Stupid idiotic board not letting Ole build a cohesive system for the players. They threatened him and he manages under control and fear. They are also the reason why sometimes we don't make use of the bench, they said if Ole subbed certain players he will be fired.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Compared to Pochettinos last 12 months in charge at Spurs - anything is improvment
A Champions League final?
6 league wins in 25 matches ? Pochettinos last 10 or so months in charge of Spurs - that was relegation form.
Surely we all need to take into account the extraordinary situation we as a club have found ourselves in at the beginning of the season. Let's look at Liverpool, they where just starting they're preparations for the 20/21 season on the 15th of August out in Austria after having a month off for recovery. They had another month to prepare for the season. They arranged three friendly matches and had the community shield (friendly) before the season started. That is a terrible preseason with less than half the amount of friendlys played in comparison to a normal season. This Is obviously a huge factor that has to be considered when looking at Liverpools early form.
We (united) have had two weeks break to recover, two weeks to prepare with one friendly arranged before the start of the season and let's not get started on the transfer market.
We have basically played our preseason throughout the start of the season and we are just starting to see some players hit full fitness.
However at the end of the season we could reap the rewards and see a strong finish due to this.
5 points behind top if we win our game in hand isn't a bad position considering.
We need to judge ole at the end of the season at the very least, end of next season to give him a fair shot if you ask me.
We (united) have had two weeks break to recover, two weeks to prepare with one friendly arranged before the start of the season and let's not get started on the transfer market.
We have basically played our preseason throughout the start of the season and we are just starting to see some players hit full fitness.
However at the end of the season we could reap the rewards and see a strong finish due to this.
5 points behind top if we win our game in hand isn't a bad position considering.
We need to judge ole at the end of the season at the very least, end of next season to give him a fair shot if you ask me.
Hmm, I'm not sure about this.I’ve also hypothesised that intersectionality!
I always thought that the crowd here more likely to vote Trump would have been the more local, proud Top Reds that defend the club at all costs, get dewy eyed about any local talent and who always feel the need to "back the manager" due to old rhetoric about the club's history.
Those values feel somewhat... conservative.
See Klopp's final Dortmund season, it happens.
Poch did well to reach the CL final. But he also was pretty shit in Europe before that, one could say that was a fluke of a season from his perspective. You can also argue that he sacrificed his entire season to reach the CL final, which *insert shock face* his team bottled. Is one good season in the Champions League something to be proud of given he was at Tottenham for 6 and a half seasons?
Probably not no.
I think it all fell apart spectacularly for him at Spurs and sacking him was the right call. Personally though I've wanted him at United since half way through LvG's first year, and especially since we sacked Mourinho. My opinion hasn't changed.
I do accept some of the criticism of his time at Spurs and if we hired him I would expect him to step up somewhat.
And some will just go along blindly making excuses
Poch made a poor career choice when he chose to remain at Spurs rather than take over Madrid - arguably the biggest job in football management - and it backfired badly for him. You can't help but question the guy's ambition after that.
I bet he's kicking himself now.
Very true
Excuses or facts?
Look at all the other top teams around Europe.
What’s happening with the rest of Europe? Are the top teams in the bottom half of the table?
Yeah, Bayern sacked Kovac and somehow reached the treble
City is struggling, Real Madrid is struggling, we are not yet title winning squad, and yet we can still easily reach top four.
Sacking a manager early in this covid climate is just over the top. At least for me, I would rather see us try until January, and then judge Ole.
City need to sack there manager but gave him a new contract. I’m happy for them. Madrid signed no one due to no money and are considering sacking there manager.
I think all is fair to be honest. Ole will have until Christmas but I don’t expect to see anything unsual. We’ll beat a big team and look terrible against teams we should be winning, whilst losing and drawing a few of them games too. Rinse repeat.
You have shown yourself up with the bolded. Molde are seen as a buying club in Norway. They are owned by rich businessmen. They have that advantage over the rest of the league who mostly develop through their academies. So how are Molde of all clubs a selling club?
I never said Ole didn't do well at Molde, I just highlighted that they don't miss him now he's left. Winning trophies and improving the next season highlights that.
He had Zaha and brought in loads of familiar faces at Cardiff, let's not blame his failure on not having his own players. Even Ole didn't think that.
Im not going to call you any names as you love to do. As you are so adamant, please show me the proof that after the Cardiff sacking, Ole turned down top 10 PL clubs to stay in Norway?
Yes Molde are the rich buying club in Norway, owned by local businessmen. It's laughable to call them a poor selling club.
What Ole achieved with Molde was amazing. It is like someone coaching Aberdeen to win the scottish league now or having Lyon win the french league. Just because Molde has moved on doesn't mean his achievements with Molde should be undermined.
As for Cardiff, he took over them in January and they were already in course of getting relegated. Ole shouldn't have taken over that job, it was a wrong choice but it could have happened with anyone. People make it look like as if he relegated a very good team. It's like someone taking over Norwich last season in January.
Cardiff were 17th in the Prem when Ole took over, he left them 17th in the Championship
I keep seeing this but what if he lost today? Does that Everton result automatically buy him another long spell of poor results? Chelsea are now picking up speed also now, he's got to start building some consistency at some point.
