I don't think anyone is *the* problem... He's just a problem swimming in a lake of other problems which is situated on Problem Island that sits in the middle of a problematic Ocean.
May I ask the name of the planet they are on?I don't think anyone is *the* problem... He's just a problem swimming in a lake of other problems which is situated on Problem Island that sits in the middle of a problematic Ocean.
Clearly it's Earth you ding dong.May I ask the name of the planet they are on?
That’s based on nothing but your assumption. There isn’t any evidence to back up your first statement. Maguire was average at Hull, decent but error prone at Leicester and has been a complete waste of money for us. His best performances came in four games, two against Tunisia and Panama, at World Cup 2018, which conned people and inflated his value. As for Lindelof, he has always been average period, even at Benfica. No doubting that. These guys are nowhere near ‘very good defenders’ as you say. And don’t even let me get into their supposed ball-playing abilities. They couldn’t pass a bucket of water.Maguire and Lindeloff are both very good defenders. Just utterly incompatible. Thus they will never make each other look good as a pair. Put them in a 3 with a 3rd defender, or pair them with a different partner and you get to see how good they actually are.
Yes I wish people would understand this. When someone says Woodward/Ole/Lindelof is a problem they don't mean that the individual mentioned is the only problem and that fixing that would suddenly make us Quadruple winners. Neither does that mean we don't fix one of our many issues.I don't think anyone is *the* problem...
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Come in?Clearly it's Earth you ding dong.
Says a person making brazen assertions based on nothing but his ill informed opinion.That’s based on nothing but your assumption. There isn’t any evidence to back up your first statement.
Again. Nothing but brazen assertions with no basis in factMaguire was average at Hull, decent but error prone at Leicester and has been a complete waste of money for us.
This is just laughably foolish a claim.His best performances came in four games, two against Tunisia and Panama, at World Cup 2018, which conned people and inflated his value.
You clearly haven't a clue about how Lindeloff was rated in Portugal. This conversation is a waste of time.....As for Lindelof, he has always been average period, even at Benfica. No doubting that.
Lindelof wasnt good against Portugal either. They both had a tough nightThere’s no “maybe” about it anymore. He isn’t world class but he can do a job, something Maguire clearly can’t right now. We need Lindelof & Bailly starting now, there’s no 2 ways about it.
Instead of saying nonsense like ‘brazen assertions’ or ‘haven’t a clue’, dispel my opinion with some facts. Also, I watch the Premier League, and Maguire was nothing more than average at a relegated Hull and decent at Leicester. He got into the England World Cup team because he’s the best of a very average crop of English CB’s. Walker, an RB, has to start in there ffs. Not his ‘excellent club form’. You saying that means I ain’t the one who hasn’t got a clue. You speak as if Maguire got into that England side over stars like Bobby Moore, John Terry, Jack Charlton and Rio Ferdinand because Southgate couldn’t ignore his brilliance.Says a person making brazen assertions based on nothing but his ill informed opinion.
The glaring statistical improvement on goals conceded by United after adding Maguire is plenty of proof he is a good defender.
The fact Lindeloff was rated the best defender in Portugal and hailed by night all of punditry as a top signing for Mourinho is proof a plenty too.
Just like the fact Lindeloff and Maguire are too similar in style, and constantly as a result have issues engineering a proper offside trap as a pair is ample proof of their incompatibility. But don't let that stop you and your brazen assertions......
Again. Nothing but brazen assertions with no basis in fact
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This is just laughably foolish a claim.
Maguire got to world cup based on his excellent club form. Club form he continued during and after work cup that convinced United to sign him. His value also has everything to do with the idiocy of Woodward in his transfer dealings. not the player.
You clearly haven't a clue about how Lindeloff was rated in Portugal. This conversation is a waste of time.....
this is completely false. Lindelof was a monster at Benfica, far more highly rated than the recently-departed Ruben Dias.As for Lindelof, he has always been average period, even at Benfica.
I meant his performances in the CL and EL. He never pulled up any trees. I couldn’t care less how he played in the Portuguese League unless it was truly sensational like Bruno at Sporting from 2017-2019.this is completely false. Lindelof was a monster at Benfica, far more highly rated than the recently-departed Ruben Dias.
Ruben Dias was club captain and Portuguese. Of course, there's a tax to pay to get him. Let's not forget they did the Joao Felix deal last year too to boost their finances.I meant his performances in the CL and EL. He never pulled up any trees. I couldn’t care less how he played in the Portuguese League unless it was truly sensational like Bruno at Sporting from 2017-2019.
Besides, if he was so clear of Dias, surely Benfica wouldn’t have charged City for him double what they charged us? The market was already inflated to an unbelievable level anyway, albeit that was before the Neymar transfer. I don’t even rate Dias myself, and neither do avid Portuguese football fans like Peyroteo and the Sporting fan on here.
