Pickford's tackle on VVD: What should be the punishment?

[prateik]

I seriously don't think they can do anything.. The game stopped. The ref knew something happened even if he didnt see it properly.. VAR knew it. there was plenty of time to check it.

The seriousness of the injury or the outrage after the fact cant change the decision..

If VAR missed it, the player got lucky.. and the FA can take action against the person in charge of VAR... the same way the FA doesnt go about awarding points for shit VAR calls.

It's done.. Pickford wont be punished.

 

[Untd55]

Should be a red-card equivalent ban. It was a stupid challenge, but it shouldn't be anything more than that.

But, regardless of what they do it won't change the fact he shouldn't have gone in the game against Liverpool.

 

[Jibbs]

It is along the lines of Keane vs Haaland. Should get similar ban. I'd say at least 5 to 8 games plus a month's salary in fine would do.

 

[matherto]

I mean, in hindsight it’s a truly awful tackle but having played as a keeper I can’t help but feel like there’s no intent other than throw your body in the way.

When you do that there can be completely unintended consequences and injuring players can be collateral damage but you haven’t thought about anything other than throwing yourself in the way.

I suppose it doesn’t make what happened any better but I don’t think Pickford actually made a tackle, just tried to stop a shot.

Besides, the call was offside and that comes before anything else that happened doesn’t it? Not really much the FA could do.

 

[Judas]

There was zero intent, it's just a clumsy bad goalkeeper challenge on a player. Bizarre people making it out like it was some vicious attack where Pickford was trying to kill him.

 

[golden_blunder]

I mean, in hindsight it’s a truly awful tackle but having played as a keeper I can’t help but feel like there’s no intent other than throw your body in the way.

When you do that there can be completely unintended consequences and injuring players can be collateral damage but you haven’t thought about anything other than throwing yourself in the way.

I suppose it doesn’t make what happened any better but I don’t think Pickford actually made a tackle, just tried to stop a shot.

Besides, the call was offside and that comes before anything else that happened doesn’t it? Not really much the FA could do.

I don’t think that’s true though.

 

[Gio]

I don't think there's much intent to harm there. More panic - fed by his recent mistakes - in lunging out to close the danger. Regardless of intent though, all that matters is that it's extremely reckless.

However the rules around suspension lengths are are antiquated and haven't really modernised since it was par for the course to kick the shit out of attacking players. Punishment should better reflect the threat to the opposition player's safety. I imagine in a decade or so we'll look back at the absurdity of only incurring 3-game bans for reckless tackles that put players out for several months.

On a side note, I always felt goalkeepers get a lot of leeway being thuggish.

Remember this

At the time on here there was plenty of debate if that was a fair challenge or not.

 

[Jippy]

Well seeing as Martial got 3 games for tapping that pussy Lamela on the face and this has potentially ruptured VVD's ACL I'd be leaning more towards 6+ frankly. I hate seeing thuggish shit on a pitch no matter who is playing

Why 6+ why not 7+? It's all so arbitrary.
Can you imagine if you a premier league panel judging how long a ban to give for each red card tackle? No-one would ever agree on it.
It's just one of those quirks of the game- a two-footed legbreaker gets the same red card as pulling a player's shirt when he's clean through.

 

[matherto]

I don’t think that’s true though.

The foul is irrelevant if it’s offside so the refs/VAR wouldn’t do anything.

For retrospective punishment they’d have to believe Pickford deliberately did it which I don’t think he did for the reasons I detailed. He just threw his body in the way and unfortunately caught VVD awfully in the process.

 

[Florida Man]

The punishment should be a ban when playing us only.

 

[izec]

At the time on here there was plenty of debate if that was a fair challenge or not.

That is a pen and yellow for Neuer, absolutely reckless.

 

[Kag]

A bad challenge that some folks are blowing well out of proportion. Somewhat understandably as a result of the outcome. Really, Pickford has starfished out to make himself big and block any potential shot. Keepers do that every game. There’s no malice there, only clumsiness. The unfortunate thing here is that Van Dijk’s leg has been caught between his legs.

In truth, Rashford and Darlow coming together yesterday could have led to injury. It only takes a leg in the wrong place at point of contact and suddenly we’re calling either one of them every name under the sun. These things happen.

Parallels to Keane, Michael Brown or Thatcher are wrong. They committed assaults in which there was no intention to play the ball. Pickford tried and clumsily failed. Hopefully van Dijk comes back from this.

 

[calodo2003]

That is a pen and yellow for Neuer, absolutely reckless.

But, a keeper both needs to use his legs in such a manner to jump with height as well as for protection. The manner of the two players coming together looks bad, but taking away that physical move by the keeper limits what a keeper could do & offers no protection. Look at how a keeper jumps up for a ball, the knee comes up which gives the GK power & height in the jump.

In this particular case of Neuer coming so far off of his line & jumping normally leading with his knee, I agree that a penalty should have been called as it clearly was reckless & he should have been cautioned. It wasn’t Schumacher intentionally using his hip, it was just out of control. But there will always be collisions of the keeper’s knee with opposing players & virtually all of them will be less impactful than this.

