Premier league matches to be shown on PPV basis via BT and Sky

[Sandikan]

I don’t have virgin so I wouldn’t know

But that was in response to someone suggesting one of the deals was just for Sky customers, so I brought up a deal for virgin customers

I didn't mean "only" with Sky customers, I meant more that these deals require you to have a subscription/broadband with someone.

I hoped there was a standalone deal for BT like there is through Now tv for Sky sports

 

[Sandikan]

As has been said it is getting better all the time but the biggest issue is people want to pay a fraction of the full cost for something then complain when it isn’t exactly the same in terms of quality/reliability.

The product will always be inferior to an extent, as any mirror/copy is.

It’s also startling how many people don’t know about VPNs etc. I’m well removed from using SopCast on my uni laptop but to get the best out of it people need to do a little reading into it.

When I lived with my mother years back we had Sky & the issue in itself wasn’t the Sports Package it was that you had to have other packages as standard.

I don’t know if it’s changed or not but you couldn’t just get Sky & have only sports channels.

It was sold in sets, Entertainment, Kids, Movies, Sport but you couldn’t actually just have one without tethering it to others.

Maybe it’s different now but I think that’s why people give the whole value not just the package value.

Yep - I think your explanation is 100% still the way it is.

 

[TheLiverBird]

I didn't mean "only" with Sky customers, I meant more that these deals require you to have a subscription/broadband with someone.

I hoped there was a standalone deal for BT like there is through Now tv for Sky sports

Ahh I see what you mean

There are and have been stand alone bt sport “App” deals with no need for Sky or Virgin etc

On Wowcher and hotel deals

I think there’s one on hotukdeals now for plusnet customers for 2 months of BT sport for free etc

Essentially my point is there are always better deals than the standard fixed pricing

I’m just trying to help folks out by telling them to keep more of an eye out for them nothing more

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

There's been a little bit of outrage but not enough to change the tide. I'd like the football bubble to pop in order to bring the game back down to earth.

It’s going to.

The generation coming up are used to downloading/streaming stuff at their convenience so tying people into the 18 month £75+ a month contracts to watch one thing out of 100 other useless ones won’t go over.

I’m not saying it’s good that people are now dictating somethings value & not coubterwise but look at Netflix, people are willing to pay for something they see value in but if they started charging an extra £3 for every new release it’d go pop.

The time to create a Premier League channel with games & dedicated content is now otherwise the casual fan will more & more consume goal highlights on social media & if really interested watch MoTD. Then there are the ‘cord-cutters’ that watch illegally.

They need a direct to consumer platform because my son won’t be shelling out £100 a month to watch a few games a week. . .

 

[Ludens the Red]

I said in some cases

In that scenario it would be a case of sharing with family friends via NowTV and BT Sport subscriptions of which isn’t just restricted to Sky tv or Virgin, you can view BT via just the app, most smart TVs or all NowTV boxes have the BT Sport app to log into

I think like someone else mentioned

Folks are including their broadband and TV deal into the package

Yeah if it was split yeah you’d save but if not then there are zero cheap options.
Not to sound cocky but I know exactly how they all work and the methods to reduce prices etc but ultimately when Sky, BT and virgin do all these deals there is always a catch.

They give you 18 month deals for a lower price but during those months they will send you a letter twice a year about a standard “£4 a month increase” to “improve the service” and then after 18 months prices are back to being rocket high and most people would have forgotten at that stage.

Then with Sky and virgin, in order to even get a sports package you MUST pay for a basic package even if you have zero interest in their other products. Then they start throwing in extra hd charges.
The ONLY way of getting a decent price regularly is to pretend to leave every 18 months and after 4/5 years (as my mate found) they then stop offering you cheap deals anyway.

But yeah unless you share bill with others there are absolutely no cheap alternatives. Even Nowtv, yeah it’s 25£ but it’s a stream so never looks quite right live and if you live in certain areas of the U.K. you have buffering issues.
You also can’t record, rewind or any of that extra stuff.

All these companies have us by the fecking balls. All the work arounds, kodi, dodgy boxes, streams etc are all being shut down on a daily basis with even police resources now being used just so Sky and co can continue to feck us all to death.

