring your next exotic manager and keep hoping things will change. And sure another manager could improve the results somewhat but he isn't changing fundamentally how our club is doing. It's like hoping that a drunk blind driver can get you home if only you buy a nicer car

I'm hoping we stop conceding goals like a team playing with a crippled goalie. It's not that I have a short-term outlook. I think you're in the wrong thread. Ole's been here for here for 18 months. He's has 4 transfer windows. You don't get to blame everything on the board. Buying Sancho does not improve the defense. Selling deadwood we want sold does not improve the defence. Everything isn't only about Glazers.

 

[Swearing Budgie]

What? Who in the world would have finished higher than 3rd last season? Jesus christ

I would have, with that squad. I could have managed 30pts off top spot by just telling them to go out and enjoy themselves, hoping that one expensive megastar would win it with 'a moment'. Probably a pen.

It's not a complicated game. But look at how Potter had a relatively shite squad playing against us the other week. That's down to training and coaching.

Jesus Christ knows feck all about football.

 

[Mark Pawelek]

Well apparently DvB was not a top target of Oles and his was Sancho and Grealish (for the position we signed DvB in)
Last summer the briefings were that United needed to get back to its British core

So you think it's even rational to buy Sancho, Grealish and Fernandes in the space of 6 months - £250m on attacking players. Would anyone, apart from a mad-man expect Glazers to approve that?

Also: How does having Sancho, Grealish and Fernandes in the team stop us shipping goals like, say a Sunderland in their relegation year?

 

[Litch]

Footballers wife bought a Range Rover and painted it pink. Why, cause she wanted to and secondly cause she owns it irrespective of what people think. The Glazers own the club and being a football or Utd fan isn't a prerequisite to doing so. People say it's a business not a football club, well ask Bury when people run it the other way around. That said, the balance is right and Poch proved at Spurs that he can straddle both where there are owners that don't want to spend their money. He proven he can develop players and got Spurs punching above their weight for years. If people are waiting for the owners to leave this cash cow, they be waiting a long time. There is nothing to say the next owners would adopt a different business model anyway.....

 

[Zlatan 7]

So reaching a UCL final is dependant on other PL clubs melting? Right....

You know that’s not what I meant, never mind.
And that champions league run?

 

[Zlatan 7]

Over 5 years? Ridiculous.

You said he didn’t buy a new team, people make out he had no budget. So what was the money spent on?

 

[Idxomer]

Poch is the Foreign more exotic David Moyes.

Moyes had Everton playing really good football, I used to enjoy watching them, they were fierce and attacking. He also almost got them to the champions league, and if he was there while the other Bigger clubs (us, Arsenal, Chelsea) were all having a mare rebuilding I’m sure he would have got top four more often too.

Poch carried on from what Redknapp did, maybe better, maybe not. Top four and not winning anything else. Yet again Poch is more exotic though.

I’d like to be proven wrong without smilies

Moyes didn't play good football, it was as safe as it gets with him at Everton. There was nothing fierce about them under him. Comparing him with Poch is laughable on many levels. The top four weren't always strong during his reign and the best he got in 12 seasons is the top 4 once with a negative goal difference.

There are no maybes that Poch did better Redknapp, they scored more goals, points with him, and got their highest points and finish in the premier league under him. Do you want another fact? Spurs three highest finishes in the PL are with Pochettino.

 

[Matt851]

Poch is the Foreign more exotic David Moyes.

Moyes had Everton playing really good football, I used to enjoy watching them, they were fierce and attacking. He also almost got them to the champions league, and if he was there while the other Bigger clubs (us, Arsenal, Chelsea) were all having a mare rebuilding I’m sure he would have got top four more often too.

Poch carried on from what Redknapp did, maybe better, maybe not. Top four and not winning anything else. Yet again Poch is more exotic though.

I’d like to be proven wrong without smilies

What about Southampton? He transformed their playing style in a matter of weeks

 

[Cassidy]

You said he didn’t buy a new team, people make out he had no budget. So what was the money spent on?

He literally didn't for 18 months of the 5 years. 18 months in which they ended up reaching the UCL final and the most critical point in his time there where the squad needed an evolution

 

[Idxomer]

Imagine if Ole got 2nd with 86 points in a league that had Mourinho, Klopp, and Guardiola and finished above every one of them.

 

[Zlatan 7]

He literally didn't for 18 months of the 5 years. 18 months in which they ended up reaching the UCL final and the most critical point in his time there where the squad needed an evolution

So he did spend £400m. On what?

 

[Zlatan 7]

Imagine if Ole got 2nd with 86 points in a league that had Mourinho, Klopp, and Guardiola and finished above every one of them.

Nice avoiding of context. I like it

 

[Zlatan 7]

Moyes didn't play good football, it was as safe as it gets with him at Everton. There was nothing fierce about them under him. Comparing him with Poch is laughable on many levels. The top four weren't always strong during his reign and the best he got in 12 seasons is the top 4 once with a negative goal difference.

There are no maybes that Poch did better Redknapp, they scored more goals, points with him, and got their highest points and finish in the premier league under him. Do you want another fact? Spurs three highest finishes in the PL are with Pochettino.

Good post, I disagree about Everton not playing good football. They were a very decent team and good to watch. If Moyes didn’t come here he wouldn’t be the laughing stock he now is.

fair enough re Poch getting more points than Redknapp, still doesn’t mean all that much and will all be relative to where other teams were that season.

 

[Cassidy]

So he did spend £400m. On what?

Establishing Spurs as a top 4 team and UCL knockout regulars obviously, or do you forget what they were before he took over? Some of that 400m was also spent the summer before he left.