There’s a feeling of inevitability about Ole losing his job

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Lack of preseason is the new he isn't backed enough. No one is denying that we have structural issues in operations and recruitment. But those problems also includes a manager who's just average. Clearly it's Woody and co who need to be removed first but that doesn't mean Ole should be kept around until we manage that. Especially considering we field 50mn+ players in almost all positions.

Anyone with a set of eyes can see that we don't really play with a style but rather rely on the "explosiveness" of our attackers to do well. They themselves are inconsistent and therefore our overall inconsistencies. The less said about our "third best" average defense the better. A strong run henceforth will pretty much prove that we should get used to the yo-yo club that we are currently.

Until we can figure how to get rid of the Woodys, we really need to get a manager who can eke out the best of the team that we have. Only once we have that see the team hit a ceiling will the club be forced to have the painful woody conversation and get rid or curtail him. But until then, coaches will continue to bear the brunt.
 

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These insults to a club legend are what I can't wrap my head around. We may say Ole's been struggling (I for one think there are mitigating circumstances that some folks willfully choose to ignore to shoot him down), but how do you justify comment's like this as a fan?

Particularly considering who have no clue what happens behind closed doors?
He was a club legend as a player. As a manager he proved jack shit, stop with the sentimental childish stuff.

As a fan you should only care about your team performing. If he has stuff in the backend he can't handle, it's his fault.

If you have a non performing group, the fault lies with the manager, always with 0 exceptions. (it's not like you're going to change 26 players instead of the manager, no?)
 

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He was a club legend as a player. As a manager he proved jack shit, stop with the sentimental childish stuff.

As a fan you should only care about your team performing. If he has stuff in the backend he can't handle, it's his fault.

If you have a non performing group, the fault lies with the manager, always with 0 exceptions. (it's not like you're going to change 26 players instead of the manager, no?)
Calls Ole Gunnar Solskjaer a pussy, tells people to stop being childish :confused:.

And speak for yourself. I know plenty of United fans that care about a lot of things to do with the club that go beyond just the results. Honestly, what a ridiculous and boring way to support a club. If all you give a shit about is results go and follow a club like City, PSG or Madrid.
 

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Well I hope he can turn it around but there is a feeling of Jose’s last weeks/months at the club.

I’m sure we will mess up the next appointment anyway
 

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Well I hope he can turn it around but there is a feeling of Jose’s last weeks/months at the club.

I’m sure we will mess up the next appointment anyway
But there’s a difference between Ole and Jose ....Jose wanted out
 

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We won't see Ole self sabotage, but if the results are shocking, he won't need to. It's not often I look at our fixture list and genuinely think we could go on a losing run of 6-7 games. we probably won't, we'll pull off some good results, but it wouldn't be a shock if we didn't.
 

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He's been down in the dumps more than once and dug himself out with some good run of results. Last season at Newcastle was as dire and diabolical as any before he put together a solid run in a tough set of fixtures.
 

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I think he needs to change something whether players or formation or tactics if he wants to see positive results .


I was watching this video on Mourinho's tactics and Tottenham and it kind of also suits the players in Ole's usual starting 11 except ours would be inverted. Telles=Aurier, Maguire = Alderweild, Lindelof=Vertonghen, Awb=Davies, Matic=Dier, Pogba=Winks, Greenwood=Son, Rashford=Moura and Martial=Kane
 

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I just want to see what you are seeing. Doing everything else well?

Signings? Question marks over them all already. Everyone hoping one would be sold after only a year in James.

Tactics? Defensive and submissive. We're Manchester United and we have only ever looked good on the counter under Solskjaer. It took Bruno coming in with his own ideas to save us last season.

Defensive coaching? Absolute shambles and should have conceded 5 more in the only game we have won... against bloody Brighton. Got ripped to shreds by a defensive manager 6-1.

Attacking coaching? Near bottom of table for chances created from open play. Again, only look good on the counter and can't break down an organised team. No visible plan except the counter, the rest of the time it looks like the players make it up on the fly.

Motivation? Our players look like they can't be bothered and no longer believe, though some argue its actually fitness issues. To me it's players that don't know what to do and are lacking direction/coaching.

In game management? We all know the answer to this one. Poor.

