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Jerch said:
Well majority of Trump voters are much better at understanding those who support other party than people like you. Who in reality is bigot and closeminded when you take this in consideration?

Back to the new wars in ME which will result in deaths of thousands innocent people, more terrorist attacks because war create hate and new waves of refugees. And don't forget that Clinton's need new island and a guy with the jet. Go Bidden I guess or better said go people behind him.
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:lol: Are they? I'd very much like to hear a solid argument for that statement

That second paragraph sounds like something Alex Jones would say. You do know it was Bush who started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan right? And he started those wars under false pretenses.
 

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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10/how-qanon-and-trumpism-have-infected-the-catholic-church
Deep State, Deep Church: How QAnon and Trumpism Have Infected the Catholic Church
Catholicism’s increasingly powerful political right reflects fringe America, fueled by paranoia, conspiracy, racism, and the threat of apocalypse.
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This isnt new. Mosqur and madrassah have been used extensively by the radical to spread radicalism.

You only need to attend one of the cermon to know how twisted and deranged their views are, it's not even a secret when popular christian figures have shown their true colors on their social media.

At this stage it's the emperor new clothes. Those that cant see that he's naked probably wont ever see it
 

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Eyepopper said:
The sweet irony of this whole thing, considering how close it's going to be, and the massive advantage Biden is gaining from early and postal votes, is that if Trump hadn't spent months pushing the mail in fraud narrative, discouraging Republicans from mail in voting he'd probably have won hands down.
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Ummm no. The sequence would have been different in terms of leading and coming from behind. Cuz ultimately all votes will be counted whether in person or mail. Unless you think a significant portion of Republicans just didn't vote because they didn't want to vote in person and didn't mail in their ballots which I would find hard to believe
 

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mav_9me said:
Ummm no. The sequence would have been different in terms of leading and coming from behind. Cuz ultimately all votes will be counted whether in person or mail. Unless you think a significant portion of Republicans just didn't vote because they didn't want to vote in person and didn't mail in their ballots which I would find hard to believe
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Eithet way. Consideing how close it went (i know eventually it's 306 for biden but actual vote per states are much closer) it's probably safe to say that if he just acted less of a cnuts he'd bound to have a few more thousands votes.

The one where he's being nasty towards mcain and him losing Arizona.

But i have a believe that you need the mandate of heaven to become potus. His time's just up.
 

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I'd like to offer my sympathies to all the neutrals in this thread, it's being a rough few days for neutrality, hang on in there!
 

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Eyepopper said:
The sweet irony of this whole thing, considering how close it's going to be, and the massive advantage Biden is gaining from early and postal votes, is that if Trump hadn't spent months pushing the mail in fraud narrative, discouraging Republicans from mail in voting he'd probably have won hands down.
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That doesn't really make sense though. It's not like a lot of Republicans haven't voted at all because Trump discouraged mail voting. They just voted in person.
 

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mav_9me said:
Ummm no. The sequence would have been different in terms of leading and coming from behind. Cuz ultimately all votes will be counted whether in person or mail. Unless you think a significant portion of Republicans just didn't vote because they didn't want to vote in person and didn't mail in their ballots which I would find hard to believe
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That doesn't really make sense though. It's not like a lot of Republicans haven't voted at all because Trump discouraged mail voting. They just voted in person.
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I think a significant number of Dems voted early/by mail, who otherwise may not have voted. Record turnout, I think was, at least in part, due to dems being reminded daily to vote by mail listening to Trump telling everyone not to.
 

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Bobcat said:
:lol: Are they? I'd very much like to hear a solid argument for that statement

That second paragraph sounds like something Alex Jones would say. You do know it was Bush who started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan right? And he started those wars under false pretenses.
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My English is not the best so I have hard time converting my thoughts into words but I will try.

Trump is rare case of politician (tbf he is not a politician and never will be) where his words are worse than his actions. With most politicians is the other way around. And I can see why he is doing it. It's a populistic way to engage his voters knowingly that no matter what he says democratic voters won't jump on his side. His tactic backfired because with those talks he engaged democratic voter to go and vote against him (and mostly not for Biden).

TBF i hate that populistic approach but I understand why he is using it and it is getting more and more popular with right wingers all around the world. In my opinion that approach just make bigger gap between one side and the other side which is not the world i want to live in. We all should take each other opinions in consideration and try to find a middle path but I guess that middle path is becoming more and more utopian across the world. And post like the one I replied to you is example of opinion of the left voters which just show that middle path is not possible and it saddens me to see opinions like this. And it backfires just like Trump speeches because it just engages republicans to go and vote. Voting against and not for should never happen but is happening in big number across the world.

In perfect world not Trump and not Biden should be a president of the most influential county in the world. If this is the best what the most influential country in the world can offer it is really sad tbf.
 

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Jerch said:
My English is not the best so I have hard time converting my thoughts into words but I will try.

Trump is rare case of politician (tbf he is not a politician and never will be) where his words are worse than his actions. With most politicians is the other way around. And I can see why he is doing it. It's a populistic way to engage his voters knowingly that no matter what he says democratic voters won't jump on his side. His tactic backfired because with those talks he engaged democratic voter to go and vote against him (and mostly not for Biden).

