Maybe he needs to slow down just a little bit when he has the ball.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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So having 1 good game is more important than 1 good season or a good career. Gotcha
Herrera is no longer a United player so why are we bothered with him now? I ain't bovvered.
Cut from the same cloth as Bruno. Not as adventurous, but similar mentality for sure.
Fred has consistently performed well since the beginning of last season. Just doesn't get the plaudits he deserves due to the unglamorous role he plays.
Even tonight when he was superb the commentators will still quick to criticise any mistake.
I feel alot of people like to use him as a fall man. If he was English it would be much different
Herrera had 1 good season in 5 at the club and was never able to stay fit when relied upon aside from that 1 season.
Fred has never been an injury risk thus far (knock on wood) and is on his 2nd good season right now. I loved Ander when he was here, but Fred is better and he completely destroyed him just last week.
By that metric Fred has had 0 good seasons here
You just said it yourself he makes mistakes. Bad ones at times like bad control, having the ball picked off him from behind from a pressing player or an inaccurate pass. If he cuts those things out then yes he would perform well. He could also get an occasional goal or create a goalscoring chance. When Matic is creating just as many oppertunities as you are, you need to find a bit more end product
Its called having the slightest amount of objectivity to your opinion. Not every United player is the best in the world, not every former player and players we didnt manage to sign suck.
Not sure you know how seasons work then, pal. Let me know when you figure it out.
That isn't completely wrong to say though. He was very good at times last season sure, especially from being completely out in the cold to finally proving his value, but not enough maybe to claim it as good season, looking at it on it's own. If he can't establish himself this season as a first choice, and perform as he did in the good parts just more consistently then he'll truly be a Herrera copy.
Ander did much better in the big matches and contributed both to the attack and defence in more substantial ways. Created more goals, scored more goals, made more interventions when opponents would have been in a great position to score. Fred has a better passing technique (with both feet) despite losing the ball more often, getting on the ball less than Ander did and creating less. So no he's quite a way short of a copy. He has similar effort but a very different result
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I don't think Fred is favoured by Ole. No idea as to why, you can buy as many prestige surnames to play the midfield role but it doesn't equate to balance. Fred might not tick every box to the criteria of a preferred starting 11 but he balances the midfield second to only Bruno.
The 4-1-2-1-2 shape we held today is probably the most efficient I've seen of the midfield this season. Yes it sacrifices wingers but we don't have one viable traditional winger aside James, it's mostly inside forwards.
The 4-1-2-1-2 shape we held today is probably the most efficient I've seen of the midfield this season. Yes it sacrifices wingers but we don't have one viable traditional winger aside James, it's mostly inside forwards.
Credit to Fred tonight he was absolutely sensational.
if he can maintain that level then I would back him to be the sole cdm in a system to allow us to play two of Bruno, Pogba and DVB, something a lot of fans and even some pundits are talking about being our next step. Especially against a low block.
I tip my hat to Fred, I’ve been a critic since he joined and he’s patiently and quietly working his way up in mine and many other peoples estimations.
if he can maintain that level then I would back him to be the sole cdm in a system to allow us to play two of Bruno, Pogba and DVB, something a lot of fans and even some pundits are talking about being our next step. Especially against a low block.
I tip my hat to Fred, I’ve been a critic since he joined and he’s patiently and quietly working his way up in mine and many other peoples estimations.
Fred is he. If you love the effort, then take him out for a spin why don't you, see how you like it. I always rated Herrera btw. But I still agreed with the perception above that Herrera's time at United was not great. He never really managed to cement his place until it was maybe too late, and he did develop into a leader as well. Most of the time I never blamed him and thought he was unfairly treated after putting in good performances, but he never truly got started until it was too late. Fred has a real chance this season to do what Herrera never managed to do, and I assume we both hope he'll manage. Needs to minimise his sloppy passing, that wont fly this season if he is going to make it but overall importance to the team isn't always measured in stats considering it's a new team all together, different playing styles and other circumstances. For instance, Fred can make a mistake in every big game and not score a single goal this whole season and still contribute to this team in a way that might not have happened for Herrera. Herrera could do bits of it all, Fred maybe has the privilege of not needing to.
Herrera to me was a player who at his best played like Park Ji sungs performance on Pirlo, a player holding back an individual.
Fred to me is able to influence the midfield and the team much more by playing defensive energetic football across a whole opposition attack or midfield.
Fred to me is able to influence the midfield and the team much more by playing defensive energetic football across a whole opposition attack or midfield.
He's just everywhere, he's like an attacker who seems to always be at the end of a ball into the box but defensively. When he hits his stride his touch and passing is even crisper, I can't wait to see him flourish again this season.
He has proven me wrong. Fred is a good player.
Ander was the true definition of average, 5 seasons and not a single manager truly fancied him. Average player with a good attitude.
Was absolutely no surprise Fred absolutely dominated him when they faced off.
People say he run a lot but truth is imo he read the game really well. You can't be where the ball is all the time without great game reading. Defensively he did a prime Kante yesterday. If he can be a bit more tidy and improve his passing then hell of a midfielder we got here.
I just find it annoying that while he has such a good engine and rarely loses a 50/50 his passing is just so bloody dodgy.
First name on team sheet for me. You need him in the team if you want your attackers to express themselves. It lets them play riskier passes knowing that because of players like him, we can win the ball back and not remain out of possession for long periods of time.
The more this happens, the more our attackers gain confidence and not feel weighed down by ’what if I lose possession‘.
Yes, he doesn’t have the best passing accuracy, but he still has decent vision. I at least see him attempting the right pass more often than not and when that right pass comes off, it sets us up brilliantly to counter. This is one thing the McTominay as of now hasn’t done well. He doesn’t see the right pass fast enough. Love them both though, against big teams they are the two I want as a base. Let the attackers do their thing.
The more this happens, the more our attackers gain confidence and not feel weighed down by ’what if I lose possession‘.
Yes, he doesn’t have the best passing accuracy, but he still has decent vision. I at least see him attempting the right pass more often than not and when that right pass comes off, it sets us up brilliantly to counter. This is one thing the McTominay as of now hasn’t done well. He doesn’t see the right pass fast enough. Love them both though, against big teams they are the two I want as a base. Let the attackers do their thing.
Exactly. Fred’s running and positioning off the ball is awesome. Watching him popping up everywhere is brilliant. His contribution last night was incredible and would be my man of the match if Rashford hadn’t come on and looked like the terminator!
If Rashford hadn't got the hattrick, Fred would have been my man of the match. Very, very good. Was it two or three goals today, where he wins the ball while pressing which leads to us scoring?
He has really grown to be an integral part of this team, I think. Works so hard, which makes it possible to play with a lot of attack-minded players besides and ahead of him. He seems to be more than okay, and actually enjoy, doing the dirty work, that allows some freedom to players such as Bruno, Van De Beek and Pogba who are supposed to help out defending in the middle of the park.
His quality is highlighted in matches against the big teams in the league and in Europe. People are talking about, that this was his kind of game, and sometimes it sounds as a kind of criticism. Well, I am more than okay with a player who several times has proven very important in big matches, and recently has played very good in two big wins against PSG and Leipzig. He excels in these matches, and we should really value having a player that can help us be competitive in the big matches.
The point about him not being the answer in matches against teams that just sit deep and defends all game, I don't really buy. I don't think Fred is the problem. The problem is the players he is paired with in midfield. With McTominay you get too much of the same, Pogba is hot and cold from game to game in the deep-lying role, Matic is not a playmaker and so on. We really, really need a player like Thiago, Kroos, Pjanic or Modric who can pick out a pass all over the field and make things tick. That being said, all of those players are either too old or out of reach, so it is a tough ask to just find someone like them.
He has really grown to be an integral part of this team, I think. Works so hard, which makes it possible to play with a lot of attack-minded players besides and ahead of him. He seems to be more than okay, and actually enjoy, doing the dirty work, that allows some freedom to players such as Bruno, Van De Beek and Pogba who are supposed to help out defending in the middle of the park.