CV? Nothing on his CV makes you think he should be anywhere near this job. Took Cardiff down, but then took them near the bottom of the Championship before getting sacked. Brought in loads of players there who flopped. Rest of the time spent in Norway.

I could go on but I think that's enough.
You don't watch our games maybe? As I said:
He has changed formations multiple times to beat Pep, draw against Klopp, beat Poch and Jose.
Some of his formations include 442 diamond vs Spurs, 352 vs City, 4231 vs City...
When you can beat big teams in big games playing different systems, against managers that are deemed to be better than you tactically, then it has to mean you are tactically competent yourself. It's pure logic.


James is a LW, when we get our RW, he will perform on the left side as he was intended to.
That's his position for Wales.

Defensive coaching? We conceded what? 36 goals against last season.
SAF best years were around 32? 33? And during a time when clubs were not scoring as much as they do now.
It has improved, so I am not sure what this is all about.
Individual mistakes in the first 3 games of this season do not erase the fact that over 38 games, we have conceded 36 goals only. That's 3rd best, after 33 and 35.

Attacking coaching? You're going to tell me you did not enjoy how we score some of our goals? We have examples of goals scored in various scenarios. Our only problem? The right side cannot develop the game as well as the left side when we are able to overlap. That's why we were looking for a RW in the first place. If you don't watch our games and our goals, why bother having an opinion based on... on what again? Is it trendy to follow what people say instead of watching games?

Motivation, you are seriously thinking Ole is not able to motivate properly players? Have you heard them? Every single one of our signings mentioned talking to the manager and buying into the vision. All of our players said that they believed in what Ole was doing. If anything, it's his biggest strength. We have a confidence issue and this will be a tough one to overcome but he has shown that he's able to motivate players for the big games.

In game management? That's never a 100% hit and I go back to the tactics, you don't beat better tacticians by changing tactics multiple times without being good yourself.

CV? Irrelevant at this point, Flick relegated a division 3 side, couldn't qualify a division 2 to the top league for 6 consecutive years, and yet is flying with Bayern. Pep had nothing except the B team, etc... The point above the tactics above show that Ole is able to compete with the best. We need to understand what needs to be happen so that players can execute (and this is different than the tactical battle, that we are obviously able to win) consistently and maybe that's fitness, maybe that's preseason, whatever... but it's certainly not what you seem to see and believe based on nothing.
 

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You don't watch our games maybe? As I said:
He has changed formations multiple times to beat Pep, draw against Klopp, beat Poch and Jose.
Some of his formations include 442 diamond vs Spurs, 352 vs City, 4231 vs City...
When you can beat big teams in big games playing different systems, against managers that are deemed to be better than you tactically, then it has to mean you are tactically competent yourself. It's pure logic.


James is a LW, when we get our RW, he will perform on the left side as he was intended to.
That's his position for Wales.

Defensive coaching? We conceded what? 36 goals against last season.
SAF best years were around 32? 33? And during a time when clubs were not scoring as much as they do now.
It has improved, so I am not sure what this is all about.
Individual mistakes in the first 3 games of this season do not erase the fact that over 38 games, we have conceded 36 goals only. That's 3rd best, after 33 and 35.

Attacking coaching? You're going to tell me you did not enjoy how we score some of our goals? We have examples of goals scored in various scenarios. Our only problem? The right side cannot develop the game as well as the left side when we are able to overlap. That's why we were looking for a RW in the first place. If you don't watch our games and our goals, why bother having an opinion based on... on what again? Is it trendy to follow what people say instead of watching games?

Motivation, you are seriously thinking Ole is not able to motivate properly players? Have you heard them? Every single one of our signings mentioned talking to the manager and buying into the vision. All of our players said that they believed in what Ole was doing. If anything, it's his biggest strength. We have a confidence issue and this will be a tough one to overcome but he has shown that he's able to motivate players for the big games.

In game management? That's never a 100% hit and I go back to the tactics, you don't beat better tacticians by changing tactics multiple times without being good yourself.

