Sums up my feelings on Pogba as well. Which is why I think we should get rid of him. He's too big a name to be treated as such and for the overall harmony of the team especially tactically, it's better if he is replaced. And I've always loved watching the player tbh. He just isn't a good fit for the club at all now.
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He could absolutely turn it around. The talent is there, I just don't see it happening. Like you said, we are all fickle, all we want after all is to have players who are performing as well as they can, as often as they can.
Look for my previous post. Also read @Strelok 's French translation.
Can’t wait til Kante becomes POTUS
No one would doubt his talent but it hasn’t come off for him back at United. Just like better players before him it’s time we recognised it and moved on. I think of players like Ruud, Veron etc who were moved on so that the team could become a better unit. I hope ole calls it. That would be his biggest legacy for building a better team
Ruud was incredible for us. At least he have us that in his time here.
He didn't say anything specific about United stop spreading lies.
I know the feeling.I think his head is just not with United.Should have sold him few years ago.
I think that's harsh on Ruud . The team did improve, but he was a killer. He scored 150 goals in 200 games and helped us to a league title. He was also voted as UEFA forward of the year. He was before my time, but looking at it from outside and having watched old games from that era, there is no way you can put him and Pogba in the same sentence.
As for Veron, maybe he didn't suit the league, but again he had to displace one of Keane and Scholes from the lineup, no? Pogba can't start ahead of Fred and Scott right now, and that's just a damning indictment of his performances this season.
That’s my point, he was a big player who no longer fitted how we wanted to play. The team looked more fluid when Saha came in
I’m not knocking ruud, see my other post
Yeah but Pogba never fitted in with us. By comparing that to Ruud you are underrating Ruud's impact with us. At least RvN is looked back upon as a big hit of a player with us who was world class in the Premier League. Pogba will just leave as meh, a very talented player who never cut it in England, like Veron.
I can see what your trying to say. The difference is that RVN for some of those years was our best and most important player, and after he left we played somewhat differently.
Unfortunately Pogba has never been that influential for us. It’s different, because there's a nagging feeling with Pogba of ‘what if’. It wouldn’t be a big change if he left, as he’s never fitted in.
would love him to turn it around, but he’s running out of time, and I’m running out of hope.
It just shows how out of context quotes can be easily misinterpreted. Unfortunately many have made up their minds and context doesn't matter.
Why don't you quote the post where I translated what Pogba said and point out what was wrong and why?
And please stop calling other spreading lies without any concrete evidence.
Said numerous times how much I love Pogba but do feel it'd be the right time to move him on.
From our point of view, we'd get some good money for a player who doesn't seem to be in our plans.
From his point of view, he'd be wanting to reignite his club career and win some major trophies because lets be honest, it's been something we haven't done on a consistent basis since the retirement of Sir Alex.
It'd be a win-win for both parties, I think.
That being said, whilst he's still there, we still need to use him and I'd like to see him playing next to Fred more often.
I said before that he looked good next to Fred against both Copenhagen and Sevilla - a high pressing, possession-based side.
Something i'd like to see is:
From our point of view, we'd get some good money for a player who doesn't seem to be in our plans.
From his point of view, he'd be wanting to reignite his club career and win some major trophies because lets be honest, it's been something we haven't done on a consistent basis since the retirement of Sir Alex.
It'd be a win-win for both parties, I think.
That being said, whilst he's still there, we still need to use him and I'd like to see him playing next to Fred more often.
I said before that he looked good next to Fred against both Copenhagen and Sevilla - a high pressing, possession-based side.
Something i'd like to see is:
Rashford (Forward)
Van de Beek (Shadow Striker)
Bruno (Roaming Playmaker) Fred (Ball Winner) Pogba (Regista) Greenwood (Winger)
Telles (Wing Back) Maguire Lindelof Wan-Bissaka (Support)
De Gea
Van de Beek (Shadow Striker)
Bruno (Roaming Playmaker) Fred (Ball Winner) Pogba (Regista) Greenwood (Winger)
Telles (Wing Back) Maguire Lindelof Wan-Bissaka (Support)
De Gea
Agreed. Now that we have Bruno it doesn't make sense to change things to try to get the best out of Pogba because that will probably hurt Bruno's performances and the team as a whole. However I'll never understand what was going on in the managers' minds for the three and a half years before signing Bruno. Trying to play 4231 with the options we had instead of 433 was ridiculous IMO. We had shit #10's while having a player who was struggling for consistency in a midfield two after playing well enough in the most attacking of a three man midfield at his previous club that we payed a world record fee.
That what you translated isn't right. It's already been confirmed what he said.
Can you point out what exactly was wrong in my translation and why?
Or can you give me a link where what Pogba said has been confirmed?
I'm afraid your memory is playing tricks on you. I wouldn't have remembered correctly either but I checked the line-up in each game on Transfermarkt. Out of his 105 PL starts, 61 were alongside two other recognised central midfielders, 44 starts playing in a two man midfield. For CL matches, the breakdown is 9 starts with two other central midfielders on the pitch and 3 starts in a two man midfield.
During Mourinho's first season, Pogba started 19 PL matches as part of a 3 man midfield, with two from Carrick, Fellaini and Herrera, providing support. He scored 4 goals with 3 assists in these matches.
In Mourinho's 2nd season, I've so far counted 10 PL matches in which Pogba played in a midfield three, typically Matic + Herrera, but Fellaini and McTominay also featured on occasion. I've not included the unsuccessful period when Mourinho used Pogba and Lingard as no 8s ahead of Matic. Anyway, 3 goals and 2 assists in those 10 PL starts with three recognised midfielders.
