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Litch

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Hmmmm......great game and it's interesting that often we go after certain players cause it's an easy target when the issues are much bigger. Lindelof might not be the problem but his 80m partner might well be a bigger one. Whilst heading is important, so are a lot more other things why we would never buy a Steve Bruce in this era.
 

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Stats vs Chelsea

-----------------------Tackles--Inter--Clearances---Aerial won---Blocks--Pass%---Rating
Maguire------------0------------1------------6----------------5------------------1---------88.3------7.32
Lindelof-------------1-----------1------------2----------------1------------------1---------90.3------6.98

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/99487/MatchStatistics/Harry-Maguire
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/100008/MatchStatistics/Victor-Lindelöf

I am really getting tired of this agenda against Maguire. Maguire is our best defender. This isn't my opinion. It's a fact...
No offends, but your post is another example of confusing Whoscored stats with performance. If it was that simple, Tuanzebe was our worst player in the starting XI vs PSG because he got the lowest Whoscored ranking.

These stats reflect a portion of the performance, for sure, but not more than a portion. Lindelof probably got a few ticks in the clearance stats when he cleared some low crosses, but the things he did best will no necessarily be seen in the stats, examples:

Winning back the ball early. Did this several times and I don’t think this is seen in the stats you show. (They are seen in other more extensive stats however). Examples from second half can be seen at 61:55, at 74:05 and 81:20.

Following Werner closely so he didn’t get a chance. Some like this, some don’t but in this match where he mixed it with a more aggressive style it was effective. See 62:20 for example.

Anticipation. Look at 77:15 how he covers for Maguire who missed the ball. Lindelof started that run even before Maguire’s miss because he sa there could be problems if he missed.

He was great at making himself available for a pass during press and to handle the ball during press.

These are some example that come to my mind, where the things he did best is not reflected in the stats.
 

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No offends, but your post is another example of confusing Whoscored stats with performance. If it was that simple, Tuanzebe was our worst player in the starting XI vs PSG because he got the lowest Whoscored ranking.

These stats reflect a portion of the performance, for sure, but not more than a portion. Lindelof probably got a few ticks in the clearance stats when he cleared some low crosses, but the things he did best will no necessarily be seen in the stats, examples:

Winning back the ball early. Did this several times and I don’t think this is seen in the stats you show. (They are seen in other more extensive stats however). Examples from second half can be seen at 61:55, at 74:05 and 81:20.

Following Werner closely so he didn’t get a chance. Some like this, some don’t but in this match where he mixed it with a more aggressive style it was effective. See 62:20 for example.

Anticipation. Look at 77:15 how he covers for Maguire who missed the ball. Lindelof started that run even before Maguire’s miss because he sa there could be problems if he missed.

He was great at making himself available for a pass during press and to handle the ball during press.

These are some example that come to my mind, where the things he did best is not reflected in the stats.
Agree. For me with football, the eye test is always better than the maths one.
 

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No offends, but your post is another example of confusing Whoscored stats with performance. If it was that simple, Tuanzebe was our worst player in the starting XI vs PSG because he got the lowest Whoscored ranking.

These stats reflect a portion of the performance, for sure, but not more than a portion. Lindelof probably got a few ticks in the clearance stats when he cleared some low crosses, but the things he did best will no necessarily be seen in the stats, examples:

Winning back the ball early. Did this several times and I don’t think this is seen in the stats you show. (They are seen in other more extensive stats however). Examples from second half can be seen at 61:55, at 74:05 and 81:20.

Following Werner closely so he didn’t get a chance. Some like this, some don’t but in this match where he mixed it with a more aggressive style it was effective. See 62:20 for example.

Anticipation. Look at 77:15 how he covers for Maguire who missed the ball. Lindelof started that run even before Maguire’s miss because he sa there could be problems if he missed.

He was great at making himself available for a pass during press and to handle the ball during press.

These are some example that come to my mind, where the things he did best is not reflected in the stats.
I tend to agree with your point that stats do not tell the whole story. Lindelof was great last night at guiding the opponent towards safe areas (similar to what Thiago Silva did with Rashford on a few occasions). He also made some great ball carries forward, breaking the lines with dribbling, not only passing.

He was also a clear sign that Ole really went for it as in the second half Lindelof would routinely join the attack to add another body and compress Chelsea further back in their own half. Overall, he did great and was rightfully (in my opinion) voted Man of the Match on the Man Utd official app.
 

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Something that we seen yesterday was his run forward and I forgot that he's quite good at it. It's a shame that we don't see more of it especially against the low block....
 

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Very good yesterday, some really good breaks on the ball and his passing was sharp.
 

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No offends, but your post is another example of confusing Whoscored stats with performance. If it was that simple, Tuanzebe was our worst player in the starting XI vs PSG because he got the lowest Whoscored ranking.