CV? Irrelevant at this point, Flick relegated a division 3 side, couldn't qualify a division 2 to the top league for 6 consecutive years, and yet is flying with Bayern. Pep had nothing except the B team, etc... The point above the tactics above show that Ole is able to compete with the best. We need to understand what needs to be happen so that players can execute (and this is different than the tactical battle, that we are obviously able to win) consistently and maybe that's fitness, maybe that's preseason, whatever... but it's certainly not what you seem to see and believe based on nothing.
Great post, and raises many of the points I and others have been making numerous times in this very thread which tended to get ignored, but condensed them all in one post.
 

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You don't watch our games maybe? As I said:
He has changed formations multiple times to beat Pep, draw against Klopp, beat Poch and Jose.
Some of his formations include 442 diamond vs Spurs, 352 vs City, 4231 vs City...
When you can beat big teams in big games playing different systems, against managers that are deemed to be better than you tactically, then it has to mean you are tactically competent yourself. It's pure logic.


James is a LW, when we get our RW, he will perform on the left side as he was intended to.
That's his position for Wales.

Defensive coaching? We conceded what? 36 goals against last season.
SAF best years were around 32? 33? And during a time when clubs were not scoring as much as they do now.
It has improved, so I am not sure what this is all about.
Individual mistakes in the first 3 games of this season do not erase the fact that over 38 games, we have conceded 36 goals only. That's 3rd best, after 33 and 35.

Attacking coaching? You're going to tell me you did not enjoy how we score some of our goals? We have examples of goals scored in various scenarios. Our only problem? The right side cannot develop the game as well as the left side when we are able to overlap. That's why we were looking for a RW in the first place. If you don't watch our games and our goals, why bother having an opinion based on... on what again? Is it trendy to follow what people say instead of watching games?

Motivation, you are seriously thinking Ole is not able to motivate properly players? Have you heard them? Every single one of our signings mentioned talking to the manager and buying into the vision. All of our players said that they believed in what Ole was doing. If anything, it's his biggest strength. We have a confidence issue and this will be a tough one to overcome but he has shown that he's able to motivate players for the big games.

In game management? That's never a 100% hit and I go back to the tactics, you don't beat better tacticians by changing tactics multiple times without being good yourself.

CV? Irrelevant at this point, Flick relegated a division 3 side, couldn't qualify a division 2 to the top league for 6 consecutive years, and yet is flying with Bayern. Pep had nothing except the B team, etc... The point above the tactics above show that Ole is able to compete with the best. We need to understand what needs to be happen so that players can execute (and this is different than the tactical battle, that we are obviously able to win) consistently and maybe that's fitness, maybe that's preseason, whatever... but it's certainly not what you seem to see and believe based on nothing.
The only points I agree with here are on Dan James and Ole`s attacking philosophy but defensive coach? He spent 130m on two defenders any half competent manager can improve a defence after such heavy investment very little to do with coaching.
Motivation? We`ve won consecutive league games only 4 times since he`s been our permanent manager 3 of those 4 times and our best winning run was 4 games after the restart. We`ve also won games from losing postions just 3 times in his tenure I think and we lost 3 semi finals in one season statistically no team in European history has ever lost that many semi finals in one season. Ole is good at some things but "defensive coaching" and motivation are not those.
 
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But there’s a difference between Ole and Jose ....Jose wanted out
The atmosphere at the club also seemed toxic under Jose. While some players may not be convinced by Ole, I doubt anyone despises him.
 
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The only points I agree with here are on Dan James and his attacking philosophy but defensive coach? He spent 130m on two defenders any half competent manager can improve a defence after such heavy investment very little to do with coaching.
Motivation? We`ve won consecutive league games only 4 times since he`s been our manager 3 of those 4 times we won just 2 back to back games and our best winning run was 4 games after the restart. We`ve also won games from losing postions just 3 times in his tenure I think and we lost 3 semi finals in one season statistically no team in European history has ever lost that many semi finals in one season. Ole is good at some things but "defensive coaching" and motivation are not those.
What a flawed analysis. How many teams ever reach 3 semi finals in one season? So you think this is worse than losing 3 quarter finals as an example?
 

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Yet another thread focusing every possible negative about our manager.

Woodward and Co must be playing a blinder here somehow, because most on here are doing exactly what they would want you to do and that's pile your frustrations into our manager and take away the focus from the idiotic rubbish that is going on above him.

All momentum we had from the end of last season has been wiped out due to the inept Woodward and co and yet lets blame the manager for everything and pick every negative hole we can summon up.