His quality is highlighted in matches against the big teams in the league and in Europe. People are talking about, that this was his kind of game, and sometimes it sounds as a kind of criticism. Well, I am more than okay with a player who several times has proven very important in big matches, and recently has played very good in two big wins against PSG and Leipzig. He excels in these matches, and we should really value having a player that can help us be competitive in the big matches.
The point about him not being the answer in matches against teams that just sit deep and defends all game, I don't really buy. I don't think Fred is the problem. The problem is the players he is paired with in midfield. With McTominay you get too much of the same, Pogba is hot and cold from game to game in the deep-lying role, Matic is not a playmaker and so on. We really, really need a player like Thiago, Kroos, Pjanic or Modric who can pick out a pass all over the field and make things tick. That being said, all of those players are either too old or out of reach, so it is a tough ask to just find someone like them.
First goal - He won the ball, then Pogba played the through ball
Second goal - He passed the ball to Bruno, who then assisted Rashford
Third goal - He won the ball (Or made the player to lose the ball) and Rashford scored
Fourth goal - He passed the ball to Martial, who then won penalty.
He was just everywhere
Second goal - He passed the ball to Bruno, who then assisted Rashford
Third goal - He won the ball (Or made the player to lose the ball) and Rashford scored
Fourth goal - He passed the ball to Martial, who then won penalty.
He was just everywhere
Did nothing for the fifth though. Shit player.
This. Wanted to post it myself as well. Was influencial to all our goals scored yesterday. Turned into quite a player the lad.
Absolute beast last night. Loved watching him pop up everywhere and harassing RB's players. Long may it continue.
Total lack of composure on the ball. Not sure I'm buying his style of play. He whips the ball left right and centre and far too often his passing puts our other players under pressure. A perfect example last night where he's on the ball with time to pick his player. Instead he whips it to VDB who's surrounded by Leipzig players, which puts him under pressure. Leipzig win the ball in a dangerous position and attack our goal.
Is it? I think his passing is class. He actually takes a fair bit of risk and has a great pass %. Someone like McTominay on the other somehow manages to complete a fewer % of his passes despite being far less imaginative/creative
After Rashford Fred was our best player last night. Was an absolute beast in midfield. Completely locked down any danger from the RBL midfield and him and Wan B where constantly reading the play and intercepting RBL's passes.
Absolutely monster performance from Fred.
Absolutely monster performance from Fred.
Fred was immense again last night, another player who's drastically improved under Solskjaer. Whatever our best midfield is, Fred and Fernandes are part of it.
Shades of Park Ji Sung about Fred
If that's all you saw last night I really don't know what to tell you. Good grief.
Still gets caught when pressed a little too much for my liking but gives us a brilliant platform to play from.
He just needs to eliminate his simple mistakes while passing, seems like he sometimes rushes it.
Other than that, he's basically our own Kante. Relentless presser.
Other than that, he's basically our own Kante. Relentless presser.
You can see now with these performances why the club spent £50 million on this lad. He is a vital cog in the engine room giving us that energy, power, pressing and pace in midfield that we cry out for. I also think he can be the catalyst to finally bring out the best assets of Pogba (a bit like prime Kante did for France). He won’t get the media adoration but it’s clear that in any big game, he must be the first name on the team sheet. He gives our midfield conundrum some actual balance which can be no greater compliment right now.
Would you give it a break. One good game my arse. The difference in our play and results with and without Fred is like night and day. Palace, Brighton and Spurs he doesnt start, shite performances/results. Last 4 games he starts and lo and behold 4 great performances from the team. Then there is last season before he was left out of the team, some great performances from him in treble wins over City and Chelsea in same season.
They are in no way similar players anyway so I dont even know why you are comparing them.
You really shouldn't be getting upset about a perceived lack of praise for a former player on a night when we have our best European performance and result in years......bizarre.
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