And that is somehow a bad thing? Should we have lost or should we have played a different formation for this to count?Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
We win quite a lot against teams considered 'underdogs' against us too. Pure facts, look at results.Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Penalties are a result of good play in the opposition box. And the fact that we had a record number of penalties last season kind of disproves your thesis that they will dry up.Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Does 3rd place mean midtable to you? Or are you just a bitter, agenda-driven and stubborn person who clings to their opinion regardless how many facts disprove it?Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
Ok, so let's look at our record then:When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
That's a horrendous takeDid we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
This is new... it's like a pre-emptive knee-jerk against the knee-jerk... some kind of knee-jerkceptionYou'll get backlash with this post but knee jerking works both ways - after a big win and a disappointing loss. We're still very much a work in progress and I don't believe Ole is the man to take us to the position of challenging for titles but there was a clear difference in how we played last night versus how we playing the game that got Ole the job. That's what the most impressive things from last night was - the performance, not the result.
Mbappe in big CL games with paris : 3 goals in 13 games including only one in 9 KOs CL games and most of time, mediocre performances in all those games and not even one mind blowing performance.We learned some new things though:
Most importantly we've won because we've been the better team overall, not relying on individual brilliance. That certainly is a good sign, and hopefully we'll gain some momentum now. About time for big league games.
- Shaw is better fit for LCB than left back, let alone wingback
- Lindelof can be a fine defender if surrounded by pace (same applies to Maguire I'm sure)
- we should not fear any wingers against Wan Bissaka, PSG was at tough game as it gets with Mbappe and Neymar coming at him
- Fred and McTominay didn't crumble when pressed (although this PSG side wasn't particularly great, they still have quality all over the pitch)
an almost as overrated stat as Mbappe : firstly, Paris didn't play in CL between 2004 and 2012 which makes this stat much less impressive and secondly, you can't really say Paris played at home yesterday as there was no crowdImagine being happy about quantifiable progress? Imagine that strange notion.
Last night the best team won, to a team that haven’t lost a game at home since 2004 and reached a CL final last season.
That result would have not been possible post Fergie until now.
This is the thing I don't get. Barring two losses when they were short a preseason we've been very good since the start of February. That's over 30 games. And yet people act like beating PSG is some sort of rare respite from months of torture and that Ole is on the point of being sacked.Okay. I won’t get carried away with last night. I actually think we can play far better with the ball than we did. Can I get carried away with 4 defeats since January instead? Or is that not a big enough sample size to escape the pit of misery most in this place are perpetually in
guess you missed us win the game by switching to a back 4. It was an excellent performance, enjoy it!Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
We are still a work in project, seems like some fans will mock others for taking any happiness from good results unless we are run away league winners. Ole may or may not be the right man but for now he is the coach and I think there are good signs and some not so great signs.Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club? I believe a lot of people are pleased about how we looked rather than just the win. We have won a lot of big games by absorbing pressure and countering but this was more like the City game last season were we actually outplayed them and were clearly the more dangerous side.
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win? Yes we need to improve at putting away smaller sides. With that said we were the form side in the league since the restart last season and despite suffering from a lack of pre season and a dodgy red card we seem to be getting on track now we have some games under our belt.
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up? We win penalties because we have a lot of fast tricky players in the era of VAR. I see no reason why they would "dry up".
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding. Finished third and Ole said it was not good enough. Ironically Ole is the coach most likely to actually batter a mid table side since Sir Alex.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all. "A poor PSG side" that got to the Champions League final.
why do we have to learn stuff? its not fecking school mate
Pretty much. There are people though who have measured opinions. A lot of the Ole in crowd are wary of his shortcomings, and a lot of the Ole out crowd see that he's progressed the side somewhat, trimmed the squad, improved the atmosphere and gotten good results when he can set the team up for counter attack.When we lose it proves everything, when we win it proves nothing. Am I getting that right?
Top reds not happy Solskjaer got a good result so need to paint the fans who enjoyed it as small time to make them and their elite mindsets feel better.Where are the quotes to suggest people are getting “carried away”? I’ve not seen evidence of that. Just celebrating a good win where we got it right on and off the pitch.