This is not a fan base forum, this is a place for the miserable to air their negative opinion on everything.

Ole was not backed at all ... everyone knows it, the players really know it and im not surprised one bit they have started the season under performing, they are probably just as frustrated as anyone on here, they came to United on the promise of better things and they now realise it was all a load of horse manure.

Damn .. you lot are now turning me into a grumpy old man ! ;)
 

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I don't think Ollie is the man for United but the management since 2013 have made every manager take the fall and the process will keep repeating itself as long as the management keep making bad decision in regards to the results on the pitch and improving the team.
 

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Let's just see if we can pick it up on Saturday evening. Then there is a big game against PSG next week. Him and the team need results and at least a performance against PSG. The more bad results the lower confidence will get.
 

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You don't watch our games maybe? As I said:
He has changed formations multiple times to beat Pep, draw against Klopp, beat Poch and Jose.
Some of his formations include 442 diamond vs Spurs, 352 vs City, 4231 vs City...
When you can beat big teams in big games playing different systems, against managers that are deemed to be better than you tactically, then it has to mean you are tactically competent yourself. It's pure logic.


James is a LW, when we get our RW, he will perform on the left side as he was intended to.
That's his position for Wales.

Defensive coaching? We conceded what? 36 goals against last season.
SAF best years were around 32? 33? And during a time when clubs were not scoring as much as they do now.
It has improved, so I am not sure what this is all about.
Individual mistakes in the first 3 games of this season do not erase the fact that over 38 games, we have conceded 36 goals only. That's 3rd best, after 33 and 35.

Attacking coaching? You're going to tell me you did not enjoy how we score some of our goals? We have examples of goals scored in various scenarios. Our only problem? The right side cannot develop the game as well as the left side when we are able to overlap. That's why we were looking for a RW in the first place. If you don't watch our games and our goals, why bother having an opinion based on... on what again? Is it trendy to follow what people say instead of watching games?

Motivation, you are seriously thinking Ole is not able to motivate properly players? Have you heard them? Every single one of our signings mentioned talking to the manager and buying into the vision. All of our players said that they believed in what Ole was doing. If anything, it's his biggest strength. We have a confidence issue and this will be a tough one to overcome but he has shown that he's able to motivate players for the big games.

In game management? That's never a 100% hit and I go back to the tactics, you don't beat better tacticians by changing tactics multiple times without being good yourself.

CV? Irrelevant at this point, Flick relegated a division 3 side, couldn't qualify a division 2 to the top league for 6 consecutive years, and yet is flying with Bayern. Pep had nothing except the B team, etc... The point above the tactics above show that Ole is able to compete with the best. We need to understand what needs to be happen so that players can execute (and this is different than the tactical battle, that we are obviously able to win) consistently and maybe that's fitness, maybe that's preseason, whatever... but it's certainly not what you seem to see and believe based on nothing.
Quality post. With all the shit being thrown at Ole I hope he proves the doubters wrong.
 

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What a flawed analysis. How many teams ever reach 3 semi finals in one season? So you think this is worse than losing 3 quarter finals as an example?
Its not flawed its all factual. Getting to 3 semi finals is a good achievement but not being able to motivate your team to even one final is damning though there is simply no sugarcoating that and losing 3 quarter finals would be just as bad. Surely you should be able to learn from your mistakes in at least one or two of the 3 quarters/semis you`ve gotten to yet you still manage to bottle all of them?
 

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So your point is based on the results of 4 games that haven't even happened yet? This has to be a new low even for the Ole outers.
The fact that you and a select few to this day still think that this is only based off 4 games is astounding.
 

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These results haven't even happened yet! How can you get annoyed about losses that have not yet happened is beyond weird!
Not annoyed at all. Just bracing myself for the future posts. Of course, it’d be great if we could get decent results from all 4 games.
 

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Calls Ole Gunnar Solskjaer a pussy, tells people to stop being childish :confused:.

And speak for yourself. I know plenty of United fans that care about a lot of things to do with the club that go beyond just the results. Honestly, what a ridiculous and boring way to support a club. If all you give a shit about is results go and follow a club like City, PSG or Madrid.
From the whole point you understood that I support Man united for the results? I hope you're just overreacting.

