Terror attack in Vienna??

[Solius]

How did this go from people claiming 6 simultaneous attacks to one bloke?

 

[utdalltheway]

How did this go from people claiming 6 simultaneous attacks to one bloke?

Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable. Couple that with the natural confusion amongst the authorities. Then the media get a sniff of early info then it’s off to races.

That’s why I prefer to let things settle down before jumping into the arguments and the speculation.

 

[VeevaVee]

Surely they'd have known sooner though, with all the cctv?

Anyway, glad he's dead.

 

[Sky1981]

Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable. Couple that with the natural confusion amongst the authorities. Then the media get a sniff of early info then it’s off to races.

That’s why I prefer to let things settle down before jumping into the arguments and the speculation.

The media are pretty much a cnut for clicks. The mainstream media wasnt so bad but what's circulating on whatsapp group and private forums will make goebbel looks like an amateur.

I happened to stumble the snippets of what they're showing on the local extremeist whatsapp. Scarry stuff

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

What happened to those 4 people pictured outside a shop called Wagner. Shirts were off but they had their hands up

 

[Cheimoon]

So it's definitive now that there was only one attacker? If I understand things correctly, the police have been looking for those other attackers all night and part of the day, right? These situations must be so hard to manage for them! Glad there isn't still a lone nutter out there though. And somehow there having been just one attacker makes this feel smaller to me, less organized. (Even though it doesn't save any of the people that died, obviously... And all those lone wolfs all of a sudden is also pretty scary...)

To be fair, he also has a Geert Wilders tagline now. Which begs the question, is he Dutch?

I seem to remember so from discussions in the time of LvG. (Yes, I've been a dedicated lurker here.)

 

[Zlatattack]

What a nob

I blame the govt. Why did they let this retard out of prison after a year? He was trying to join isis and got caught.

 

[Zlatan 7]

I blame the govt. Why did they let this retard out of prison after a year? He was trying to join isis and got caught.

I blame the nobs posing and running around with guns

 

[Gehrman]

Not totally clued up on this, but didnt sadam kill millions? Something like that shouldn't go unpunished

Saddam was one of the worst dictators of his time and I think the majority of the poulation wanted to be free of him, but it was still a massive feck up as it feed into the imperalist west narrative and the remaining employees of his regime joined with the insurgents.

 

[arnie_ni]

Saddam was one of the worst dictators of his time and I think the majority of the poulation wanted to be free of him, but it was still a massive feck up as it feed into the imperalist west narrative and the remaining employees of his regime joined with the insurgents.

Yea you got there before my delete. Just did a quick google search.

But my point still kind of stands, you (as in usa or uk) couldnt just not doing anything about him.

I wonder how those countries and the world as a whole would like if we just said feck it. Dont get involved, let them govern themselves etc, which would subsequently mean zero refugees.

Would they be better or worse for it?

 

[Gehrman]

Yea you got there before my delete. Just did a quick google search.

But my point still kind of stands, you (as in usa or uk) couldnt just not doing anything about him.

I wonder how those countries and the world as a whole would like if we just said feck it. Dont get involved, let them govern themselves etc, which would subsequently mean zero refugees.

Would they be better or worse for it?

Most of the refugee's in my country were already Kurds fleeing from Saddam and dictators like him before the Iraq War. Intervention for the US is a bit damned if you do and damned if you don't. If the US do intervene, loads will come out saying this "This is the imperialist US again". And if they don't intervene they say "Look. This is just proof that the US and west don't care about people getting killed by brutal regimes".

 

[Zlatattack]

I blame the nobs posing and running around with guns

Well yeah, but why would anyone in their right mind let them out of prison after less than a year?! Intelligence agencies have a track record of using useful idiots.

I'll give you an example of someone i know. A guy from Derby tried to join ISIS in 2017. He got 5 years in prison and was out in less than 3. Why? Why are people like that let out of prison early? I used to go to his cousins barber shop, where he was an apprentice. He was thick - only ever talked about football, smoked weed, listened to rap, had a fake gold tooth - his fellow druggy types used to come into the shop and take the mick out of him whilst he was working.

Randomly this guy ups and joins ISIS. He maxes out some credit cards for cash, books a flight to Turkey and rings his family from the airport to say goodbye. They reported him and he was on the next flight back from Turkey straight to jail. Everyone who knew him was shocked. How did that donkey end up joining isis? What's more shocking is - he's out in less than 3 years. He's probably still a danger to us all.

