2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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It’s shocking that anyone, regardless of skin color, would be so idiotic to think that this president has done that much for criminal reform. Save for some high profile releases of inmates who were out there wrongly, he hasn’t done much at all.

It just goes to show how the fascist philosophy of citizens falling more easily prey to the bigger lie is spot on.
Young money just wants those tax cuts.
 

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From all the data I've seen this cycle, it's purely the Cuban population driving the pro-GOP numbers among Hispanic voters in FL. Other non-Cuban Hispanic FL groups are more in line with the rest of the country. Basically, FL is still held hostage by a bunch of Cuban exiles who are unhappy they can't exploit their fellow former countrymen to make every last buck off their backs (or that's what it seems like to me).
Cubans are simply afraid of the US taking a turn towards socialism/communism. That is what they risked their lives escaping from. You'll see the same thing happen with other immigrant populations from former communist countries. They learned their lesson through first hand experience.

This has very little to do with wanting to exploit their fellow countrymen back home. Cubans are good people.
 

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This is what I also have. Spread out the bets for security, if Biden wins 300-329/360+ EVs then it’s 2k profit, 330-359 about 12k, if Trump wins then about 1k loss.

Fortunately I’ve gone dry now and have to work for most of the day anyway, so at least this time I won’t have to nurse a hangover while working in the evening should the worst happens.
Can you talk through the bets you made there?
 

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Can you talk through the bets you made there?
You lost me, sir.

Edit: if I understand you correctly, here are the bets I made, but odds have changed since then, all in Biden EVs.

1k on 390+ at 7.00 (current 5.75)
500 on 360-389 at 10.00 (current 8.00)
2k on 330-359 at 7.00 (current 5.00)
1k on 300-329 at 11.00 (current 9.00)

then a security bet of 1.5k on Trump at 2.74, since it’s just impossible to predict what the margins will be in that scenario

there are also a few other punts at 50/100 each on Congressional races, popular vote margin etc...
 
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As in, I'd be interested to know what the bets you made were that left you with that exposure? Or is it as simple as you bet $500 on Biden winning 320-359 and $500 on Biden winning 360+?
Updated the previous post. I was actually off in predicting winnings with the 300-329 scenario, which wouldn’t be shabby at all.

All odds can be checked on TAB, the Australia/NZ gambling monopoly.
 

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Trump claims the only way joe biden can win is if the Scotus fail to act....the fascist is coming out to play
 

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Trump claims the only way joe biden can win is if the Scotus fail to act....the fascist is coming out to play
He’s already mad at Barr for not prosecuting the Hunter Biden story, so this would be par for the course.
 

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What are you polishing off?

I’m going to decant then bigger red wines I’ve chosen for that day on Monday night. Not worth waiting until Biden is declared the winner on Tuesday night / Wednesday morning as the wine won’t be ready to drink immediately upon opening.
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Updated the previous post. I was actually off in predicting winnings with the 300-329 scenario, which wouldn’t be shabby at all.

All odds can be checked on TAB, the Australia/NZ gambling monopoly.
Interesting, thanks for sharing. Will take a look at those and potentially follow your lead.
 

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Thats what I’ve seen also. I’ve heard Qanus horseshit has played well in the Columbian populace, but I doubt it would have been as strong as the Cuban lunacy.

It’s weird, I was very close to a few Cuban-Americans in college (dated a couple, one of my best friends to this day from college is Cuban), they were all first generation Americans, & they were all pretty liberal when we first met. To a person, they all developed their conservative stance later in life. This is not an uncommon occurrence as one typically gets older, to gain more conservative beliefs, but theirs were hardcore shifts due to parental influence & incessant right wing Cuban propaganda in SE Florida. Also to person, they’ve all admitted that they wish they held their liberal views of the past, but they didn’t want to let their families & their culture down by remaining liberal.

Somewhat anecdotal, but totally common down there.

What gets me is the apathy that Puerto Rican voters had in 2018 in voting in the state of Florida. I thought that group would be very keen to vote Democrat back then & even moreso now, they could offset the Cuban vote somewhat. But, it appears the apathy still exists in their ranks.
That's alien to me. I basically told my family to feck off with their right-wing bullshit and conspiracy crap. They all know to not stir the hornets nest IRT politics and religion when around me. It's sad to see people tow a line to not upset family/culture. We progress by bucking the trends.
 

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That's alien to me. I basically told my family to feck off with their right-wing bullshit and conspiracy crap. They all know to not stir the hornets nest IRT politics and religion when around me. It's sad to see people tow a line to not upset family/culture. We progress by bucking the trends.
Some cultures value the sense of community in a way Western individualism can’t comprehend. I have a few Pakistani friends who are all bright, pretty liberal, drink and party all day long but to a man accept arranged marriage with their cousins. Social ostracism is a powerful tool.
 