Keep supporting your beautiful romantic club because of the "man united way", "promoting youth" (overrated english garbage mostly but hey) and watch it fall from a cliff. Keep hoping that the club will not turn into Liverpool pre 2017.

Hope you wake up tomorrow proud to have an MBE in the starting lineup, and a local lad.
 

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The Sunday papers will be interesting should we lose on Saturday. I fully expect us to lose this game and v PSG, I think he may be gone as early as next weekend if that's the case.
 

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Do you think that s realistic? I don't think so.

Tbh I have the suspicion that some of the anti Ole news in the media is coming from inside the club in order to gauge fans reaction if they sack Ole.

Also I found it a bit strange that Pochettino waited so long to get a job. Last year he spoke to Juventus (also apparently his Argentinian family originated from Turin)
However when Juventus sacked Sarri they could easily have gone for him, instead they opted for Pirlo - someone with no coaching experience at all (not even Cardiff :))
So Imo Pochettino might have been promised a job somewhere.
why not ? this is Manchester United, you think PSG, Bayern, Juventus don't think they will win there next 5 games ? if you want to be a top club that is what the aim always has to be especially more so when you have had a horrific start to the season and your job is under threat,

as for poch I have no doubt he will be our next manager, free agent as well seems to be the way we always go about it getting the next man in.
 

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But there’s a difference between Ole and Jose ....Jose wanted out
Tells a lot about his competency as manager , Ole didn't lose the dressing room or in sabotage mode like jose was , but we are still shite.
 

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He was a club legend as a player. As a manager he proved jack shit, stop with the sentimental childish stuff.

As a fan you should only care about your team performing. If he has stuff in the backend he can't handle, it's his fault.

If you have a non performing group, the fault lies with the manager, always with 0 exceptions. (it's not like you're going to change 26 players instead of the manager, no?)
Thanks for graciously teaching me what I should care about as a fan. I do care about how the team is performing, but I'm also not idiotic enough to discount the rather simple fact that the team is made of people - human beings who deserve some level of respect for being, you know, humans.
To declare that a team is not performing is one thing, and is beside the point, to use a derogatory term ("pussy" in this case) to describe the manager who did do a lot for the club as a player represents a clear lack of decency and respect.

You say he proved "jack shit":
Really? You must have had you head far up somewhere not to notice that we did in fact end up 3rd after 38 games of the season - with a massively improved defensive record, and vast improvement in numbers from our front line. Go on, pretend a whole season doesn't count.

Also, you know he went and won titles with Molde right? They weren't serial winners before he went, mind. That one seems to have flown over most heads. Not the same level as the Premier League, but most leagues aren't.


Finally, to address the non-performing tag. Ignoring all mitigating circumstances about pre-season and rest, we're 3 games in. Even in our best years we had spells of bad performances. If we look like we're non-performing for half a season, it would make sense for these conversations to emerge. We're actually talking 3 games here. :houllier:
 

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Thanks for graciously teaching me what I should care about as a fan. I do care about how the team is performing, but I'm also not idiotic enough to discount the rather simple fact that the team is made of people - human beings who deserve some level of respect for being, you know, humans.
To declare that a team is not performing is one thing, and is beside the point, to use a derogatory term ("pussy" in this case) to describe the manager who did do a lot for the club as a player represents a clear lack of decency and respect.

You say he proved "jack shit":
Really? You must have had you head far up somewhere not to notice that we did in fact end up 3rd after 38 games of the season - with a massively improved defensive record, and vast improvement in numbers from our front line. Go on, pretend a whole season doesn't count.

Also, you know he went and won titles with Molde right? They weren't serial winners before he went, mind. That one seems to have flown over most heads. Not the same level as the Premier League, but most leagues aren't.


Finally, to address the non-performing tag. Ignoring all mitigating circumstances about pre-season and rest, we're 3 games in. Even in our best years we had spells of bad performances. If we look like we're non-performing for half a season, it would make sense for these conversations to emerge. We're actually talking 3 games here. :houllier:
Problem is we`re not just "underperforming" and we`ve not been "unlucky" in every PL game we`ve been completely outplayed, completely bamboozled and completely dominated over. Thats not just a bad spell and with the fixtures we have coming up in our current state you cant blame anyone for being skeptical on how Ole will handle this phase of his management as I doubt he`ll go on the same run of good results he had last season
 

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Its not flawed its all factual. Getting to 3 semi finals is a good achievement but not being able to motivate your team to even one final is damning though there is simply no sugarcoating that and losing 3 quarter finals would be just as bad. Surely you should be able to learn from your mistakes in at least one or two of the 3 quarters/semis you`ve gotten to yet you still manage to bottle all of them?
Everything is not black and white though is it?