I'm not undermining his achievements though. In my initial post to him I said Ole done amazing at Molde, but they don't miss him as they're winning trophies in his following absence both times. It all started because he tried to make out Ole was refusing offers from PL clubs to stay in Norway after Cardiff.
I know Cardiff were on course to be relegated before he arrived. But it's false to say that the reason he failed was because he never had the opportunity to buy his own players or pick his own team. That's what I was responded by. He had Wilfried Zaha and loads of familiar faces at Cardiff who joined him there. Cardiff then stuck with him, he was then backed by the club in the Championship the next season, and looked just as much out of place there too.
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Which is precisely what i've been banging the drum about. After 100+ games in charge, hundreds of millions spent and the whole squad now completely overhauled from Mourinho, we should be expecting much more by this point. This squad is better than anything LVG or Mourinho have had, wouldn't you agree?
If he doesn't get top four then sack, simple as that. He's been allowed to spend far too much for excuses like injuries or a short pre-season to be allowed to save his job if he doesn't achieve top four.
I mean, really, we should be challenging for second given how much we've spent, but I'd settle for 4th and consistent improvement.
I mean, really, we should be challenging for second given how much we've spent, but I'd settle for 4th and consistent improvement.
Regardless of how the squad compares to previous seasons it's still not as good as Liverpool, City or Chelsea. Why should 'expect' any better than 4th?
Majima, why should anyone take anything you say seriously when you posted this quite recently?
You've seen 'more than enough to believe he is the right man to take us forward without any doubt'
Now you are leading the charge for his sacking. Kneejerk supporting at its finest
I've already answered numerous times. How many times are you going to try and latch onto that? If I was 99% repeating this point, then the 1% of the time I get sentimental and show support, I'm being kneejerk? I'm not 'leading the charge for his sacking'. I'm pointing out that this squad isn't as bad as it is being made to look currently. You can call that whatever you like.
Why isn't it as good as Liverpool, City or Chelsea is the question? I would argue that man for man, there isn't much difference. It's what the respective managers extract from their squad that currently separates us. Why do we have to settle for that?
People change opinions, that's natural. Or else we'd be stuck with Moyes or Jose or whoever
Of course, but going from 'the right man to go forward without a doubt' to what it is now is one extreme to the other. We've played what, a dozen matches since then?
Its the relationship equivalent of being totally in love to 'she burnt my toast - not the one for me'
The irony of this post is about to create a crater on the moon if you don't immediately realize what you just said.
As I've said before, the poll is too limited - too b/w - to capture the actual mood of this place.
There will undoubtedly be a lot of "agnostics" here at the moment who won't find either poll option right for them.
What does "finish the rebuild" mean? How long is that supposed to take? I can't get behind giving him an unspecified number of seasons to "finish the rebuild" - that would mean being 100% convinced he knows what he's doing and that the rebuild he's masterminding is the right one for United.
On the other hand, I would never opt for "sack ASAP" - because that's idiotic, pure and simple, and he simply hasn't done anything to indicate that he's incompetent as such (which would be the only reason to demand his immediate dismissal, nevermind who his replacement might be).
There will undoubtedly be a lot of "agnostics" here at the moment who won't find either poll option right for them.
What does "finish the rebuild" mean? How long is that supposed to take? I can't get behind giving him an unspecified number of seasons to "finish the rebuild" - that would mean being 100% convinced he knows what he's doing and that the rebuild he's masterminding is the right one for United.
On the other hand, I would never opt for "sack ASAP" - because that's idiotic, pure and simple, and he simply hasn't done anything to indicate that he's incompetent as such (which would be the only reason to demand his immediate dismissal, nevermind who his replacement might be).
Not everyone wanted him as a permanent manager.
The fact you're even trying to build that straw man shows you have no idea how to build a proper argument.
I was ecstatic when he was 'at the wheel' but I still wanted to wait till the end of the season to confirm him as permanent manager. That wasn't some sort of brilliant premotion or genius thinking on my end and neither do I claim to have some amazing football knowledge/foresight (I don't). It just highlights the naivety and stupidity of our board.
Many were in that category, including yours truly.
I think if United play really bad tonight and lose, as much as I like Ole, I think his time will be up within the next week.
With a potential top manager available can the board afford to let him slip away?
Only real saving grace for Ole perhaps is the fact, United can afford to not make Champs League next season (Based on the Adidas deal) otherwise, he would be 100% likely to go.
I hope we win and well and it starts a long run.
With a potential top manager available can the board afford to let him slip away?
Only real saving grace for Ole perhaps is the fact, United can afford to not make Champs League next season (Based on the Adidas deal) otherwise, he would be 100% likely to go.
I hope we win and well and it starts a long run.
Were not going to lose against West bloody Brom. They've got 3 points in 8 matches and no wins.
Molde is not a selling Club? Say what? I think they sold like 70 players since Ole came there, twice. What hurt your feelings? Lazy? I think it stands.. I was a bit drunk last night, but when did top 10 premier club become a goalpost? