He scored 3 penalties out of 6 goals, it also didn't lead England to a trophy which again is the knock that you had against Sancho. You seemingly have different criteria for Sancho and Kane, it seems that Sancho has to lead his team to trophies by himself at 20 years old while trophyless 27 years old Kane is the answer.
Scholes Interview
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Why is it, whenever we aren't playing well, Martial is the one that always gets singled out every time? Is he not our best forward and therefore the least of our worries? One thing I don't like, is that it takes ~200 mins of football for Scholes to completely backtrack on Martial calling him a fraud essentially, but there's never a word on how Rashford has not looked the same ever since his injury 7 months ago, over 1000+ mins of football. By his logic Rashford has conned us into thinking he's a good winger too?
Lastly, if we're being objective, i think focusing on individual players is ignoring the elephant in the room, when literally no-one looks good right now. I think the real questions have to be pointed at the manager and coaching staff instead. What are they doing in training, and why does it seem like Ole is struggling to create a cohesive team and hasn't got the solution to other teams?
Lastly, if we're being objective, i think focusing on individual players is ignoring the elephant in the room, when literally no-one looks good right now. I think the real questions have to be pointed at the manager and coaching staff instead. What are they doing in training, and why does it seem like Ole is struggling to create a cohesive team and hasn't got the solution to other teams?
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I’d rather have Haaland than Kane. So you’re just trying to put words in my mouth now. When I was talking about Sancho and Haaland, Kane and Martial.
It isn't essential if you have creative players behind them or fullbacks who can create (maybe Telles?)
Rashford managed 11 assists last season (crazy I know) Martial managed 12. Our forward can provide already. We also have Pogba and Bruno along with Van der Beek
Almost everything he said was total crap.
Sancho is nothing like our current front 3, none of them are capable of providing width and creativity from the right.
Van Der Sar isn't the DOF at Ajax and as far as i now he's never worked in that role.
The Martial comments are wrong and unnecessary, he showed last year that he's more than capable of playing up front on his own and getting 25+ goals.
Car Crash of an interview.
Sancho is nothing like our current front 3, none of them are capable of providing width and creativity from the right.
Van Der Sar isn't the DOF at Ajax and as far as i now he's never worked in that role.
The Martial comments are wrong and unnecessary, he showed last year that he's more than capable of playing up front on his own and getting 25+ goals.
Car Crash of an interview.
Confirms my theory that Scholes doesn't put too much thought into whatever he spouts out about United on any given day.
No I wouldn't call them idiots either. But I think there are many people here who present better arguments/viewpoints.
Exactly. This is what I've also been saying about why Sancho or someone like him is just what we need. It isn't merely because he's absolutely brilliant and among the best young footballers you'll find. But also that he plays on the right and has these creative qualities that would compliment our forward line who are all strikers in one form or another. On that, much as we all love Greenwood he does what he has to do and then lights up games in the penalty area.
But if you add Kane or Haaland you get rid of a part of Martial's or Rashford's assists, the player that you want to improve on is Greenwood. While Sancho is a playmaker, he also contributes in terms of goals from the right wing which is the one that needs reinforcing instead of replacing one of Rashford/Martial or playing them in the position that they have never excelled in. And I will wait to see Telles actually play or Van de Beek actually create things, neither have played in a league comparable to the Bundesliga or registered the amount of goals and assists that Sancho has.
It's like he is blaming Martial for our shit results despite far bigger problems
Which words have I put in your mouth? Aren't you using Kane in the following post to illustrate the point that you made about Haaland?
Nothing is essential. Having a typical number 9 is also not essential. But our front line lacks balance. Firstly in how left sided it is. And secondly in how all of them are essentially strikers. Rashford and Martial night get some assists but they're not real creatives force like someone like Sancho is.
Disagree with the logic. There's no rulebook that says a number 9 will win you titles and a right winger won't. Messi or Suarez? I know who I'd pick.
Unfortunately, like most ex-United players, he's not the most insightful or clued-up pundit.
I don't know why they even have him in the studio for games. Any time I've seen him he contributes less than Keane who's at least makes up for it in entertainment value.
I was using that to represent that Sancho isn’t nearly as influential as you think he is
But he's been to university and studied for it.
Messi is one of the greatest players to pull on a pair of boots, not really a fair comparison.
What about Lewandowski that just destroyed Barca with Bayern or Aguero that was winning leagues with City until recently.
He never did have the greatest understanding of defending. He probably hasn't noticed an issue there
Scholes said Kane or Haaland, you then you used Kane and Haaland to illustrate your point against Sancho. But fair enough.
