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Yeah, I’d be more concerned about how route one showing them a movie like that is than how offensive it might be considered.
There seems to be a few different stories so it'll be interesting to find out what really went on.Tbf lads there are some English staff and players born in England in the squad. It’s probably not the best idea to stir anti-English feeling. I mean can’t they stir a pride in Ireland without resorting to that bollocks?
If they just happened to watch In The Name of the Father, that's fine. 'Tis a good film with one of DDL's least showy performances.
If they watched it to somehow motivate themselves for a friendly football match against England, that's weird on multiple levels.
Damn Twitter gets me again.Apparently the film being ITNOTF was just a joke made by John O’Sullivan on Twitter.
Having 'You're Beautiful' by James Blunt on a 4 hour song loop coming full blast out of a giant screen, would be better than Rocky 1 if you're wanting to motivate a squad about to play England!should have watched Rocky 1 instead......
Jack used to play rebel tunes all the time and half that squad was English.Tbf lads there are some English staff and players born in England in the squad. It’s probably not the best idea to stir anti-English feeling. I mean can’t they stir a pride in Ireland without resorting to that bollocks?
Don’t make it rightJack used to play rebel tunes all the time and half that squad was English.
100% agree with this .Whoever leaked it to the fecking daily mail should be sacked on the spot. Heard it was some asthmatic prick from Preston.
Any other of the English players offended should be shown the door with him.
The reports are the offended party objected to the video being played before hand and subsequently ran crying to the Daily heil. He then pulled out of the next match due to asthma.I got duped by the reference to the movie in the original articles, these all seem to have been amended now. I probably shouldn't have, but I read the article on the mail, the comments section was what it is.
Anyway, whatever he thought was motivational at the time, wouldn't it be fairly certain the coaching staff were aware of it before he showed it? From that point of view if the person who leaked the information was unhappy with it, they could have mentioned before hand. Instead of claiming insult to the papers after the fact. Maybe it's the reason that one of them didn't travel to the game.
Or is this another case of the rags getting wind of something minor and using the sources and members of the squad as wording for a clickbait article?
Either way, in this day and age it wouldnt surprise me one bit if Kenny was sacked over it.
That seems a curious point to make given your own family background.Whoever leaked it to the fecking daily mail should be sacked on the spot. Heard it was some asthmatic prick from Preston.
Any other of the English players offended should be shown the door with him.
Yeah this is what I've heard and a very good friend is part of the back room team . It was nothing at all just a short Irish video to probably bring the squad together for a game we would never win . Whoever outed this needs to be exposed and sent packing .The reports are the offended party objected to the video being played before hand and subsequently ran crying to the Daily heil. He then pulled out of the next match due to asthma.
It was a 3 minute video of past goals against England along with a short clip of Irish history and a quote from the proclamation.
If anyone in the camp is offended by our country’s history or independence then they should leave and shouldn’t be representing Ireland in the first place.
All parties responsible for running to rag press should be immediately sacked and removed from the set up. We don’t need such pathetic and toxic behaviour.
Maybe he was offended by the showing of goals and not saves.The reports are the offended party objected to the video being played before hand and subsequently ran crying to the Daily heil. He then pulled out of the next match due to asthma.
It was a 3 minute video of past goals against England along with a short clip of Irish history and a quote from the proclamation.
If anyone in the camp is offended by our country’s history or independence then they should leave and shouldn’t be representing Ireland in the first place.
All parties responsible for running to rag press should be immediately sacked and removed from the set up. We don’t need such pathetic and toxic behaviour.
I actually think it should be replaced with Ireland's Call.Next thing you know, they'll stop singing the national anthem. Where will it all end?
How so? It’s not a point, he’s from Preston and has asthma. I didn’t say being from Preston is why he’s a prick. It’s just a matter of fact which identifies who he is.That seems a curious point to make given your own family background.
Hahaha love itI actually think it should be replaced with Ireland's Call.
Do I feck.
I imagine you know what I’m getting at. If asked, you’d say you are Irish. As would Alan Kelly, who played for his country 34 times. Dismissing him (and the others) as “English” to make a point seems odd in your position.How so? It’s not a point, he’s from Preston and has asthma. I didn’t say being from Preston is why he’s a prick. It’s just a matter of fact which identifies who he is.
Highlighting the person offended by a nothing video is English isn’t curious anyway when the matter is regarding the English.
And I’m not sure what “given my family background” refers to. I have no family from Preston or England or the UK at all. Nor does any of my family get offended by goals against England, Irish history or the proclamation.
Dismissing people who are offended by a 3 minute video of goals against England and a 30 second reference to Irish independence isn’t odd at all. If he’s offended by Irish history and independence then he shouldn’t have represented “his” country he’s so offended by.I imagine you know what I’m getting at. If asked, you’d say you are Irish. As would Alan Kelly, who played for his country 34 times. Dismissing him (and the others) as “English” to make a point seems odd in your position.
Yeah, that’s a load of disingenuous old shite but have at it, I guess.Dismissing people who are offended by a 3 minute video of goals against England and a 30 second reference to Irish independence isn’t odd at all. If he’s offended by Irish history and independence then he shouldn’t have represented “his” country he’s so offended by.