The first semi final we played a better team and then competed in the second leg. Against Chelsea we didn't bother because top 4 was more important, I am sure most fans would agree.

The final one, we did play well missed chances but was a poor defensive show.

Also you said we spent £130m and any half decent coach can work with that? In that case do you think Pep is a crap coach too?
 

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Everything is not black and white though is it?

The first semi final we played a better team and then competed in the second leg. Against Chelsea we didn't bother because top 4 was more important, I am sure most fans would agree.

The final one, we did play well missed chances but was a poor defensive show.

Also you said we spent £130m and any half decent coach can work with that? In that case do you think Pep is a crap coach too?
We can look at excuses and dissect them all we want but fact is a better manager gets us through at least one final fact that we failed at all 3 occasions, something no team in Europe has ever done(because a proper team with a proper manager gets to at least one final and its been the case in the past till Ole came in) is not something to be proud of AT ALL especially after spending 200m in 2 back to back windows
As for Pep I don`t rate him as highly as prime Jose/Fergie and fact that he`s been unable to have a settled back 4 after all the money he`s spent on defenders proves my point he`s not a good defensive coach just like Ole
 

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We can look at excuses and dissect them all we want but fact is a better manager gets us through at least one final fact that we failed at all 3 occasions, something no team in Europe has ever done(because a proper team with a proper manager gets to at least one final and its been the case in the past till Ole came in) is not something to be proud of AT ALL especially after spending 200m in 2 back to back windows
As for Pep I don`t rate him as highly as prime Jose/Fergie and fact that he`s been unable to have a settled back 4 after all the money he`s spent on defenders proves my point he`s not a good defensive coach just like Ole
First of all, how many finals have we been in since 2013? We had better managers then?

Secondly, 200m in 2 back to back windows? Explain because we only spent £50m this summer.

Jose is a good defensive coach, we had him as manager, did he improve Bailly, Lindelof, Dalot? Did we win the league or CL with him?
 

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I personally love the man. Ole is a legend at United and will always be. He came in after Jose and we all felt so so good. In fact I was one of those who was convinced Ole can do a job at United in spire of his career before Us being so bleak and all. I must say I was very impressed when he got in and immediately shipped Fellaini the first chance he got. I was over the moon because Fellaini was nothing but a huge abomination to this club. He immediately changed things around here, kept smiling, encouraged players to push forward. We all wanted to see that. He made changes by selling players that didn't fit United and couldn't replace them. Yet, he was really not given any replacement. He wanted young energetic players who could really push the defenses and make play. What's not so great is that, it's not working out anymore. He's tailing off and I think it's too late for him to actually learn on this job. We need an established coach and I think Poch can help us now.
 

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First of all, how many finals have we been in since 2013? We had better managers then?

Secondly, 200m in 2 back to back windows? Explain because we only spent £50m this summer.

Jose is a good defensive coach, we had him as manager, did he improve Bailly, Lindelof, Dalot? Did we win the league or CL with him?
Not many finals TBH and yes we had better managers Jose and LVG weren`t the right fits for us but they are much better than Ole and they actually won us trophies and got us to finals when it mattered and dealt with the fine margins one should work their way round to get there. Ole had 3 chances and he bottled all of them guaranteed if we had Jose/LVG we`d have made it to at least one final.
And we spent over 100m this summer: VDB- 40m, Cavani- Free, Telles- 15m Pellistri- 10m and Diallo- 37m total 102m so thats 302m Ole has spent in 3 windows.
Bailly`s best season at Utd came under Jose and he won us trophies(League Cup and EL) with him and Smalling, Blind, Rojo as our CBs and that season we had one of the best defensive records in the league even though we finished 6th and the next season we finished 2nd on 81 points and had the best defensive record ITL with Smalling, Jones and Lindelof as our main CBs Jose had his flaws but he`s ten times the manager Ole will ever be
 

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He's done a great job - the squad we've got now is so much better than the one he inherited. But it does feel like he's reaching the end of the road at United.
 