 

[Sandikan]

Ahh I see what you mean

There are and have been stand alone bt sport “App” deals with no need for Sky or Virgin etc

On Wowcher and hotel deals

I think there’s one on hotukdeals now for plusnet customers for 2 months of BT sport for free etc

Essentially my point is there are always better deals than the standard fixed pricing

I’m just trying to help folks out by telling them to keep more of an eye out for them nothing more

All appreciated.
I'm with sky broadband, but it doesn't actually help me to get their football any cheaper in the format I want, which is odd.
It's too much of a hassle to move it to, i'd prefer just to suck up the occasional £25s for BT when the fixtures are worth it.

Having tasted the proper sky and BT footage, the idea of messing about with a stream doesn't hold much appeal.

 

[Deery]

So someone paying £100 a month for sports and moaning about it isn’t an idiot??

Even if you haven’t got family or friends to split the bill with, NowTV have just literally advertised for £25 a month full Sky although regular customers were emailed a better offer including myself which was a £20 a month for the season.

BT Sports are always advertising every year on Wowcher for £7.99/£9.99 a month depending on which offer you manage to latch onto first

Even people with Sky have deals better that £20 a month because of threatening to leave etc but the NowTV Deal is more suitable for those that want to share making the deal better than any legitimate options out there

So how anyone is paying upwards of £100....no forget £100, even £40 a month, is totally beyond me

Maybe stating people are idiots is a little harsh as obviously there will be folks that aren’t “savvy” when it comes to these things, more the older generation I’m talking about here

Now TV is £33.99 a month for Sky sports and Wowcher £9.00 a month for BT sport so that’s £42.99 a month for all the football.

That’s a far cry off the 90% you claimed to be able to get off.

Plus you’d need internet access at £33 a month so altogether that’s £75.99 a month.

 

[fergieisold]

As has been said it is getting better all the time but the biggest issue is people want to pay a fraction of the full cost for something then complain when it isn’t exactly the same in terms of quality/reliability.

The product will always be inferior to an extent, as any mirror/copy is.

It’s also startling how many people don’t know about VPNs etc. I’m well removed from using SopCast on my uni laptop but to get the best out of it people need to do a little reading into it.

When I lived with my mother years back we had Sky & the issue in itself wasn’t the Sports Package it was that you had to have other packages as standard.

I don’t know if it’s changed or not but you couldn’t just get Sky & have only sports channels.

It was sold in sets, Entertainment, Kids, Movies, Sport but you couldn’t actually just have one without tethering it to others.

Maybe it’s different now but I think that’s why people give the whole value not just the package value.

The only stable and reliable IPTV service I’ve had cost about 20£ a month but it always worked. Was quite happy at that price because any of the free once simply don’t work (long term)

 

[TheLiverBird]

Yeah if it was split yeah you’d save but if not then there are zero cheap options.
Not to sound cocky but I know exactly how they all work and the methods to reduce prices etc but ultimately when Sky, BT and virgin do all these deals there is always a catch.

They give you 18 month deals for a lower price but during those months they will send you a letter twice a year about a standard “£4 a month increase” to “improve the service” and then after 18 months prices are back to being rocket high and most people would have forgotten at that stage.

Then with Sky and virgin, in order to even get a sports package you MUST pay for a basic package even if you have zero interest in their other products. Then they start throwing in extra hd charges.
The ONLY way of getting a decent price regularly is to pretend to leave every 18 months and after 4/5 years (as my mate found) they then stop offering you cheap deals anyway.

But yeah unless you share bill with others there are absolutely no cheap alternatives. Even Nowtv, yeah it’s 25£ but it’s a stream so never looks quite right live and if you live in certain areas of the U.K. you have buffering issues.
You also can’t record, rewind or any of that extra stuff.

All these companies have us by the fecking balls. All the work arounds, kodi, dodgy boxes, streams etc are all being shut down on a daily basis with even police resources now being used just so Sky and co can continue to feck us all to death.

Fair enough mate

And a decent informative reply

I must admit I’ve heard on a few occasions from a few about the buffering and picture quality of NowTV before

But personally in my opinion, in the 3 years I’ve been streaming my sports through them, the picture quality has been outstanding, with me splitting it 3 ways with family we also have the £3 a month boost option which allows viewing on 3 devices at any one time and also HD, and it’s absolutely incredible

Never experienced buffering, it couldn’t be more perfect in the experience I’ve had with it

Purchasing legitimate sports packs alone is trickier these days on the bank balance for those that don’t have Sky or Virgin, I totally agree, but for those that do, deals are out there

But for those that can, sharing is definitely the way forward

Except of course for those that are loaded

 

[Sandikan]

Now TV is £33.99 a month for Sky sports and Wowcher £9.00 a month for BT sport so that’s £42.99 a month for all the football.

That’s a far cry off the 90% you claimed to be able to get off.

Plus you’d need internet access at £33 a month so altogether that’s £75.99 a month.

Now tv is £25 for 9 months, or £20 for 9 months if you could wangle it.

That wowcher £9 a month is fairly restrictive in who can get it too? You have to have sky tv already for one?

 

[TheLiverBird]

Now TV is £33.99 a month for Sky sports and Wowcher £9.00 a month for BT sport so that’s £42.99 a month for all the football.

That’s a far cry off the 90% you claimed to be able to get off.

Plus you’d need internet access at £33 a month so altogether that’s £75.99 a month.

There was an offer on for many many weeks at £25 a month for NowTV Sky Sports for 12 months

Plus your adding in broadband......we all have to have broadband with or without sports so that’s not really an addition

So £34 a month for full Sky and BT sports

My 90% claim is for us sharers

An option I’m sure many have skipped past

I’m just bringing it to light for those that “haven’t” thought about it

It’s not a claim either, it’s a fact, I pay £10.90 a month because I share my NowTV and BT sport with my Dad and Brother where we can all watch football at our own homes at the same time

If your not in a position to share then that’s unfortunate, if you are, you have 2 family members or close friends....£10.90 a month, piss easy

 

[Deery]

Now tv is £25 for 9 months, or £20 for 9 months if you could wangle it.

That wowcher £9 a month is fairly restrictive in who can get it too? You have to have sky tv already for one?

Now TV website saying £33.99 you must have had to have been an existing customer to qualify for the £25 a month deal.
Couldn’t really understand the Wowcher deal was either £9.00 or £12.00

 

[Sandikan]

Now TV website saying £33.99 you must have had to have been an existing customer to qualify for the £25 a month deal.
Couldn’t really understand the Wowcher deal was either £9.00 or £12.00

No, the £25 a month deal was a free for all. It's just ended now(and my mistake, it was for 12months not 9 )
https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nowtv-sky-sports-month-pass-ps2500-a-month-for-12-months-3540282

The really good deal, was £20 a month for 9months, which you had to have had last year (I managed to get it though)

Unlike last year, where the deal was a pay a one off fee at the start, this year you can cancel at any time - you just can't get back on it later.
So in effect this year is the better version.

 

[UweBein]

Will it be 15£ a game?

 

[Deery]

There was an offer on for many many weeks at £25 a month for NowTV Sky Sports for 12 months

Plus your adding in broadband......we all have to have broadband with or without sports so that’s not really an addition

So £34 a month for full Sky and BT sports

My 90% claim is for us sharers

An option I’m sure many have skipped past

I’m just bringing it to light for those that “haven’t” thought about it

It’s not a claim either, it’s a fact, I pay £10.90 a month because I share my NowTV and BT sport with my Dad and Brother where we can all watch football at our own homes at the same time

If your not in a position to share then that’s unfortunate, if you are, you have 2 family members or close friends....£10.90 a month, piss easy

You don’t need to have the internet for Sky/BT sports, I watched it for about a year without internet. Only used internet on my mobile data but that’s neither here nor there.
That offer isn’t available now for £25, there website is saying £33.99..

There’s a slight saving but it’s not massive, the sharing option is the only way to save a decent amount of money which isn’t possible for me.

But, I’ve just been offered a firestick for £50 for the year so might take that anyway.


Come to think of it if you’re taking into consideration the sharing option then you have to take in to consideration the three separate internet connections so that’s over £100 by it self.

 

[Port Vale Devil]

You don’t need to have the internet for Sky/BT sports, I watched it for about a year without internet. Only used internet on my mobile data but that’s neither here nor there.
That offer isn’t available now for £25, there website is saying £33.99..

There’s a slight saving but it’s not massive, the sharing option is the only way to save a decent amount of money which isn’t possible for me.

But, I’ve just been offered a firestick for £50 for the year so might take that anyway.


Come to think of it if you’re taking into consideration the sharing option then you have to take in to consideration the three separate internet connections so that’s over £100 by it self.

Can vouch for IPTV as of today. I'm not cancelling Sky or BT as I get it all for £88 per month through Virgin and am quite happy with that. Already had a couple of firesticks and I paid £70 for IPTV on both for the year as the wife hasn't got enough choice with Sky Movies, Netflix and Prime. Great quality but maybe a minute behind live sport but unless you are sitting watching flashscores or soccer saturday then there is no bother.

