Harry Kane MBE | Performances

[SilentWitness]

He's only played in 4 knockout games (IIRC)... He scored good goals against Juventus and Dortmund in them (and created another one as I recall).

Not a strong put-down of Kane there, if that was your intention. If anything, it highlights how out of place he is at Spurs.

ETA: Someone already beat me to that point.

I just think it's still the one remaining question mark surrounding him, despite injury being an issue in some of the cases. He hasn't done it enough in the latter stages of the big competitions aside from the PL. Not that all of that is his fault but the very top players have that in their locker.

 

[1966]

Fair, but that's the only question mark I still have around him. Euro 2016, WC 2018, CL Knockouts, even getting into the latter stages of the FA Cup I don't think his goal record has been that good? Maybe I'm wrong but the brief glance I've had of his tally in what he's played in wasn't anything to shout about and could be improved on.

No doubt he's an elite striker but he just needs that little extra to be at the very top.

He's scored against Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund (like 4 times in 3 games), Juventus (in the CL and from the halfway line in preseason), the PL elite, and basically every top team he's played against.

In that CL final season, Spurs wouldn't have even made it past the group stage without Kane's goals and assists. England wouldn't have made it out of their/our 2018 WC group without his goals, let alone the last 16 (which is actually pretty shocking). He also took England to the Nations League finals with great performances against Croatia and Spain.

He rarely plays in the LC yet won Spurs a LC semifinal against Chelsea. He scored in an FA Cup semifinal against Chelsea, which Spurs proceeded to lose. He dragged Spurs through about half a dozen FA Cup ties, despite typically being only a desperate substitute in that competition (in his absence, Spurs have gone out of the cups to teams like Colchester and Norwich). He opened the scoring at the so-called "Battle of Stamford Bridge", which Spurs absolutely had to win to stay in PL contention. And that's just his story against Chelsea, leave alone his NLD heroics.

He's scored tons of important goals at key moments for club and country against every level of opposition. My point is that his opportunities to prove himself further have been limited by the quality of the teams he plays for rather than his own ability. Within the confines of what he's had the chance to do, he's done most of it. It's not his fault if he scores at a historic rate but his defence keeps letting in more than he can score (or than anyone can realistically be expected to score).

Anyway, people like you are the reason I'm shitposting Kane stats. And there are just so many of them: all suggesting that Kane is utterly elite, a top-tier striker.I (I'm not suggesting that you're silly for having reservations but I am saying that they're undeserved.)

 

[SilentWitness]

He's scored against Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund (like 4 times in 3 games), Juventus (in the CL and from the halfway line in preseason), the PL elite, and basically every top team he's played against.

In that CL final season, Spurs wouldn't have even made it past the group stage without Kane's goals and assists. England wouldn't have made it out of their/our 2018 WC group without his goals, let alone the last 16 (which is actually pretty shocking). He also took England to the Nations League finals with great performances against Croatia and Spain.

He won Spurs a LC semifinal against Chelsea. He scored in an FA Cup semifinal against Chelsea, which Spurs proceeded to lose. He dragged Spurs through about half a dozen FA Cup ties, despite typically being only a desperate substitute in that competition (in his absence, Spurs have gone out of the cups to teams like Colchester and Norwich). He opened the scoring at the so-called "Battle of Stamford Bridge", which Spurs absolutely had to win to stay in PL contention. And that's just his story against Chelsea, leave alone his NLD heroics.

He's scored tons of important goals at key moments for club and country against every level of opposition. My point is that his opportunities to prove himself further have been limited by the quality of the teams he plays for rather than his own ability. Within the confines of what he's had the chance to do, he's done most of it. It's not his fault if he scores at a historic ratio but his defence keeps letting in more than he can score (or than anyone can realistically be expected to score).

Anyway, people like you are the reason I'm shitposting Kane stats. And there are just so many of them: all suggesting that Kane is utterly elite, a top-tier striker.

The funny thing is that I'm not even denying he is an elite striker. I'm just saying that so far throughout his career he has not performed at that top standard in the latter stages of cup competitions as much as other top strikers have. That's not me discrediting him, it's just a fact. I hope he moves to City so he has the opportunity to do so and I think he will (show he can that is, at City or otherwise).