These stats reflect a portion of the performance, for sure, but not more than a portion. Lindelof probably got a few ticks in the clearance stats when he cleared some low crosses, but the things he did best will no necessarily be seen in the stats, examples:

Winning back the ball early. Did this several times and I don’t think this is seen in the stats you show. (They are seen in other more extensive stats however). Examples from second half can be seen at 61:55, at 74:05 and 81:20.

Following Werner closely so he didn’t get a chance. Some like this, some don’t but in this match where he mixed it with a more aggressive style it was effective. See 62:20 for example.

Anticipation. Look at 77:15 how he covers for Maguire who missed the ball. Lindelof started that run even before Maguire’s miss because he sa there could be problems if he missed.

He was great at making himself available for a pass during press and to handle the ball during press.

These are some example that come to my mind, where the things he did best is not reflected in the stats.
My post isn't to say anything negative about Lindelof. I thought he was fantastic. It is to lift Maguire because he seems to have a target on his back for some strange reason...
 

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I tend to agree with your point that stats do not tell the whole story. Lindelof was great last night at guiding the opponent towards safe areas (similar to what Thiago Silva did with Rashford on a few occasions). He also made some great ball carries forward, breaking the lines with dribbling, not only passing.

He was also a clear sign that Ole really went for it as in the second half Lindelof would routinely join the attack to add another body and compress Chelsea further back in their own half. Overall, he did great and was rightfully (in my opinion) voted Man of the Match on the Man Utd official app.
It was good to see him join the attack. I think the defence look more in harmony now again and when one CB moves up, he knows he’ll be covered by the others

My post isn't to say anything negative about Lindelof. I thought he was fantastic. It is to lift Maguire because he seems to have a target on his back for some strange reason...
I got that, it’s just that a lot of people take the stats and make that the reflection of the performance. It’s only reflecting a small portion of the game.
When it comes to Maguire, I agree with you. Many seem unhappy with him atm. He had some poor games but is back on track again. Without him we wouldn’t be playing CL this season.
 

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Thought he was a bit better against Chelsea and we saw him bring the ball out of defence multiple times. His passing wasnt great but he was able to step forward into midfield. Much better for him to have Fred and McTominay in front of him, players who cover a lot of ground and want to challenge for the ball. Also hes statistically just about our best CB and 7th of our players overall. He is very rarely anywhere near there so best to mention it while its true because based on his history he wont stay there as we hopefully improve over the course of the season. Maybe he'll improve with the rest of the team this time
 

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Thought he was a bit better against Chelsea and we saw him bring the ball out of defence multiple times. His passing wasnt great but he was able to step forward into midfield. Much better for him to have Fred and McTominay in front of him, players who cover a lot of ground and want to challenge for the ball. Also hes statistically just about our best CB and 7th of our players overall. He is very rarely anywhere near there so best to mention it while its true because based on his history he wont stay there as we hopefully improve over the course of the season. Maybe he'll improve with the rest of the team this time
He is not a good defender. Certainly not someone we should be having in our first team.

Hopefully Mengi and Tuanzebe develop properly and sort this guy out.

Even Maguire is not that good.
 

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Excellent yesterday, but we need to see consistency from him. I suspect Tuanzebe’s outstanding performance against PSG has put Lindelof on notice he’s got to perform to keep his starting job.
 

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Definitely our best CB in my eyes. Those runs he was making against Chelsea should be a bigger feature of his game, we've seen him do it before to great effect, could be really useful against teams we're struggling to break down.
 

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It was good to see him join the attack. I think the defence look more in harmony now again and when one CB moves up, he knows he’ll be covered by the others


I got that, it’s just that a lot of people take the stats and make that the reflection of the performance. It’s only reflecting a small portion of the game.
When it comes to Maguire, I agree with you. Many seem unhappy with him atm. He had some poor games but is back on track again. Without him we wouldn’t be playing CL this season.
He is a decent CB. After Fellaini he seems to be the one who is getting the flack now.
 

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He's a good player. He gets a silly amount of criticism on here but a-lot of it is agenda driven.
 

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Good game. Kept his concentration and was good on the ball despite intense press, only saw one misplaced pass because of the press. Nice to see him help and build the attack by going forward.
 

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His forward passing was very good. Sometimes he by passed the midfield and passed to our front players. To me at this moment in time he is the number 1 CB at United.
 

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In great form right now thought he played very well again. Very assured and number 1 cb for me at the moment and I’ve been very critical before
 

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He's the leader of the defense alongside Matic.

It's funny, every time I think he's a very good defender, he plays badly. And vice versa. I think I'll stick to him being a very good defender, albeit with a few weaknesses. Weknesses he seems to be working on by the way.
 