Didn't realise Haaland was that good. If only we had some connection with Norway to tempt him here...
only when it comes to not wanting Sancho
We’ll agreed to disagree on this, you can look at it from both points of view and be correct. We’ll never actually know for sure until they pull on the red shirt.
I guess getting Kane will teach Maguire, Shaw and entire backline how to defend and our midfield how to hold ball for 5 minutes and control the game. Its all Martial's fault we look properly disjointed team incapable to score a goal for 90% of the time without a individual brilliance or Penalty. And Yes Kane has won shit load of trophy that he hasn't got a place to keep for it.
He studied sport and brand management and then became their marketing director. He isn't a DOF and has never been one, if anything he looks like the ideal replacement for Woodward or Arnold.
He didn’t say he doesn’t not want Sancho only that he wasn’t that upset because he see’s centre forward as a main priority.
Martial may or may not be an ideal no 9. But with our defensive problems and midfield unable to create much chances for the forwards, we clearly cannot blame Martial.
On the Sancho thing, I don't think Scholes is telling that he is not that great or something. He is just saying, in his viewpoint, our other players are enough, if there was a perfect center forward like Haaland or Kane.
Which is strange seeing as we would still have massive issues at RW, CB and DM.
CF isn't the teams biggest problem with regard to upgrading what we currently have. For all the criticism of Martial, barring injuries, his strike rate should see him reach 25 goals or so from CF.
Does he hate Martial or something? Always giving out about him no matter what he does or scores.
Talks too much for my liking
Talks too much for my liking
Are we creating enough chances for him to score the "enough" goals? I truly believe if the team provide the right service, he will score 25+ goals every season! He was our best player post lockdown, and right now he is easy "scapegoat" when the whole team is shit. By no means he was playing great this season, but still won us a penalty and if not for Rashford straying offside would have created two decent chances using his linkup play!
Right now, whoever you put as the number 9, Kane or Haland or even the Brazilian Ronaldo, every one of them will struggle to score goals!! He is just the easiest scapegoat in this team!
I agree about Martial. He's not a striker and we will never win anything noteworthy with him as our main striker.
He has this weird obsession about getting Kane here. Some other pundits have this too. And Martial is an easier target because Rashford can't be targetted, because he is a local lad and now a mini celebrity off the field too.
A CF is about much more than just heading the ball. Our front 3 are still young(ish) and therefore a bit inconsistent. A quality CF will bring many different things to the team than the current front 3.
Also maybe Scholes picked Martial (and not Rashford) because Martial is playing CF for us.
I’d rather see Martial as a second striker and have a real CF (Cavani might prove to be this, but I would have preferred a young striker).
However Kane is not a realistic target and Haaland’s release clause is not active yet anyway.
Also maybe Scholes picked Martial (and not Rashford) because Martial is playing CF for us.
I’d rather see Martial as a second striker and have a real CF (Cavani might prove to be this, but I would have preferred a young striker).
However Kane is not a realistic target and Haaland’s release clause is not active yet anyway.
His hard on for Martial is disturbing.
‘conned us’
‘conned us’
This is pretty obvious to anyone with a working set of eyeballs, yet our fanbase has a weird defensive mindset over him for some reason. Ole has been working his ass off trying to get him to be a proper goal scoring CF, and has done a reasonable job to be fair.
Agreed. Scholes is bang on there.
6 penalties more than Martial. Rashford plays out wide. There’s an argument to be had over who played better. There isn’t an argument to say Martial was ten times better. Unless you want to talk shite.
Don’t think he hates Martial, but other ex-pro’s like Roony, Sheringham, Keane even Neville have also said we need a proper centre forward.
Let's agree to disagree. I feel Sancho would add more and you feel Haaland would. There's no strict right or wrong answers in the winger vs CF debate was my point and enough examples of a wide forward being more important (Hazard Chelsea , Salah Mane at Liverpool, now Sterling at City, Neymar at PSG etc ). Everyone is allowed to have a view on which specific player would have the bigger impact.
The problem isn't him thinking Martial isn't a center forward, the problem is this :
Beside, "conned us" ? Really ? Terrible expression to use.
How can a respectful pundit change his opinion in the space of 2 months and come with 2 contradictory quotes like this ? It just shows Scholes is a terrible pundit who says any nonsense he thinks of on the spot.
Beside, "conned us" ? Really ? Terrible expression to use.
Okay, that’s basically it anyway, don’t want to undermine your opinion or JP Rouge either for that matter..
RvP too.