In the Mourinho/Solskjaer season, Pogba scored 13 goals (including 7 penalties) with 9 assists in 3013 PL mins. In 31 out of 34 starts, he played in a midfield 3, typically alongside Herrera and Matic but Fred, Fellaini, Pereira (used in a deep playmaker role) and McTominay also featured at times.
So far this season, Pogba has started one PL match with 2 other central midfielders (Fred + McTominay in a diamond system against Arsenal).
De Bruyne has had 3 seasons for City with superior figures. 14 goals (including 2 pens) with 20 assists in 2818 PL mins last season. 8 goals with 16 assists in 3103 PL mins during 2017/8 and 6 goals with 18 assists in 2893 PL mins during 2016/7.
Elite no 10/attacking midfielders typically average about 20 non-penalty goals + assists in an almost full, 3000 mins PL season. Ozil, Dele Alli, Eriksen all delivered at this rate on average. Bruno Fernandes currently has 7 non-penalty goals + 10 assists in 1785 PL mins since joining United.
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It is so sad we cannot work out a system with him. He just doesn't sit well in any formation right now.
I found another source:
According to this source he said:
Non pas que l’on n'en prenne pas aussi en club mais ici ce n’est pas pareil
It's not like we don't enjoy as well at the club but here it's not the same
Tbh I've no idea what source is correct because I can't find any video. But this sounds closer to the recent twitter quotes, and looks more complete so it's actually nothing I believe. Imo he was misquoted by the first source I mentioned a few pages back.
Really sorry for the fuss caused by this.
https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/football...e-periode-difficile-a-manchester-2006613.html
According to this source he said:
Non pas que l’on n'en prenne pas aussi en club mais ici ce n’est pas pareil
It's not like we don't enjoy as well at the club but here it's not the same
Tbh I've no idea what source is correct because I can't find any video. But this sounds closer to the recent twitter quotes, and looks more complete so it's actually nothing I believe. Imo he was misquoted by the first source I mentioned a few pages back.
Really sorry for the fuss caused by this.
If you’re telling me Pogba has played as an advanced midfielder, as in a no.10, most of the time he has been here, the same as Bruno, Ozil, Deli Ali then you don’t watch us. Pogba is typically tasked with taking the ball off our centre halves, spreading play to the full backs etc. Bruno plays as a ten. Higher up the pitch taking the ball primarily from the midfield finding space in between the midfield and forwards. If you’re not saying that then your point is pointless. Of course he won’t match Bruno’s numbers. Why with Pogba did you mention penalties and with Bruno you mentioned non penalties? Curious as to the negative bias.
How was that your take from what @kundalini said?Pogba defending really does take some strange turns.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about here? My take is that the poster was suggesting that Pogba has played in the same position as Bruno, Ozil, Deli Ali since he mentions we’ve played three man midfield and brings out stats for the aforementioned players as comparisons.
Pogba defending really does take some strange turns.
What’s you’re point? Do you have something more insightful to add other than you’re own insecurities
Well he didn’t, at all. His point was about him being supported by two man midfields which he has mostly been in the past, his post was a direct response to someone saying Pogba has mostly played in a two man midfield .
There was zero mention of a ‘number 10’ specifically by either poster. He mentions De Bruyne and Ali, neither of who have been traditional number tens.
My take from the exchange was that someone was trying to excuse Pogbas poor returns and performances as him playing in a midfield two. This was then sniffed at by someone producing factual evidence that this hasn’t been the case and then goes on to mention more advanced midfielders who have outperformed Pogba down the years.
I wonder what the going rate is for a midfielder with those stats. Sans the whole social media followers thing. Just based on those stats and any other pertinent ones for a midfielder.
Those are some pretty unflattering stats.
As usual Pogba's words taken out of context.
Anything for twitter clicks and headlines though...
Anything for twitter clicks and headlines though...
Your.
good post. If Pogba can’t do the basics in the engine room and it’s holding the team back then move him on. We bought Bruno to replace Pogba who clearly didn’t want to be here anymore. He stays on because of covid and probably had second thoughts because things got better at the club yet he was playing terribly but acting like he was still the main man. We take him (and matic!) out and we magically play better again. Now it’s 100% clear he doesn’t fit unless Bruno is injured and we have VDB waiting in the wings to cover AMC. We need to win the midfield battle to stamp our authority on the game and let our attackers flourish and we rarely do with Pogba in the team. He doesn’t even know what he’s going to do himself half the time so how can his teammates know?
I find it interesting that people say this about Pogba because, realistically, he's never been world class for us.
DDG had his difficult start but then became an absolute stalwart in goal so we have the proof of when he was arguably the best in the world for a period of a few seasons. Pogba, by contrast, is still living off his reputation in Turin - it's nearly 5 years since we signed him and fans are still bringing up that he played in a 3 at Juve and how he needs a Pirlo type player to get the best out of him. I don't think you can point to a single season at United where he's maintained form good enough to be anywhere near the 'world class' level.
If he likes playing for France so much, why don't he just play for them then? He'd have less work to do. He'd only need to show up for a month or so every couple of years for the Euros and WC instead of turning up every week for United.
And pogba then would say "why always me?"
Anyway, sooner he leaves, better for all the parties involved.
.............like PSG ?!
Insulting another member
Your a cock
What is the point of the stats for more advanced midfielders? You could add forwards in to the mix or compare centre halves to centre forwards.
You’re.
I'm afraid your memory is playing tricks on you, for the simple fact that Felling often played as a no. 10 under Mourinho. Who do you think was supplying him all those balls for his fabulous chest controls?
I'd say this is a classic case where memory counts for more than checking stats and the like, because without remembering, one would most likely assume the likes of Felling would surely play behind Pogba. But it wasn't so, and tbh that's been the story of his Utd career.
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Damn! Such hybole. I never watch him play and have anywhere near these thoughts
. I hear he is trying his hand at fashion. He's a genius- Status