Has anyone identified how he was radicalised? How was he de-radicalised? How did someone make the assumption that he wasn't just saying all the right things to get out of prison? I don't trust the decision making process involved. It's a pattern. losers getting suddenly radicalised, get caught, do a very short stint in prison, get out early, go on to do a violent crime domestically. The London Bridge attackers were "known to the police" as well. They all had done prison time for terrorism. Why are these people let out? I get they don't check your religious or political identity before shooting/stabbing/bombing you.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Dudes, the west doesn't actually intervene for humanitarian reasons. It's just a nice bit of cover for taking resources by force.

 

[Gehrman]

Dudes, the west doesn't actually intervene for humanitarian reasons. It's just a nice bit of cover for taking resources by force.

The intervention in the Kosovo conflict was one of those cases where it were for humanitarian reasons preceeded by the yugoslavia war.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Well yeah, but why would anyone in their right mind let them out of prison after less than a year?! Intelligence agencies have a track record of using useful idiots.

I'll give you an example of someone i know. A guy from Derby tried to join ISIS in 2017. He got 5 years in prison and was out in less than 3. Why? Why are people like that let out of prison early? I used to go to his cousins barber shop, where he was an apprentice. He was thick - only ever talked about football, smoked weed, listened to rap, had a fake gold tooth - his fellow druggy types used to come into the shop and take the mick out of him whilst he was working.

Randomly this guy ups and joins ISIS. He maxes out some credit cards for cash, books a flight to Turkey and rings his family from the airport to say goodbye. They reported him and he was on the next flight back from Turkey straight to jail. Everyone who knew him was shocked. How did that donkey end up joining isis? What's more shocking is - he's out in less than 3 years. He's probably still a danger to us all.

Has anyone identified how he was radicalised? How was he de-radicalised? How did someone make the assumption that he wasn't just saying all the right things to get out of prison? I don't trust the decision making process involved. It's a pattern. losers getting suddenly radicalised, get caught, do a very short stint in prison, get out early, go on to do a violent crime domestically. The London Bridge attackers were "known to the police" as well. They all had done prison time for terrorism. Why are these people let out? I get they don't check your religious or political identity before shooting/stabbing/bombing you.

Not to mention that time spent in prison is a good chance to meet like minded souls (and/or vicious Islamophobes) and double down on the radicalisation that got him locked up in the first place. So what’s the solution? Don’t send these guys to prison? Try to rehabilitate them in the community? You certainly can’t lock them away indefinitely.

 

[Zlatattack]

Not to mention that time spent in prison is a good chance to meet like minded souls (and/or vicious Islamophobes) and double down on the radicalisation that got him locked up in the first place. So what’s the solution? Don’t send these guys to prison? Try to rehabilitate them in the community? You certainly can’t lock them away indefinitely.

I think you need specialist prisons for them, seperate them from different types of extremists, focused time on de-radicalisation and frankly if they're not rehabilitated - keep them locked up. Or maybe deport them to somewhere remote. There must be a rock in the middle of the ocean somewhere we could send these guys and leave them there. It's cruel, but it's better than the alternative.

 

[VeevaVee]

I think you need specialist prisons for them, seperate them from different types of extremists, focused time on de-radicalisation and frankly if they're not rehabilitated - keep them locked up. Or maybe deport them to somewhere remote. There must be a rock in the middle of the ocean somewhere we could send these guys and leave them there. It's cruel, but it's better than the alternative.

Surely specialist prisons makes it even worse? If there's one person that doesn't respond to the deradicalisation they'd all be in danger of being worse when they get out.

Fine with the rock idea. They can't be trusted to rehabilitate. You show interest wth hard evidence, game over, enjoy the rock dickheads.

 

[Gehrman]

Personally I feel if someone has sworned allegiance to islamic state and tried to join them I am fine with them being locked up in some remote Island the rest of their life.

 

[africanspur]

I think you need specialist prisons for them, seperate them from different types of extremists, focused time on de-radicalisation and frankly if they're not rehabilitated - keep them locked up. Or maybe deport them to somewhere remote. There must be a rock in the middle of the ocean somewhere we could send these guys and leave them there. It's cruel, but it's better than the alternative.

You mean keep them all in a prison together? Isn't that just a recipe for radicalising them even more?

I think Western countries would find it very difficult to put people away for life, especially for instances like you've outlined above, where the man hasn't even arrived in ISIS territory, let alone actually done anything concrete yet.

This may be a slightly controversial thing to say on here but I also think such an idea would be a lightning rod of criticism for many Western Muslims and Muslims around the world, in much the same way Guantanamo was and is.

 

[Synco]

You mean keep them all in a prison together? Isn't that just a recipe for radicalising them even more?