What’s odd is you trying to equate my position, someone who isn’t offended by a 30 second reference to Irish history, with someone who is.
Ah Twitter, people on Twitter pointed out that something that didnt happen might be scoffed at if it did happen. Scoffed.. That sounds like British talk to me...As a few people on twitter have pointed out, if we read that Gareth Southgate had shown the England team three minute video about WW2 before playing Germany we'd rightly scoff. Especially if he did it before an absolutely pointless friendly game in an empty stadium and they then went on to lose 3-0.
A thoroughly rotten and delusional man. Mountbatten.. . Christ.Tweet
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And just like that, my sympathies go back towards Stephen Kenny.
I'm not saying people would scoff (yes, I'm sticking with that word dammit) because it's wrong, they'd scoff because it's lame. People make fun of the UK's national obsession with WW2 as is, so for the manager to use that as motivation before as pointless a game as you could imagine would rightly be mocked as David Brent style management. This is no different, it's a cringey approach to take for such an utterly low stakes but still professional game.Ah Twitter, people on Twitter pointed out that something that didnt happen might be scoffed at if it did happen. Scoffed.. That sounds like British talk to me...
It wouldn't bother me if Southgate did that, in fact he'd probably be within his rights to, Germany were the aggressors in that fight. It also wouldn't bother me either if he rallied the players before the Ireland game by showing them videos how the fans ripped up Lansdowne Road or if they watched Escape to Victory or if he had them sat round drinking tae and ating hangsangiches to get into the Irish mindset.
Now if Germany did something similar, say if they were playing Israel, Poland, France, Holland, Russia or Belgium. Then maybe there could be some scope for complaint.
A thoroughly rotten and delusional man. Mountbatten.. . Christ.
Roy Keane sums it up quite nicely above, for me."Roy Keane" said:"Love of a country is a hard thing to measure but if you see a player on the TV who played for Ireland, singing 'God Save the Queen' in a play-off final, you might just say, 'Oh, right. Maybe he's not really all that Irish'. Matty Holland would be an example. For me, Matty is as English as David Beckham. He played for Ireland and he obviously has the roots.
"But he played for Ipswich in a play-off final, in 2000, and he was singing 'God Save the Queen' at the top of his voice. I don't think he could have sung it any louder. Some of the other Irish lads saw him, too, so at the next couple of international matches we were going, 'Turn that rebel music up a bit'."
If they want to come on board and they qualify, then great, as long as they've a feel for it. I think, in the past, there were one or two players who probably declared for Ireland as a career move - and I can understand that, too.
"They did well for the country, but I look at some of them now and I wonder if they've been back to Ireland since. So I think the attitude should be, 'Listen, if you're going to come on board, get a feel for it - have a warmth for the country but don't just do it as a pure career move'."
Whoever leaked it to the fecking daily mail should be sacked on the spot. Heard it was some asthmatic prick from Preston.
Any other of the English players offended should be shown the door with him.
Yeah Keane said that about Holland but when he was assistant manager of Ireland he was begging the likes of Scott Hogan to come and play, as he was desperate to save his managerial arse. He contradicts himself a lot.I have zero issue with it.
Managers are known for trying random things and using unconventional methods to motivate players and increase unity. Pep, for example, showed his players Gladiator before playing United in Rome. So it was written at the time.
Like it or not, England are the old enemy. You don't have to condone the pipe bombing and kneecapping, but can remember the atrocities and take stock of it.
This goes back to points raised earlier in this thread. I personally don't like us calling up English players. The vast majority are only playing for us because they weren't good enough for England, or they want to use our youth teams as a stepping stone to the England national team (Michael Keane).
In a world where countries like Italy & Spain cap Brazilians, France exploit their colonisation of Africa, Germany benefit from immigration, and even nations like Bulgaria and Russia are capping Brazilians, you can understand why Ireland would want to take advantage of "granny rule" when the biggest and most successful nations are doing anything they can to assemble the best squads possible.
I personally think we should only be calling up players who either have an Irish parent or who lived here for a numbers of years. Players who have an actual passion for Ireland or a relationship with their Irish roots. Michael Keane, for example, has admitted to using us as a stepping stone. His dad is Irish, yet he said he doesn't have much of a relationship with his Irish relatives. He's English. I admire players like Bamford and Nolan who could play for us, but have held out for an England cap instead of using Ireland as a career move or a 2nd choice. I think players like Kilbane are perfectly entitled to play for us. He grew up in England as a circumstance of his parents emigrating to England for work. He ended up becoming one of our best ever servants. He is what you want from and English born player. He has a relationship with his parents' country and gave it his all for Ireland. A prime case study. I feel sorry for Scotland that we took McGeady and McCarthy from them. They should really have been playing for Scotland.
Roy Keane sums it up quite nicely above, for me.
I don't see an issue with that. He didn't say he was against English players playing for us. He said that their attitude and feel for it are important, which they are.Yeah Keane said that about Holland but when he was assistant manager of Ireland he was begging the likes of Scott Hogan to come and play, as he was desperate to save his managerial arse. He contradicts himself a lot.
I think the granny rule is perfectly fine. Without it some smaller nations who can sometimes compete with bigger fish would become pub teams over night.