Basically all I did was download an app off the firestick and was given a username and password from the provider.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Beauty of now tv is it's so flexi, jump in for a month, sack it off after etc.
They even offered a £25 a month 9 month deal that you can bin at any stage!
The best deal was the £20 a month, but only "selected" people get that, which seemed to be those who'd had a year pass last year.

I managed to wangle on that via pal, and that's pretty superb a deal.

BT only looks worth it if either United are on a couple of times, or the champions league has kicked in.

Thanks, I’ll have a look

 

[Deery]

Can vouch for IPTV as of today. I'm not cancelling Sky or BT as I get it all for £88 per month through Virgin and am quite happy with that. Already had a couple of firesticks and I paid £70 for IPTV on both for the year as the wife hasn't got enough choice with Sky Movies, Netflix and Prime. Great quality but maybe a minute behind live sport but unless you are sitting watching flashscores or soccer saturday then there is no bother.

Basically all I did was download an app off the firestick and was given a username and password from the provider.

Sounds good, yeah am thinking on keeping my Sky subscription too just in case the the stream gets busted or something.

It will feel good not having to pay PPV anymore that’s for sure..

 

[Rolandofgilead]

Done with the league. The people saying its cheaper than a ticket etc seem not to mind the life blood of the game being ripped out of football.

Yeah, I commentate on a live streaming service for Weymouth and we charge £9.99 for our stream. But that money literally keeps the club going, that is the difference. United for example with the millions they make in sponsorships alone can survive years without crowds.

This would have been a perfect opportunity for clubs to give a little back to their loyal support base. But greed (this passed with a 19-1 vote, only Leicester voted against) dictates that the clubs think 'bollocks to the fans' and sadly, thousands will still buy the streams.

Bollocks to the clubs and bollocks to the league.

 

[Bale Bale Bale]

D'ya know what I miss? Champions League on ITV.

Maybe it's nostalgia on my part but the games just felt more important when they were on ITV.

 

[philipos]

I’ve got a season ticket (although not been asked to renew yet) and have BT Sport with BT Broadband and got the Sky Sports Now TV deal for £25pm but I refuse to pay £15 to watch the Newcastle match.

 

[Ludens the Red]

D'ya know what I miss? Champions League on ITV.

Maybe it's nostalgia on my part but the games just felt more important when they were on ITV.

100% agree. Nothing beats a Wednesday nights CL game on Itv with Clive Tydesley. I member..

Fair enough mate

And a decent informative reply

I must admit I’ve heard on a few occasions from a few about the buffering and picture quality of NowTV before

But personally in my opinion, in the 3 years I’ve been streaming my sports through them, the picture quality has been outstanding, with me splitting it 3 ways with family we also have the £3 a month boost option which allows viewing on 3 devices at any one time and also HD, and it’s absolutely incredible

Never experienced buffering, it couldn’t be more perfect in the experience I’ve had with it

Purchasing legitimate sports packs alone is trickier these days on the bank balance for those that don’t have Sky or Virgin, I totally agree, but for those that do, deals are out there

But for those that can, sharing is definitely the way forward

Except of course for those that are loaded

Think the streaming quality is dependant in the area you live. So I think for some people they literally cannot even get nowtv unless they move house.
Was similar to me but with broadband. I could only get fibre optic in my area, nothing below would work so that shot my internet bill up from £10 with sky to £30 with BT.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

I don’t have virgin so I wouldn’t know

But that was in response to someone suggesting one of the deals was just for Sky customers, so I brought up a deal for virgin customers

You are a Liverpool fan of course you aren't a virgin, everyone knows they sleep with their own sisters.

 

[clarkydaz]

D'ya know what I miss? Champions League on ITV.

Maybe it's nostalgia on my part but the games just felt more important when they were on ITV.

yeah felt like everyone was watching them

 

[bludsucker]

£14.95/- a game!!!! You can pay the equivalent of £5 per annum and get all games in India. They really do not care about fans domestically it seems. Get a good vpn service and an account with hotstar and you are set.

 

[Sandikan]

D'ya know what I miss? Champions League on ITV.

Maybe it's nostalgia on my part but the games just felt more important when they were on ITV.