I think Western countries would find it very difficult to put people away for life, especially for instances like you've outlined above, where the man hasn't even arrived in ISIS territory, let alone actually done anything concrete yet.

This may be a slightly controversial thing to say on here but I also think such an idea would be a lightning rod of criticism for many Western Muslims and Muslims around the world, in much the same way Guantanamo was and is.

Guantanamo was the first thing that popped into my mind too.

And as you said, it's max punishing people not for what they did, but for what they could be doing.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

The intervention in the Kosovo conflict was one of those cases where it were for humanitarian reasons preceeded by the yugoslavia war.

Evidently the success and even the intent of that intervention is being challenged today. Anyway, this is one example and is a statistical outlier.

 

[VeevaVee]

Guantanamo was the first thing that popped into my mind too.

And as you said, it's max punishing people not for what they did, but for what they could be doing.

Guantanamo was seriously fecked up because they put people in on a whim. Personally couldn’t give a shit if anyone ended up there who is actually part of IS, whether they committed an attack or not, and I’d be happy for them to be there for the rest of their life too.

You don’t get to be part of something like that then change your mind, for me.

 

[Zlatattack]

You mean keep them all in a prison together? Isn't that just a recipe for radicalising them even more?

I think Western countries would find it very difficult to put people away for life, especially for instances like you've outlined above, where the man hasn't even arrived in ISIS territory, let alone actually done anything concrete yet.

This may be a slightly controversial thing to say on here but I also think such an idea would be a lightning rod of criticism for many Western Muslims and Muslims around the world, in much the same way Guantanamo was and is.

Guantanamo was the first thing that popped into my mind too.

And as you said, it's max punishing people not for what they did, but for what they could be doing.

Guantanamo was seriously fecked up because they put people in on a whim. Personally couldn’t give a shit if anyone ended up there who is actually part of IS, whether they committed an attack or not, and I’d be happy for them to be there for the rest of their life too.

You don’t get to be part of something like that then change your mind, for me.

I don't have the answer about prisons, but my island idea is less a prison, more of an island where they can live freely, thousands of miles from any other civilisation. No airports, no boats, just them and the wildlife. If anyone wants to adopt a terrorist wannabe, they're free to go collect one.

Somewhere like this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_of_the_Seven_Seas it's miles from anywhere.


Edinburgh of the Seven Seas is the main settlement of the island of Tristan da Cunha, in Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, an overseas territory of the United Kingdom, in the South Atlantic Ocean. Locally, it is referred to as The Settlement or The Village.[1] Edinburgh of the Seven Seas is regarded as the most remote permanent settlement on Earth, being 2,173 kilometres (1,350 mi)[2] from the nearest other human settlement, on Saint Helena.

ideal in my opinion. Also just for lolz - no women. They could go on a seperate island.

I'm a muslim and i don't think it's unfair. If you join isis and wage war on where you live, and then don't change your mind properly when in prison - it's best we all part ways. Off to the caliphate in the middle of the atlantic you go.

 

[VeevaVee]

I don't have the answer about prisons, but my island idea is less a prison, more of an island where they can live freely, thousands of miles from any other civilisation. No airports, no boats, just them and the wildlife. If anyone wants to adopt a terrorist wannabe, they're free to go collect one.

Somewhere like this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_of_the_Seven_Seas it's miles from anywhere.


Edinburgh of the Seven Seas is the main settlement of the island of Tristan da Cunha, in Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, an overseas territory of the United Kingdom, in the South Atlantic Ocean. Locally, it is referred to as The Settlement or The Village.[1] Edinburgh of the Seven Seas is regarded as the most remote permanent settlement on Earth, being 2,173 kilometres (1,350 mi)[2] from the nearest other human settlement, on Saint Helena.

ideal in my opinion. Also just for lolz - no women. They could go on a seperate island.

I'm a muslim and i don't think it's unfair. If you join isis and wage war on where you live, and then don't change your mind properly when in prison - it's best we all part ways. Off to the caliphate in the middle of the atlantic you go.

I think it's a fine plan!

 

[utdalltheway]

they could form their own IS there on that tiny island. perfect.

 

[Synco]

Guantanamo was seriously fecked up because they put people in on a whim. Personally couldn’t give a shit if anyone ended up there who is actually part of IS, whether they committed an attack or not, and I’d be happy for them to be there for the rest of their life too.

You don’t get to be part of something like that then change your mind, for me.

Oh, I don't have any illusions about the popularity of "solutions" like that, including in larger parts of the Western public. Only if it picks out the correct 'enemies of the people', of course. A lot of people will get very upset if, for example, their neo-Nazi niece would be banned to a prison island for life.

