2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Trump was able to fire up his entire base more than any republican could and yet the "worst candidate in history" was able to kick his ass without even doing in person rallies which are so vital in getting out the vote
 

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The only mentions online are from about a year ago when people were questioning his cognitive ability.

It says he revealed he had a speech disorder that he’s been battling all his life. Surely it would be common knowledge that someone who’s been in public life for decades had such a speech disorder.

It’s clearly a ruse to try and deflect from his cognitive decline.
Here's an article that mentions it from 2008 - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5467576&page=1
 

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and this is why i reject the idea that usa is center right. they are much more left than they get credit for. The Minority right wingers just get so much power becuase of geography
Partly true, but economically speaking, the Democratic Party's mainstream is pretty much centre-right. The idea of universal healthcare, free higher education (yes I know it's not "free" but tax-funded before some American Republican descends on me from Mount Capitalism with hellfire) are still considered radical, left-wing proposals even among the Democrats. The US is also a lot more religious than just about any other first world country.

The "blue left" is probably even more socially progressive than the average European though, that much is true - but probably not particularly representative of the overall American population.
 

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Does anyone know estimate of Trump leaning voters who didn't vote at all because Trump was so vocal against postal votes.
Eg people listened to him by not posting votes, but then couldn't be arsed to show up and queue on election day?

May that have single handedly lost him these final deciding states?
 

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What's the alternative to retraining people who are out of jobs?
Providing enough social security so that people can find something else instead of throwing an easy cop out answer which people perceive the "learn to code" phrase to be.
 

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Does anyone know estimate of Trump leaning voters who didn't vote at all because Trump was so vocal against postal votes.
Eg people listened to him by not posting votes, but then couldn't be arsed to show up and queue on election day?

May that have single handedly lost him these final deceasing states?
There's also all the poor people who died from Corona before election day.

How many of them were Trump supporters who didn't take it seriously because of things he said or weren't protected due to his lack of action?
 

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Sorry. I don' see any that would qualify him as ignorant. Not wanting sex and murder beamed into his kids' bedrooms?



Why's that being framed as an either/or. 'Trump voters' aren't a giant homogenous block. (Kind of like how Hispanics didn't turn out to be) Some of 'em see that Biden's not for the working guy. Some of 'em believe he's a commie bastard.



I'm starting to think you're surrounded by people who think this way and only discuss an issue on/around that level. Don' forget, you asked specifically about people I knew.

Sure, the general bulk of the median-intelligence-and-lower Trump voter might tend towards what you're describing. But again, these voters are not a giant hive-mind. This is an issue that people who've gone to Yale law could debate until the cows come home. There are plenty of smart 'trump supporters' who have their own reasons for being anti-abortion aside from the ones you've mentioned.



You know your arbitrary checklist doesn't cover all aspects of human behavior, right? Also I didn't make an argument. I asked whether you know 'conservatives' who still live 'the old way'. (Apologies; I'm assuming you know what I'm referring to there.) Go to church. Work hard. Need help? Just ask. Did you say something hurtful to that person? Bring my belt.



1. That's your framing and opinion. It's true for perhaps the bottom of the intelligence totem, (btw, these folks never asked to be born 'dumb')
2. Again, the rest of the majority know he's 'un-Christian'. A lot of those people are voting 'against the other guy' in spite of all that shit and how slimy it makes them feel.

Also the religion angle is s bit moot. If one goes by 'the words of Jesus himself', there are close to no true Christians in the world, let alone in the US.



I'd argue it's virtually impossible now. There's a whole generation of kids now born into a snipe culture. But that's also why the older generation/leaders have to start now. That stuff plays into the the hands of the power-brokers.



It's tough but it's important for us on the other side to remember these are deeply wounded people. Half the reason the neo-cons/Trump can get their hooks into them so easily is because they've been 'losing' for the past thirty-forty years and now the other side is so derisive of them. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that's going to see even the most conservative of them - conservative as in the real definition - not exactly minding the hardliners taking a stand.



I hope one day you come across a pickup truck driven by a man with a huge beard and a sleeveless flannel shirt who can barely hold a normal conversation... and who turns out to hate him.
Hehe, somehow, I doubt that where I'm from. I share your hope though :D
 

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Partly true, but economically speaking, the Democratic Party's mainstream is pretty much centre-right. The idea of universal healthcare, free higher education (yes I know it's not "free" but tax-funded before some American Republican descends on me from Mount Capitalism with hellfire) are still considered radical, left-wing proposals even among the Democrats. The US is also a lot more religious than just about any other first world country.