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

The funny thing is that I'm not even denying he is an elite striker. I'm just saying that so far throughout his career he has not performed at that top standard in the latter stages of cup competitions as much as other top strikers have. That's not me discrediting him, it's just a fact.

There’s a difference between not performing in games, and not even being in these games in the first place.

With all due respect, he plays for spurs, and so his opportunities are slim.

 

[SilentWitness]

There’s a difference between not performing in games, and not even being in these games in the first place.

With all due respect, he plays for spurs, and so his opportunities are slim.

Euro 2016 and WC 2018? 1 penalty goal in the knockouts, 4 games.
League Cup 2015 Semi-Finals and Final - Played in all 3 games, no goals.
FA Cup 16-17 - QF injured after 10 mins, SF scores 1 goal.
EL Last 32 16-17 against Gent - plays in both games, 0 goals, knocked out.
FA Cup SF 17-18 - no goals.
CL Last 16 - 2 games, 1 goal.
League Cup 18-19 QF and SF - Played 1 and a half games - 1 penalty goal.
CL Last 16 - Final - 1 goal in 2.5 games.

I've specifically taken latter knockout stages in the domestic cups / all knockouts in the elite competitions of CL and International because that is what I was talking about in the first place. I really like Kane but that is around 17 games and in them he has 3 goals and 2 penalty goals.

 

[1966]

I just think it's still the one remaining question mark surrounding him, despite injury being an issue in some of the cases. He hasn't done it enough in the latter stages of the big competitions aside from the PL. Not that all of that is his fault but the very top players have that in their locker.

Fair enough. The logical conclusion of all of this is that Kane really has to leave Spurs if he wants to be universally rated at the level his talent deserves.

He's only had two huge chances at the biggest competitions (a CL final in which he was semi-injured and a WC semi in which he wasn't particularly good) and any player can have two off games at random, let alone when they're not 100% fit. I get frustrated when people try to extrapolate a player profile from the tiny sample of those two matches, especially when he's singlehandedly won many knockout games for Spurs and England already (in the LC, FA Cup, EL, CL and WC). Faltering in the only one and a half massive games you've had the chance to play hardly constitutes a convincing trend.

But what you've said is reasonable enough IMO.

 

[balaks]

Yawn.

 

[jymufc20]

Yawn.

You sound like you have just watched a Harry Kane interview.

 

[balaks]

You sound like you have just watched a Harry Kane interview.

Just an automatic response i have to the almost constant talk about Kane leaving Spurs i have to put up with every summer.

 

[Maluco]

Just an automatic response i have to the almost constant talk about Kane leaving Spurs i have to put up with every summer.

Do you think he will end up leaving though? Or do you think he genuinely loves the club and wants to have his legacy there?

I have noticed his mobility hasn’t been as good recently, which is probably a result of injuries and coming back so early. He is still so quality though. He is underrated as a footballer and his passing is so crisp. He is still one of the best finishers around too. I wouldn’t have him dropping deeper, but he is such a good player, I can see why they do it.

How do the fans feel? I suppose this season could be major in him making a decision?

 

[balaks]

Do you think he will end up leaving though? Or do you think he genuinely loves the club and wants to have his legacy there?

I have noticed his mobility hasn’t been as good recently, which is probably a result of injuries and coming back so early. He is still so quality though. He is underrated as a footballer and his passing is so crisp. He is still one of the best finishers around too. I wouldn’t have him dropping deeper, but he is such a good player, I can see why they do it.

How do the fans feel? I suppose this season could be major in him making a decision?

I think if he is going to leave it will be next summer. Obviously i hope he doesn't.

 

[el3mel]

I personally don't think Kane will ever leave Spurs. He'll retire there.

 

[jymufc20]

Just an automatic response i have to the almost constant talk about Kane leaving Spurs i have to put up with every summer.

Don't worry about that, he will never leave Spurs, seems to have the same ambition as Shearer.