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If you're a betting man, this is your chance for some easy money. If the polls are to be trusted, anything but a Biden win would be an upset at this point.
The polls had clinton winning by a landslide last time too... even on election day.

Polls are BS.
 

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Some cultures value the sense of community in a way Western individualism can’t comprehend. I have a few Pakistani friends who are all bright, pretty liberal, drink and party all day long but to a man accept arranged marriage with their cousins. Social ostracism is a powerful tool.
I get that. But I'd also think with how loose Western culture is that many of these pockets in the US (possibly other countries) would eventually begin to break these ties that bind. I'm sure it has in some cultures but perhaps the SE Florida Cuban culture is still dominated with the adults that fled in the 70s/80s still influencing the generations below.
 

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Blue Wave? :nervous:
Trying not to get my hopes up on Texas but it's hard seeing these numbers and not think we're maybe underestimating how many former Trump voters or registered Republicans have flipped in the south. Either way a big turnout is always good news for Biden need the same in Georgia now.
 

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It annoys me that many on the right call the left the Radical Left by default. The media/left in the US should start calling them the Radical Right.
 

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Trying not to get my hopes up on Texas but it's hard seeing these numbers and not think we're maybe underestimating how many former Trump voters or registered Republicans have flipped in the south. Either way a big turnout is always good news for Biden need the same in Georgia now.
I think — tide turning — see, as I remember — I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of — it’s easy to see a tide turn — did I say those words?
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Tide is turning in Texas!
 

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@InfiniteBoredom You didn't short the dollar or hit up renewable energy? :eek::eek:

@Charlie Foley I'm not actually sure a good book exists on modeling turnout, especially for an event this unprecedented. It's somewhere between art and guesswork. My modeling factors have been the early polling data from 24 states, along with the early vote data in the last few elections, total turnout for those election, polls (specifically the question something like: "how do you intend to vote, or have you already voted"), and the curve of WHEN in the early voting cycle people tend to vote. This is probably why I was talking about it very early compared to the news. They don't want to be 'fake news' - I can just model in peace.

@sport2793 The latino vote is so weird man. We've talked about it before, but it's just so diverse. You can generalise the "white vote" "uneducated vote" "rural vote" "jewish vote" pretty nationally, but the Latino vote seems to work on a per state basis with their networks of info etc. I've been looking at the Texan latino vote this morning, and it's tough to get a read.
 

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It annoys me that many on the right call the left the Radical Left by default. The media/left in the US should start calling them the Radical Right.
It would be far closer to the truth, too. Calling Biden radical left is possibly the most ridiculous thing of all time.
 

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What are you polishing off?

I’m going to decant then bigger red wines I’ve chosen for that day on Monday night. Not worth waiting until Biden is declared the winner on Tuesday night / Wednesday morning as the wine won’t be ready to drink immediately upon opening.
A bottle of Amarula, which is apparently available in the US.
 

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The polls had clinton winning by a landslide last time too... even on election day.

Polls are BS.
That's a myth, you know that, right?

On November 4, 2016, four days before the election, the 538 polling aggregate had Clinton ahead by 2.7%. In the actual election, she got 2.1% more of the vote than Trump.
 

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Looks a bit wrong. Clinton didn't win 2016.
What I gather from it is that the final polling doesn't deviate that much from the final popular vote - and a 5+ popular vote for Biden should be ample to win him the EC right? Basically has to be down to 2.5 ish to be a toss up?
 

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Texas’s number for R is pretty remarkably consistent if you control for population increases and registration. Between 08/12/16, there’s a roughly 100k increase every cycle (W got more than McCain in 04 but he was incumbent + former governor), in 2018 if you extrapolate Cruz’s number on a typical presidential year turnout, he’d have gotten about 4.7m votes. So let’s say Trump’s floor is roughly 4.8m, Dems need somewhere in the region of 500k votes (assuming party crossovers maintain at about 10%), which I believe is becoming viable at about 64% turnout. Which we might well get to.

@owlo one form of gambling at a time is all I can handle:nervous:
 

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What I gather from it is that the final polling doesn't deviate that much from the final popular vote - and a 5+ popular vote for Biden should be ample to win him the EC right? Basically has to be down to 2.5 ish to be a toss up?
I think 538 did an article on this at one point. It's somewhere around 6-7 points where it becomes extremely unlikely Trump could win. If I recall correctly, at 5 he'd still have a 20% chance or so.
 
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