In general: If whatever passes for liberal law and order in the West will be brought down, it will be brought down in the name of law and order. Just like it used to be in the past, just like it currently happens in the US and elsewhere.

I don't have the answer about prisons, but my island idea is less a prison, more of an island where they can live freely, thousands of miles from any other civilisation. No airports, no boats, just them and the wildlife. If anyone wants to adopt a terrorist wannabe, they're free to go collect one.

Somewhere like this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_of_the_Seven_Seas it's miles from anywhere.


Edinburgh of the Seven Seas is the main settlement of the island of Tristan da Cunha, in Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, an overseas territory of the United Kingdom, in the South Atlantic Ocean. Locally, it is referred to as The Settlement or The Village.[1] Edinburgh of the Seven Seas is regarded as the most remote permanent settlement on Earth, being 2,173 kilometres (1,350 mi)[2] from the nearest other human settlement, on Saint Helena.

ideal in my opinion. Also just for lolz - no women. They could go on a seperate island.

I'm a muslim and i don't think it's unfair. If you join isis and wage war on where you live, and then don't change your mind properly when in prison - it's best we all part ways. Off to the caliphate in the middle of the atlantic you go.

I find that idea utterly bizarre, but even when taken seriously, the realistic result could only be a prison island. Addressing even the most basic needs of the incarcerated would require a maximum security system. Dying from a tooth infection is not 'living freely'.

 

[VeevaVee]

Oh, I don't have any illusions about the popularity of "solutions" like that, including in larger parts of the Western public. Only if it picks out the correct 'enemies of the people', of course. A lot of people will get very upset if, for example, their neo-Nazi niece would be banned to a prison island for life.

If they’re part of a neo-nazi terrorist organisation, they can enjoy the island too.

 

[Synco]

If they’re part of a neo-nazi terrorist organisation, they can enjoy the island too.

If you want to push through the project of prison islands & mandatory minimums of life sentences, you'd need the support of the right wing. So Muslims only, I'm afraid.

 

[Godfather]

Major feck up from our authorities. The guy tried to buy ammo in Slovakia, and Slovakian authorities informed ours about it. Nothing had been done about it.

 

[VeevaVee]

If you want to push through the project of prison islands & mandatory minimums of life sentences, you'd need the support of the right wing. So Muslims only, I'm afraid.

In the alternate reality where this is a serious suggestion, that's also not the case.

 

[Synco]

In the alternate reality where this is a serious suggestion, that's also not the case.

Well, that's a relief.

 

[VeevaVee]

Well, that's a relief.

I've decided pet theives also go there.

 

[Synco]

I've decided pet theives also go there.

Agree, no one more deserving.

 

[VeevaVee]

Agree, no one more deserving.

Would make a hell of a reality show

 

[Adisa]

Why does the title have a question mark?

 

[hobbers]

Could you not force terrorist-attack planners, ISIS, neo-nazis and pet thieves all into a battle royale on this Island? The survivor gets his or her freedom.

Alternatively set it up as a sort of survival reality show, and see which groups band together to survive. Would get great ratings.

 

[VeevaVee]

Could you not force terrorist-attack planners, ISIS, neo-nazis and pet thieves all into a battle royale on this Island? The survivor gets his or her freedom.

Alternatively set it up as a sort of survival reality show, and see which groups band together to survive. Would get great ratings.

The survivors could win a chance at rehabilitation. That’s how they prove they want it.

The rehabilitation however happens on the way to Mars. If by the time they get there they show themselves to have changed, they get to form part of the Mars colonisation reality show.

If not it redirects towards the sun.

 

[calodo2003]

Saddam was one of the worst dictators of his time and I think the majority of the poulation wanted to be free of him, but it was still a massive feck up as it feed into the imperalist west narrative and the remaining employees of his regime joined with the insurgents.

This. Iraq just didn’t need to happen. Woefully unprepared for the endgame, no reason to waste millions of lives & over a trillion dollars on its invasion.

 

[calodo2003]

I think you need specialist prisons for them, seperate them from different types of extremists, focused time on de-radicalisation and frankly if they're not rehabilitated - keep them locked up. Or maybe deport them to somewhere remote. There must be a rock in the middle of the ocean somewhere we could send these guys and leave them there. It's cruel, but it's better than the alternative.

Didn’t we already try this?

A Guantanamo through a much better plan would be fine by me. Include all religious extremists no matter from where in the world; you kill or maim under the name of your religion, welcome home.

 

[Zlatattack]

Didn’t we already try this?

A Guantanamo through a much better plan would be fine by me. Include all religious extremists no matter from where in the world; you kill or maim under the name of your religion, welcome home.

Do you mean Australia?