 

[Jericholyte2]

Tonya Harding his ass!!!

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Let’s be realistic there won’t be a season ban. Precedent for season bans is jumping into crowds and battering Crystal Palace racist fans.
Everything else is a shorter punishment

Yeah was just a joke about Pickford being complete shite.

 

[Ed9]

Henderson has the same dumb look as well, he’s just a better keeper than Pickford.

That's pretty harsh on our Deano Hendo Sono.

 

[Ed9]

The punishment should be a ban when playing us only.

That would punish us.

 

[Loon]

Bad challenge mishandled by the ref, but I remember Moreno's on Shaw saw him allowed to stay on the field and bloody score.

Pickford is a bullshit keeper, but I believe it was accidental - the same as that Reading lad's was on Petr Cech, which could have had far worse consequences.

 

[calodo2003]

That's pretty harsh on our Deano Hendo Sono.

Okay, a much better keeper.

 

[dwd]

It is along the lines of Keane vs Haaland. Should get similar ban. I'd say at least 5 to 8 games plus a month's salary in fine would do.

It is nothing like that.

 

[Green_Red]

Its a mad tackle, not sure what he is thinking but deserves a red card for sure. Could have ended his career there.

 

[kouroux]

For an injury like that, 3 games is too short (assuming the ref red carded him).

 

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[calodo2003]

It is along the lines of Keane vs Haaland. Should get similar ban. I'd say at least 5 to 8 games plus a month's salary in fine would do.

Wasn’t premeditated.

 

[Sandikan]

It is along the lines of Keane vs Haaland. Should get similar ban. I'd say at least 5 to 8 games plus a month's salary in fine would do.

It's nothing like it.
Keane had a personal grudge, waited all game, then intentionally went and studded Haaland with the ball gone.
Then admitted it was on purpose in his book!

Pickford's was a reckless storm out to try and smash the ball away.
Without the severity of injury, no-one would even be talking about it by Monday.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

I just saw Robertson and Allen incident. It looked like he did it on purpose?

I'm pretty sure he did. Everton could come out and say "will all tackles be looked at retrospectively? This one was from behind, off the ball"....

That aside, Pickford's tackle is shit. 6 game ban minimum for me (and 3 for Aguerro). Getting too lenient, need to start making footballers think about consequences a bit more... being as they'll never do it off their own bat.

 

[Adnan]

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[kouroux]

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Parliament ? For fecking real ?

 

[11101]

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You expect nothing less from the perennial victims.

 

[Stretender]

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Which Parliament? They tell us they are not English. Jokers.

 

[Snow]

Keepers are well known for challenging players without regards for their safety. I equate it to drunk driving. People that go behind the wheel drunk aren't doing so with the intent of causing harm to themselves or other but they're quite obviously acting recklessly and know what they are doing is wrong.

 

[Alejandro Angel]

A bit much, a drunk driver can kill.someone. Pickford is

Keepers are well known for challenging players without regards for their safety. I equate it to drunk driving. People that go behind the wheel drunk aren't doing so with the intent of causing harm to themselves or other but they're quite obviously acting recklessly and know what they are doing is wrong.

A bit much, a drunk driver can kill people a bad challenge can finnish a career.
It was a bad challenge that should have had a.red.card but that is it does anyone believe Pickford was trying to do anything other than stop a chance on goal, I cannot see any intent to cause harm, yes he was reckless and caused injury but the calls for 5 games to 7 months is just unbelievable.

 

[Jippy]

Keepers are well known for challenging players without regards for their safety. I equate it to drunk driving. People that go behind the wheel drunk aren't doing so with the intent of causing harm to themselves or other but they're quite obviously acting recklessly and know what they are doing is wrong.

It's a ridiculous comparison. A clumsy tackle is a bit different to smashing into someone at 70mph pissed in a car.
Never seen anyone get a criminal record for a tackle either.

 

[PoTMS]

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Candlelit vigil for Virgil.

 

[Castia]

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Any smudge of sympathy for them goes out if the window minutes later...

Why do they always do the same deluded shit? their fans love it though, I bet the lot of them generally think this should happen.

 

[WR10]

They should use this to set a precedent. Reckless behaviour like that should be ironed out to stop permanently harming players short careers. 3 match ban.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Parliament ? For fecking real ?

Which Parliament? They tell us they are not English. Jokers.

If they get 100000 signatures through the official channels it could be considered for debate in parliament. I think it would get rejected at the first stage though.

https://petition.parliament.uk/help

I think they’re serious sadly.

 

[Foxbatt]

Ridiculous accusation. It was reckless if at all. There is no malicious intent in his tackle.

 

[Florida Man]

That would punish us.

I don't want him injuring our players too.

 

[Jippy]

If they get 100000 signatures through the official channels it could be considered for debate in parliament. I think it would get rejected at the first stage though.

https://petition.parliament.uk/help

I think they’re serious sadly.

Yeah let's just put the Covid response and final stages of the Brexit negotiations to one side for a minute and focus on the real issue at hand.