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Good game. Kept his concentration and was good on the ball despite intense press, only saw one misplaced pass because of the press. Nice to see him help and build the attack by going forward.
That's stuff he always does very well, as well as his communication. The interesting thing for me is that despite Poulsen being very physical, I can't recall Lindelof being bullied more than once. Which is a great improvement from him.

It just may be that him and Tuanzebe (at least the version that showed up at PSG) is a better combo than any with Maguire, both in defending and attacking.
 

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Another good game from him today. Was one of our better performers IMO.
 

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He's on a decent run of games at the moment.
Agree, I've been quick to criticize the guy when he has his terrible games. Fair should be fair so I will say this he is proving some of us wrong has been on a great run lately. Long may it continue.
 

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That's stuff he always does very well, as well as his communication. The interesting thing for me is that despite Poulsen being very physical, I can't recall Lindelof being bullied more than once. Which is a great improvement from him.

It just may be that him and Tuanzebe (at least the version that showed up at PSG) is a better combo than any with Maguire, both in defending and attacking.
Yes there was a lot of talk that he would be bullied and wouldn’t be able to keep pace but never had any problems really. This game, United defenders defended more with “invisible” skills than physical. It was a very good unit,
communication, helping each other, communicating etc. Some people say it is easy to play defender when we have a defensive setup, but I don’t know if it was so defensive, we scored 5 goals on Bundesliga leader and CL semi finalist Leipzig.

In some games he and Tuanzebe fit well. And sometimes it is good with Maguire’s aerial capacity.
 

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Another solid game from Lindelof. Apart from that time when he gave the ball away, like Maguire, he was assured on the ball, and played some good passes to allow us to beat the press.
 

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He's a good player. He gets a silly amount of criticism on here but a-lot of it is agenda driven.
I think individually he and Maguire are both good players, I'm just not sure I like them together. They got a lot of heat earlier on in the season but they were getting absolutely 0 help from the midfield at the time.
 

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Good game. Kept his concentration and was good on the ball despite intense press, only saw one misplaced pass because of the press. Nice to see him help and build the attack by going forward.
I thought he was amazing. He just seemed very assured and confident on the ball. Not fancy, just assured. He played some really hard passes into Martial. I loved that he finally showed his ability to pass. I think he has made an effort to commit in duels and actually compete even if he loses them or makes a free-kick. I'll take it. Just wanted to let you know A-man.;)
 

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Next time lindelof has a bad game (just like hipster Upamecano did tonight), please can all the hater's remember just how brilliant he has been since Spurs?
 

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Next time lindelof has a bad game (just like hipster Upamecano did tonight), please can all the hater's remember just how brilliant he has been since Spurs?
Which CB isnt okay when their workload defensively is 1 tackle, 1 clearance and 1 header? If you arent asked to do much more than that its hard to look weak defensively.

I'm not saying there werent improvements. I actually liked that he gave away a foul or two when the team were out of position rather than the usual he does where he just pretends nobody is out of position and ignores the people he should be covering. So thats a good improvement. On the ball he would dribble past 1 attacker pushing forward a few times which is the best thing he does on the ball consistently at this point
 

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Which CB isnt okay when their workload defensively is 1 tackle, 1 clearance and 1 header? If you arent asked to do much more than that its hard to look weak defensively.

I'm not saying there werent improvements. I actually liked that he gave away a foul or two when the team were out of position rather than the usual he does where he just pretends nobody is out of position and ignores the people he should be covering. So thats a good improvement. On the ball he would dribble past 1 attacker pushing forward a few times which is the best thing he does on the ball consistently at this point
Hello old friend.

I said since spurs, not just tonight.
 

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I thought he was amazing. He just seemed very assured and confident on the ball. Not fancy, just assured. He played some really hard passes into Martial. I loved that he finally showed his ability to pass. I think he has made an effort to commit in duels and actually compete even if he loses them or makes a free-kick. I'll take it. Just wanted to let you know A-man.;)
Thanks for the message :)
I agree, it seems like he’s been working on his weaknesses and trying to change his game. I think more players have that. Lindelof is trying to be more aggressive and higher up, Maguire is trying to be faster on the ball and Pogba has started with one-touch football.
 

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Another good game from Lindelof, he played with aggression which I loved seeing. Keep it up lad love to see him getting the critics on the chin and deliver.
 

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I think it helps when you have a strong midfield in front of you.
Looking at last nights match, Leipzig hardly troubled any of our defenders, similarly against Chelsea, so a defenders job becomes physically easier, but still requires the concentration so a long ball over the top doesn't catch you out, but he has certainly looked better these last few games. Interesting to see how Lindelof performs up against Calvert - Lewin in a week's time.
 
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