Yep, glory days. We had a great team, you didn't have 4 teams from a country in the cup, and it all felt a lot more important.

Letting some pay subscription take it was a bit of a disgrace, but then we could say that for the Premier league itself. But at least the latter has led to a lot of positives too. Not sure there's any positives of BT having the champions league?

 

[Cloud7]

Normally there's at least one corporate bootlicker in threads like this trying to defend this greed. I'm glad to see that for once there's none of that.

 

[giggs-beckham]

D'ya know what I miss? Champions League on ITV.

Maybe it's nostalgia on my part but the games just felt more important when they were on ITV.

Speed of light strike by Gabriel Batistuta!

 

[VeevaVee]

Speed of light strike by Gabriel Batistuta!

I saw that goal from the top of the north stand. An absolute rocket, but looked like Bosnich should’ve saved it. When I saw it back on tv I realised it was all over the place too.

 

[Sean_RedDevil]

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[Slysi17]

That's a rip off. Here in New Zealand we get every premier league live and on demand on Spark sport for $24.99 a month. Includes some other sports like England and Black caps home matches plus the NBA and NFL.

 

[#07]

It's been a very long time since I have relied exclusively on MOTD to see United. However, this cash grab might be the straw that breaks the camels back.

 

[choccy77]

I will be making use of my VPN for sure and the PL can go fk themselves totally.

 

[billdrama]

I've seen some petitions online, although it seems like lots of small ones rather than one single one that has really taken off - I saw one that had about 1000 signatures.

Piece in the Telegraph suggesting there's some opposition from MPs and also SAGE on grounds of public health concerns about people crowding into pubs or having large gatherings in homes to watch a match with one payment.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

I think this all comes back to the fact that live football and televised football are just very different mediums which for some reason people tend to forget. It why I think the 3pm blackout was complete nonsense and why it’s an absolute rip off to now be charging the TV audience more for far less. Just a complete rip off. So frustrating as I have not missed using those terrible streams but needs must.

 

[Sandikan]

I think this all comes back to the fact that live football and televised football are just very different mediums which for some reason people tend to forget. It why I think the 3pm blackout was complete nonsense and why it’s an absolute rip off to now be charging the TV audience more for far less. Just a complete rip off. So frustrating as I have not missed using those terrible streams but needs must.

It is terrible, but there is a big reason for the 3pm saturday black out in normal times - but you'll probably not see it from smaller club's angles.

And you can also argue that no-one is getting less for what they've agreed to pay previously.

However, it's the utterly terrible timing of doing this after giving games into deals for free for a few months, in the middle of a recession where people have lost money and jobs.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

It is terrible, but there is a big reason for the 3pm saturday black out in normal times - but you'll probably not see it from smaller club's angles.

And you can also argue that no-one is getting less for what they've agreed to pay previously.

However, it's the utterly terrible timing of doing this after giving games into deals for free for a few months, in the middle of a recession where people have lost money and jobs.

I understand the reason but I think it’s nonsense. People don’t stay in to watch their team on the TV over going to the football live, it’s almost an entirely different thing. No way the 3pm blackout does anything at all except cause inconvenience to premier league fans.

 

[Fox_Chrys]

Football is going the way music went, they think the solution to falling revenues is milk the customer more, then the customer turns to illegal sources, then realises they don't need sky/bt, and guess what happens next.

 

[Sandikan]

I understand the reason but I think it’s nonsense. People don’t stay in to watch their team on the TV over going to the football live, it’s almost an entirely different thing. No way the 3pm blackout does anything at all except cause inconvenience to premier league fans.

Real fans do go to games, and always will - agreed.
The problem is that the floating fans will take the tv option if there is one.

And the floating fans who follow a prem team as well as a small one, will most likely watch on tv instead.

Covid is already leading to the risk of a lot of teams going to the wall, so maybe it doesn't even need televised 3pms to contribute to it.

 

[FootballHQ]

£14.95/- a game!!!! You can pay the equivalent of £5 per annum and get all games in India. They really do not care about fans domestically it seems. Get a good vpn service and an account with hotstar and you are set.

And let's remember this is on top of already paying 40 quid for Sky and whatever BT costs.

I cancelled Sky years ago and haven't missed it at all. Will stream any match I'm desperate to see but tbh just happy to listen to it on 5 live, Talksport or local radio for Villa.

Mind you I probably spend as much betting a month so I can watch the Spanish, German and Italian leagues on Bet365.