Stop being so pessimistic and for once enjoy a game when you can. From reading all the things you have just said, I gather that you are taking a lot of things to heart. I blame the owners and that idiot Ed for screwing up our club but I will never not appreciate a performance like this. Regardless of what the situation is, we should never feel like underdogs. We're one the biggest clubs in Europe and I'm sure Ole brought that up in his team meeting. Yes, our squad is small and we have problems in every part of the pitch but for once I saw Ole and the team being positive and courageous. It's times like these I want us true fans to enjoy because God knows if things will stay the same way. I know you cannot take this victory to our heads and expect this to repeat every game but I'm saying don't ruin the moment for all of us because it was a hard fought victory and the team deserves our praise. We took a plan and executed it to perfection. It's not our fault that PSG played a weak team because we can only control our side of things.Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
Well put!And that is somehow a bad thing? Should we have lost or should we have played a different formation for this to count?
We win quite a lot against teams considered 'underdogs' against us too. Pure facts, look at results.
Penalties are a result of good play in the opposition box. And the fact that we had a record number of penalties last season kind of disproves your thesis that they will dry up.
Does 3rd place mean midtable to you? Or are you just a bitter, agenda-driven and stubborn person who clings to their opinion regardless how many facts disprove it?
Ok, so let's look at our record then:
These are our results since the Burnley debacle on the 22nd of January (we lost 0:2 at home), excluding games against Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal:
So, are you still claiming that we can't beat such sides? Or is your agenda too deep and strong to admit you were wrong?
- Watford at home, 3:0 win
- Everton away, 1:1 draw
- Derby County away for the FA Cup, 3:0 win
- Sheffield United at home, 3:0 win
- Norwich, neutral for the FA Cup, 1:2 win after extra time
- Brighton away, 3:0 win
- Bournemouth at home, 5:2 win
- Aston Villa away, 3:0 win
- Southampton at home, 2:2 draw (the game we lost Shaw to injury)
- Crystal Palace away, 2:0 win
- West Ham at home, 1:1 draw
- Leicester away, 2:0 win
- Crystal Palace at home, 1:3 loss (new season)
- Luton away for the Carabao, 3:0 win
- Brighton away, 3:2 win
- Brighton away for the Carabao, 3:0 win
- Tottenham at home, 1:6 loss
- Newcastle away, 4:1 win
hahaha. You are really funny :POk let’s all go back to being miserable and unimpressed until we win 100 games in a row.
We are getting penalties because we have pacey players attacking the box. It isn't going to dry up unless we change our forward line.Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
We've already done that this calendar year and plenty of people - the usual suspects - remained unconvinced. That was just a Bruno-inspired purple patch that bore no reflection on Ole as a manager. Nothing good is ever down to him and anything bad is definitely down to him. It's utter horseshit.Elvis made a similar thread and I agreed there too. It was a good result of course but it's one game and doesn't undermine many people's complaints.
Personally I thought the game could have gone either way and the fact we relied on some heroics makes it more impressive. These will not come always against a lot of lesser teams, which is probably why we struggle against them more than the bigger teams (but fair play to Ole for motivating).
That said, results are half the problem. The caf thinks we're amazing when we win and shit when we lose. It's rarely a reflection of the bigger picture.
I feel we need to go on a run of 5-10 great games to truly say things have turned around. There's promise now which is the best thing.
Fair point. I think my only criticism left is that we seem better at being reactive rather than proactive (like after lockdown when we were chasing top 4). It's probably the missing link between us and a proper title challenge. Hopefully it comes over the next few years.We've already done that this calendar year and plenty of people - the usual suspects - remained unconvinced. That was just a Bruno-inspired purple patch that bore no reflection on Ole as a manager. Nothing good is ever down to him and anything bad is definitely down to him. It's utter horseshit.
Exactly - the hypocrisy is shockingWhen we lose it proves everything, when we win it proves nothing. Am I getting that right?
You have to enjoy the good games when they come my friend and yes PSG were poor but every player gave it everything and that is the minimum you can ask. We slate players so easily but when they give performances like that against a top opposition who were only Champions League finalists last season you have to applaud. Also not having a proper preseason leading majority of the squad unfit will lead to performances we have seen. Lets not Bash but hope we go on a run from here an Unbeaten Winning Run.Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.