The "blue left" is probably even more socially progressive than the average European though, that much is true - but probably not particularly representative of the overall American population.

Polling seems to show other wise. The reason why dems find it hard to push these agendas is because of the system of government they have ion place that makes 500k people n the 2 dakotas have more say in the senate than 50 million living in california. The problem is there system of government and where people live. if you actually poll the country on a whole they want all the things that you just mentioned . But when places like PA are gerrymandered to the hilt Ds have to run moderate candidates to get elected in the congress. Its not that there arent an overwhelming amount of people that want policies that are to the left. its that they all live in the same place and therefore are under represented in government . Thats my opinion anyway from the outside looking in
 

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Well, he is only the 4th US President ever to be impeached. And only the 11th president to be kicked out before a 2nd term.

And he is the only president to have been both impeached and kicked out after one term. History will record that as a unique rejection, leaving his legacy in the toilet.
i suppose, but 70 million people viewed the previous 4 years, and thought yes more of that please
 

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Polling seems to show other wise. The reason why dems find it hard to push these agendas is because of the system of government they have ion place that makes 500k people n the 2 dakotas have more say in the senate than 50 million living in california. The problem is there system of government and where people live. if you actually poll the country on a whole they want all the things that you just mentioned . But when places like PA are gerrymandered to the hilt Ds have to run moderate candidates to get elected in the congress. Its not that there arent an overwhelming amount of people that want policies that are to the left. its that they all live in the same place and therefore are under represented in government . Thats my opinion anyway from the outside looking in
Yeah, you make a fair point there. I meant that those things are considered radical within the party - but a lot of that is down to what you say. Universal healthcare, for example, does have majority support among Americans.
 

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I’m not the most political person, but I have a bet on Biden. Realistically how long is it going to take before I get paid?
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The only mentions online are from about a year ago when people were questioning his cognitive ability.

It says he revealed he had a speech disorder that he’s been battling all his life. Surely it would be common knowledge that someone who’s been in public life for decades had such a speech disorder.

It’s clearly a ruse to try and deflect from his cognitive decline.
Cognitive dissonance isn’t a good look
 

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I’m not the most political person, but I have a bet on Biden. Realistically how long is it going to take before I get paid?
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That depends on the betting company, doesn't it? When do they decide to pay out?

I'm sure you'll get your money on Inauguration Day at the latest ;)
 
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Trump, 2016, when some people were pushing Hilary to ask for recounts in tight results

"The people have spoken and the election is over, and as Hillary Clinton herself said on election night ..... 'we must accept this result and then look to the future,'" Trump said in a statement, which called the recount 'ridiculous' in a headline.

(not exact like for like situations I grant you).
 

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Yeah, you make a fair point there. I meant that those things are considered radical within the party - but a lot of that is down to what you say. Universal healthcare, for example, does have majority support among Americans.
yes the party is for sure not center left but thats becuase they feel thats the only way they can successfully mount an ability to govern in the current system. But if you actually look at USA in its entirety , they are left of center.

for instance... 70% of the USA doesnt own a gun . the 30 percent are just extremely vocal about owning them and own alot of them so it makes it seem like every man woman and child has one. things like that make them seem what they are not as a whole
 

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Trump was able to fire up his entire base more than any republican could and yet the "worst candidate in history" was able to kick his ass without even doing in person rallies which are so vital in getting out the vote
Also the Republicans did tonnes of door knocking and canvassing - the Dems didn't due to COVID. It would be interesting to see what the results would be if the ground games were the same or similar.
 

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I’m not the most political person, but I have a bet on Biden. Realistically how long is it going to take before I get paid?
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Depends were you bet but most betting places said in their rules something along the lines of "court cases don't matter, they settle it as soon as reasonably possible" so not much longer than when media announces who won. I'd be surprised if it goes beyond next week.
 

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That depends on the betting company, doesn't it? When do they decide to pay out?

I'm sure you'll get your money on Inauguration Day at the latest ;)
Im set to win £55, they are currently offering a £46 cash out. I know £9 isn’t much but I still want it.
 

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Also the Republicans did tonnes of door knocking and canvassing - the Dems didn't due to COVID. It would be interesting to see what the results would be if the ground games were the same or similar.
thats also a fair point. door knocking is absolutely vital to turn out. Dems ran this campaign with one hand tied behind their back
 
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