 

[cjj]

Don't worry about that, he will never leave Spurs, seems to have the same ambition as Shearer.

Wouldn't that be the same Shearer that left Southampton, then Blackburn?

General problem with Shearer was that he joined his boyhood club when they were on the cusp of winning the league, and then went pants soon after, so I don't necessarily doubt his ambition.

 

[Maluco]

It can go both ways too. Shearer is still adored by a large fan base and is seen as a PL legend. The only difference is, his PL was won by the time he went to Newcastle.

I think there is a lot to be said for staying somewhere you are adored though. Look at recent transfers like Greizmann and Coutinho. The grass isn’t always greener.

 

[jymufc20]

Wouldn't that be the same Shearer that left Southampton, then Blackburn?

General problem with Shearer was that he joined his boyhood club when they were on the cusp of winning the league, and then went pants soon after, so I don't necessarily doubt his ambition.

The same Shearer that had zero ambition other than being top scorer in the league.

 

[cjj]

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[slored1]

He was an absolute monster yesterday. Seems to have unlocked another part of his game under Jose with his playmaking.

 

[kouroux]

How many assists so far ?

 

[Bwuk]

He was outstanding yesterday. If him and Son can keep this form up, and Bale gets firing Spurs will be scary.

 

[VP89]

The perfect United number 9

 

[Berbasbullet]

Imagine Kane leads spurs to the title, what a legacy for him and Jose!

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

The perfect United number 9

Levy would rather die than sell Kane to us probably.

 

[ti vu]

How many assists so far ?

6 in the League. I remember him get at least an assist in EL.

I believe he is adding another dimension to his game. It's not mere drop deep and assist. It's playmaking, orchestrating the play. It's hard for CB to follow him or midfielder to pick him up now, especially with Tottenham has team full of runners from the other attackers, midfielders and fullbacks. He can shoot alright, and while not pacy can dribble well.

 

[sun_tzu]

Levy would rather die than sell Kane to us probably.

Not sure about that... but im pretty sure the glazers wouldn't willingly part with the money levy would want

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Not sure about that... but im pretty sure the glazers wouldn't willingly part with the money levy would want

Levy wont sell Kane unless Kane wants to be sold. Its a myth that Levy just sells, he has never sold a top player that didn't want to leave.

 

[Samid]

Sign him up.

 

[DRM]

Sign him up.

Sure, just need 200 million to open a dialogue with levy

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Levy wont sell Kane unless Kane wants to be sold. Its a myth that Levy just sells, he has never sold a top player that didn't want to leave.

that’s a very strange metric. Clubs don’t generally sell players that want to stay, do they?

 

[bondsname]

Has been a top player for years now but at the moment he's in his prime, the man can do everything. Feels like he'll retire at Tottenham though, can't imagine him playing anywhere else.

 

[TMDaines]

Transforming into Zlatan after his injuries have reduced some of his physical attributes. I thought he had peaked.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Wow!

 

[mu4c_20le]

According to some, he's not even the best striker in the city. And its not even close.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

He's my favourite non United player.

He's a complete forward.

 

[FootballHQ]

Man. City should be all over him end of the season.

 

[Suvvernmanc]

As good as, or better than any #9 in the world. Who remembers when alot on the caf said he wasn't worth the £60m he was quoted as being worth in the papers.?

 

[AltiUn]

One of the best players in the world on current form. He and Son have one of the best partnerships going too. I'm all aboard the Kane train this season.

 

[DRM]

Man. City should be all over him end of the season.

No chance they can afford 200m for 1 player

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

that’s a very strange metric. Clubs don’t generally sell players that want to stay, do they?

Nothing strange about it, Levy got stick for "cashing in on players" he didn't have much choice.

 

[FootballHQ]

No chance they can afford 200m for 1 player

How long does he left on his deal? My feeling is he'd force a move at end of season if Spurs didn't get top 4 (which looks far more likely now than 3 weeks ago) and win a trophy as he'll be 28 end of next season and currently won less than Shearer.

Of course if he has years left tougher to get him out of Spurs. Man. City need to do something as Aguero will be off soon anyway.