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Not many finals TBH and yes we had better managers Jose and LVG weren`t the right fits for us but they are much better than Ole and they actually won us trophies and got us to finals when it mattered and dealt with the fine margins one should work their way round to get there. Ole had 3 chances and he bottled all of them guaranteed if we had Jose/LVG we`d have made it to at least one final.
And we spent over 100m this summer: VDB- 40m, Cavani- Free, Telles- 15m Pellistri- 10m and Diallo- 37m total 102m so thats 302m Ole has spent in 3 windows.
Bailly`s best season at Utd came under Jose and he won us trophies(League Cup and EL) with him and Smalling, Blind, Rojo as our CBs and that season we had one of the best defensive records in the league even though we finished 6th and the next season we finished 2nd and had the best defensive record ITL with Smalling, Jones and Lindelof as our main CBs Jose had his flaws but he`s ten times the manager Ole will ever be
Again, every season the managers get put into the same competition, so yes LVG and Jose had the same chances. Jose got us to 2 finals in 2.5 years. LVG got us to 1 final in 2 years?

So you are going to count the money that we havent paid for Diallo? You do realise the fee is built up of alot of add ons? Telles is £13m as well. So what about the players that were sold? That doesnt count because it doesnt sit well with your narrative right?

So its not £200m in 2 back to back transfer windows is it? He's actually spent £300m in 4 transfer windows. Jose got £340m in his first 4 windows.

Not saying Ole is any good but clearly seems to be an agenda towards Ole, when even your favourite Jose couldnt get us close to the CL or PL either.
 

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Yes, he'll go then we'll press the repeat button waiting 1 to 3 seasons for miracles then again press on it.
 

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Again, every season the managers get put into the same competition, so yes LVG and Jose had the same chances. Jose got us to 2 finals in 2.5 years. LVG got us to 1 final in 2 years?

So you are going to count the money that we havent paid for Diallo? You do realise the fee is built up of alot of add ons? Telles is £13m as well. So what about the players that were sold? That doesnt count because it doesnt sit well with your narrative right?

So its not £200m in 2 back to back transfer windows is it? He's actually spent £300m in 4 transfer windows. Jose got £340m in his first 4 windows.

Not saying Ole is any good but clearly seems to be an agenda towards Ole, when even your favourite Jose couldnt get us close to the CL or PL either.
Jose and LVG never got to 3 semi finals in one season. The few times they got to such an advanced stage they made it count thats what I`m trying to pass on and if any of them got to 3 semis in one season they would have 100% made at least one count. You can forgive being knocked out of a competition if you never got to an advanced stage in or say one semi final but getting knocked out of THREE SEMIS???? There is simply NO EXCUSE for that
Ole has had 3 windows as permanent manager last summer, January and this summer 300m in 3 windows is not little money whichever way you look at it and Telles is 13m with add ons rising to 15m and yes add ons or not these are fees we will pay eventually maybe not all fo it but majority and don`t know why you plucked out 4 windows out of thin fecking air
Jose was hamstrung when he didn`t get us a CB and probably should have done better but he`s been miles better than Ole ever was if he was backed he`d 100% have us closer to City that will never happen with Ole
 
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Yes, he'll go then we'll press the repeat button waiting 1 to 3 seasons for miracles then again press on it.
That is the way it works, so I don't know why people see this as bad. It is not a new thing to sack a manager and appoint another one, repeating the process until you find the right one. It has happened throughout football history.

It took 25 years until we appointed Ferguson to win a top league title; the last before that was in 1967.

It took 30 years for Liverpool.

The fact is that most managerial appointments will be wrong, so changes need to be made; this is proved by history. It is not something unique to the Glazers/Woodward. It is no good delaying the inevitable when you know the current isn't good enough.

There was one period before Ferguson where we did seem to be a bit more patient with the managers, but it didn't take us to the top of the Premier League/Division 1. Those three managers had 5 seasons at the clubs, and none of them got us back to the top. Those 15 years of perseverance ended in 3 FA Cups, which isn't much.

I prefer chopping and changing than sticking with the same formula that doesn't work.