TBF i hate that populistic approach but I understand why he is using it and it is getting more and more popular with right wingers all around the world. In my opinion that approach just make bigger gap between one side and the other side which is not the world i want to live in. We all should take each other opinions in consideration and try to find a middle path but I guess that middle path is becoming more and more utopian across the world. And post like the one I replied to you is example of opinion of the left voters which just show that middle path is not possible and it saddens me to see opinions like this. And it backfires just like Trump speeches because it just engages republicans to go and vote. Voting against and not for should never happen but is happening in big number across the world.

In perfect world not Trump and not Biden should be a president of the most influential county in the world. If this is the best what the most influential country in the world can offer it is really sad tbf.
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Trump supporters are as close minded as they come mate. Yeah, all politicians like, but unless you live in a total banana republic, most of them actually want to do some good in the world?

What does Trump want? He wants to have his arse kissed and wants to implement policies that benefit him. The Covid response is a perfect example. He knew it was an incredibly deadly virus and he also knew that doing a full lockdown like we had in Europe would hurt the economy, which at that point was his big "success story" as President.

What did he do? He willfully sacrificed the lives of tens of thousands of his citizens by downplaying it and just fecking around for months, because going with the other option would hurt the economy and thus his reelection stances. Spoiler alert, it hurt the economy anyway, so not only was it callous, it was incredibly daft as well.

And its perfectly possible to be right wing/conservative without buying into Trumps insanity
 

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Jerch said:
My English is not the best so I have hard time converting my thoughts into words but I will try.

Trump is rare case of politician (tbf he is not a politician and never will be) where his words are worse than his actions. With most politicians is the other way around. And I can see why he is doing it. It's a populistic way to engage his voters knowingly that no matter what he says democratic voters won't jump on his side. His tactic backfired because with those talks he engaged democratic voter to go and vote against him (and mostly not for Biden).

TBF i hate that populistic approach but I understand why he is using it and it is getting more and more popular with right wingers all around the world. In my opinion that approach just make bigger gap between one side and the other side which is not the world i want to live in. We all should take each other opinions in consideration and try to find a middle path but I guess that middle path is becoming more and more utopian across the world. And post like the one I replied to you is example of opinion of the left voters which just show that middle path is not possible and it saddens me to see opinions like this. And it backfires just like Trump speeches because it just engages republicans to go and vote. Voting against and not for should never happen but is happening in big number across the world.

In perfect world not Trump and not Biden should be a president of the most influential county in the world. If this is the best what the most influential country in the world can offer it is really sad tbf.
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The problem with taking each other's opinions into consideration is that one half of these opinions include things such as:

A) Climate change isn't real, isn't a problem and the planet isn't in danger

B) Racism isn't an actual problem in modern society and it's being blown out of proportion. White people are actually the ones being discriminated against.

C) If you're poor then it's your own fault, and you don't deserve basic human essentials because you're lazy.

D) Women shouldn't have any say over their own reproductive rights.

Exactly what middle ground can be found with opinions like those?
 

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Cloud7 said:
The problem with taking each other's opinions into consideration is that one half of these opinions include things such as:

A) Climate change isn't real, isn't a problem and the planet isn't in danger

B) Racism isn't an actual problem in modern society and it's being blown out of proportion. White people are actually the ones being discriminated against.

C) If you're poor then it's your own fault, and you don't deserve basic human essentials because you're lazy.

D) Women shouldn't have any say over their own reproductive rights.

Exactly what middle ground can be found with opinions like those?
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Exactly. You can also invoke the good old adage "You are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts"...
 

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Cloud7 said:
The problem with taking each other's opinions into consideration is that one half of these opinions include things such as:

A) Climate change isn't real, isn't a problem and the planet isn't in danger

B) Racism isn't an actual problem in modern society and it's being blown out of proportion. White people are actually the ones being discriminated against.

C) If you're poor then it's your own fault, and you don't deserve basic human essentials because you're lazy.

D) Women shouldn't have any say over their own reproductive rights.

Exactly what middle ground can be found with opinions like those?
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If you don’t accept those views you’re a bigot. Because logic.
 

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I think I’ve mentioned it before, but with how partisan American politics have become, and the fact that there are around 360 million of them, they really need to abolish the two-party system.
It won’t happen, of course, as neither party would benefit from it.
 

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I'd like to offer my sympathies to all the neutrals in this thread, it's being a rough few days for neutrality, hang on in there!
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Neutral in the face of neo-fascism?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke, albeit using the male-orientated language of his time.
 

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Ha ha, Meadows gets the lurgy. Couldn't think of anybody more deserving, considering his past attitude and behaviour.
 

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Serious question. Just how much chaos can Trump realistically cause between now and January? He doesn't seem like the type that will just sit quietly until January. Feels more like he would want to go down swinging in some way.
 

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Cloud7 said:
Serious question. Just how much chaos can Trump realistically cause between now and January? He doesn't seem like the type that will just sit quietly until January. Feels more like he would want to go down swinging in some way.
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Trash the country as much as possible and then catch the last chopper out of DC
 

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Cloud7 said:
Serious question. Just how much chaos can Trump realistically cause between now and January? He doesn't seem like the type that will just sit quietly until January. Feels more like he would want to go down swinging in some way.
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I think his opportunities to do so are thankfully limited, as the results are close but clear enough all the same. It kind of seems like most americans (or at least the news media) are over his bullshit and ignoring him a bit too. Really don't think theres any meaningful appetite for conflict, at least at this point.
I do worry about their future, with a more intelligent, competent facist and / or an even more divided America. But thats a conversation for another day I guess. A good day to just say feck Trump and leave it at that.
 
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