2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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This is one vile cnut
This has been his message, basically that America is only for conservatives. Just like how some of the most vile people I have known are “christians”, the party the worships the constitution is the one which will shred it to stay in power. Both groups should just vanish.
 

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Yes like he enjoys embracing purely republican ... values.
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This has been his message, basically that America is only for conservatives. Just like how some of the most vile people I have known are “christians”, the party the worships the constitution is the one which will shred it to stay in power. Both groups should just vanish.
Absolutely, fecking cnuts.
 

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This could have been prevented with a less anemic Dem ticket. Bernie/Warren and we wouldn’t even have this discussion. You would have to try really hard to run a worse campaign than Biden did.
Can we nominate this post of the year?
 

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What do you guys think of Robert Cahaly of The Trafalgar Group? He said Trump will be elected again due to undercounted votes.

This guy correctly predicted the results in 2016. Was it a fluke or does he have a point again this year?
Worth noting that at least some Trafalgar Group polling was done for partisan sponsors and released without indicating that was the case. Which is worth bearing in mind when their polls and CEO give a pro-Republican take at odds with other pollsters.
 

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Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango!
Nah, think his endgame is, he'll pardon himself and demand Biden let him out the country in return for a "peaceful transition."
He may resign and let Pence pardon him. That way he doesn't need to attend the inauguration, and Pence can pass all sorts of executive orders in the time he has to try and make the US a theocracy, positioning him as the Trump continuity candidate for 2024.
 

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I realize it’s a very debatable statement, which is why I put it in quotation marks:lol:
Off-tolic, but I've figured I can use (non-)OECD countries to get around this. Every other adjective (western, developed, etc) sounds either wrong or condescending, and this covers it pretty well.

And I also don't know of any other OECD country with this level of voter suppression. (I think Poland and Hungary are not yet at this level, and Turkey does a lot of detainment but not a lot of voter suppression, I think.)
how? like in bush v gore? that was only possible because the total electoral school votes were so close that one state was going to define who wins
Next tuesday the difference will be so big that the supreme court will be useless
Reps will try to make only the results of election day count. A lot of early votes will have to be counted after, so if Biden isn't winning by a landslide, then he might be behind on election day. In that case, the Reps might win it by getting the courts to simply toss millions of votes.
 

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During election night, what time around for Europeans will the race sort of be decided? Not officially, but practically? When I watched in 2016, the deciding hours were about 3-6am CET, same this year?
Or will it be totally different because of Covid and the whole election fraud debate and we won`t get results or official announcement for weeks with lawsuits and whatever?
 

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During election night, what time around for Europeans will the race sort of be decided? Not officially, but practically? When I watched in 2016, the deciding hours were about 3-6am CET, same this year?
Or will it be totally different because of Covid and the whole election fraud debate and we won`t get results or official announcement for weeks with lawsuits and whatever?
I wouldn't expect anything night of, probably mid afternoon on the 4th.

Some counties in PA don't count absentee til the 4th.

Only scenario we know anything is if Trump loses Florida by enough to call. If that's the case its over. But Florida isn't worh wasting hope on, sadly.
 

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https://www.axios.com/trump-claim-e...nic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter

President Trump has told confidants he'll declare victory on Tuesday night if it looks like he's "ahead," according to three sources familiar with his private comments.

  • That's even if the Electoral College outcome still hinges on large numbers of uncounted votes in key states like Pennsylvania.
Behind the scenes: Trump has privately talked through this scenario in some detail in the last few weeks, describing plans to walk up to a podium on election night and declare he has won.

  • For this to happen, his allies expect he would need to either win or have commanding leads in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, Iowa, Arizona and Georgia.
 

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It just absolutely baffles me that in a two-party race, where one party is encouraging every voter to go out and vote whilst the other is finding any possible way to throw out votes on the scale of hundreds of thousands, that anyone could possibly side with the latter and argue that the former is the anti-democracy party.
 

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Easy on. The reality is that if it was a better candidate against trump there’d be no contest.
Hard disagree. Trump's base and level of support has barely moved in 4 years of this insanity. Up or down. It just is, and continues to be.
Since he was nominated as the candidate, Biden's support has grown - which is actually kind of rare, especially when it's not at the expense of the incumbent.

Biden is holding together the progressives, appeasing the moderates and not scaring away the never-Trumpers. I didn't want him as the candidate but his team (and he himself) have done a great job at managing this particular duel.
 

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This could have been prevented with a less anemic Dem ticket. Bernie/Warren and we wouldn’t even have this discussion. You would have to try really hard to run a worse campaign than Biden did.
As Luke Skywalker said: everything you had just said is completely wrong.
 
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