True of course, but a £35m price gap. That is massive when comparing two players. Felix is uncomparable imo as he’s a young, talented attacker with bags of potential.Ruben Dias was club captain and Portuguese. Of course, there's a tax to pay to get him. Let's not forget they did the Joao Felix deal last year too to boost their finances.
He never played in the EL for Benfica. And some of his most impressive displays came in the CL. You're just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole here, mate. Just admit you don't watch Liga NOS and don't know what you're talking about so we can all move on.I meant his performances in the CL and EL. He never pulled up any trees. I couldn’t care less how he played in the Portuguese League unless it was truly sensational like Bruno at Sporting from 2017-2019.
Besides, if he was so clear of Dias, surely Benfica wouldn’t have charged City for him double what they charged us? The market was already inflated to an unbelievable level anyway, albeit that was before the Neymar transfer. I don’t even rate Dias myself, and neither do avid Portuguese football fans like Peyroteo and the Sporting fan on here.
It's the planet Problemus, in the Problemio system, located on the western arm of the Problemum Unitum galaxy.May I ask the name of the planet they are on?
I never watch the Portuguese League. Couldn’t care less. About the EL thing, fine, but Lindelof never ever pulled up any trees in the CL, has never done anything for us and was alright at the World Cup. Carragher labelled him out of his depth btw, and that guy knows a thing or two about centre backs.He never played in the EL for Benfica. And some of his most impressive displays came in the CL. You're just digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole here, mate. Just admit you don't watch Liga NOS and don't know what you're talking about so we can all move on.
Re: Dias, very different circumstances given that he was the captain, Portuguese, and not pushing to leave. Benfica would have happily kept him but Man City came in with a ridiculous offer at the 11th hour that they'd have been stupid not to take.
I like how you're just continuing to make assertions after having been shown to have no clue what you're talking about. Nice appeal to authority too re: Carragher; I'd be surprised if he watched even a single minute of Lindelof before his transfer to Man United.I never watch the Portuguese League. Couldn’t care less. About the EL thing, fine, but Lindelof never ever pulled up any trees in the CL, has never done anything for us and was alright at the World Cup. Carragher labelled him out of his depth btw, and that guy knows a thing or two about centre backs.
As another Swede, my view on Lindelöf is that he reads the game very well.True of course, but a £35m price gap. That is massive when comparing two players. Felix is uncomparable imo as he’s a young, talented attacker with bags of potential.
Out of interest, as a Swede, what are your honest opinions on Lindelof? I really don’t rate the guy whatsoever unfortunately, although he is our second best CB after Bailly.
Assertions? I watch and have watched every single fecking United game since Lindelof came, every World Cup 2018 game and many Champions League games, including some of Benfica’s in 2016-17, in which they conceded 10 in the group stages that season. How’s that for an assertion?I like how you're just continuing to make assertions after having been shown to have no clue what you're talking about. Nice appeal to authority too re: Carragher; I'd be surprised if he watched even a single minute of Lindelof before his transfer to Man United.
Lindelof or LindelöfSays a person making brazen assertions based on nothing but his ill informed opinion.
The glaring statistical improvement on goals conceded by United after adding Maguire is plenty of proof he is a good defender.
The fact Lindeloff was rated the best defender in Portugal and hailed by night all of punditry as a top signing for Mourinho is proof a plenty too.
Just like the fact Lindeloff and Maguire are too similar in style, and constantly as a result have issues engineering a proper offside trap as a pair is ample proof of their incompatibility. But don't let that stop you and your brazen assertions......
Again. Nothing but brazen assertions with no basis in fact
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This is just laughably foolish a claim.
Maguire got to world cup based on his excellent club form. Club form he continued during and after work cup that convinced United to sign him. His value also has everything to do with the idiocy of Woodward in his transfer dealings. not the player.
You clearly haven't a clue about how Lindeloff was rated in Portugal. This conversation is a waste of time.....
Wow, I am very impressed that you knew off the top of your head that Benfica conceded 10 goals in the group stage in 16/17!! This proves that you are definitely right with your baseless assertions that Lindelof was mediocre at Benfica, since you definitely didn't just google it.Assertions? I watch and have watched every single fecking United game since Lindelof came, every World Cup 2018 game and many Champions League games, including some of Benfica’s in 2016-17, in which they conceded 10 in the group stages that season. How’s that for an assertion?
I don’t think he likes heading. Or tackling.He's absolutely fecking garbage. He's a defender who can't fecking defend. The best thing about him is when he just ignores balls that he could have headed away. He's done the same stupid mistake about 100 times.
The trouble is thisI’m just saying... people love to shit on Lindelof, and a lot of people have been calling for Maguire/Bailly to start, well Lindelof hasn’t put a foot wrong & these two had a disasterclass today. Harry has been completely embarrassed twice now in 4 games.
I’m not shitting on Harry, but our fans need to be more consistent. Keep the same energy you have for Lindelof when it’s Maguire or Bailly, because I’m seeing blatant agendas against Victor at the moment.
Our best CB on current form. I pray he’s fit because the thought of Bailly terrifies me.
That is part of the problem.The trouble is this
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Have you noticed the problem here? This is probably the slowest central defensive core in living football history. Its also supported by a goalkeeper who wouldn't leave the line even if the goalposts are on fire. That means that a fast striker would cause absolute havoc in there especially if the opponents utilise a quick counter.
I really only think they'd come good/decent with some superb world class CB. And who wouldn't?Maguire and Lindeloff are both very good defenders. Just utterly incompatible. Thus they will never make each other look good as a pair. Put them in a 3 with a 3rd defender, or pair them with a different partner and you get to see how good they actually are.
I agree that its part of the problem. United should understand by now that most clubs are quite happy to get 1 point against us. That means that a deep defensive line/counter attack football would rarely work for us. Hence why we need to be shrewd enough not to buy players who excel in that sort of game. Maguire for example is fantastic in a deep line. He's strong, he's good in air and he's got decent positioning. Unfortunately he'll struggle in a high line because he lack pace. Same can be said about AWB. His superb defensive skills makes him the perfect anti winger/inside forward. He's perfect for the likes of Palace who need to keep a tight defence. Unfortunately he offers nothing going forwardThat is part of the problem.
The main footballing problem is that there is a lack of overlap between how we want to play (assumed) with the abilities of the players we have available and with what type of football that is relevant in the current environment.
We either want to dominate games or are attempting to dominate games by attacking with a high number of players and a high line. What is so funny is that we have many players that make high-risk actions in attack (trying to dribble, make a pass/cross with a low success rate, shooting from bad positions) or is bad on the ball/passing that makes us have a high turnover rate. Adding this with slow/weak and isolated central defenders, a CDM that is slow and another that does not defend and a GK that never leaves his line... We are asking for trouble. It is basically like we are set up to give the opposition counter attacking opportunities.
Should also be noted that when we are not counter-attacked against, we are unable to press as a team making us easy to keep possession against. Our best bet in any game is to park the bus and counter-attack. If the other team is parking their bus, we should only attack with 4/5 players due to our fullbacks (not Telles) are incompetent on the ball/in the final third and our central defenders needs protection. And we are unable to keep possession and progress the ball without making high risk action/passing.
I think he's very inconsistent and weak aerially. In the National Team, he used to get bailed out by the senior leader Granqvist but it's fairly evident that we didn't spend 85 million on a leader in defense to team up with him.True of course, but a £35m price gap. That is massive when comparing two players. Felix is uncomparable imo as he’s a young, talented attacker with bags of potential.
Out of interest, as a Swede, what are your honest opinions on Lindelof? I really don’t rate the guy whatsoever unfortunately, although he is our second best CB after Bailly.
Maguire is as much a part of the problem as Lindelof.In my view both Lindelof and Maguire are not good enough to play in a top top team....While Lindelof was getting a lot of stick last season,Maguires under par performances were going under the radar...until now obviously.Bailly was a disgrace against Tottenham....We made a huge blunder by not signing a new CB and I think we”ll have to pay a heavy price for that now...I’m just saying... people love to shit on Lindelof, and a lot of people have been calling for Maguire/Bailly to start, well Lindelof hasn’t put a foot wrong & these two had a disasterclass today. Harry has been completely embarrassed twice now in 4 games.
I’m not shitting on Harry, but our fans need to be more consistent. Keep the same energy you have for Lindelof when it’s Maguire or Bailly, because I’m seeing blatant agendas against Victor at the moment.
Our best CB on current form. I pray he’s fit because the thought of Bailly terrifies me.
Maguire played well enough in the premier league for us to want to sign him. He wasnt as good as made out for England in a back 3 or for Leicester. But he was good enough to be considered for a transfer. Lindelof hasnt done that. We took a chance on him coming over from Portugal and doing well in the premier league. He hasnt. So he's more of the problem for sureMaguire is as much a part of the problem as Lindelof.In my view both Lindelof and Maguire are not good enough to play in a top top team....While Lindelof was getting a lot of stick last season,Maguires under par performances were going under the radar...until now obviously.Bailly was a disgrace against Tottenham....We made a huge blunder by not signing a new CB and I think we”ll have to pay a heavy price for that now...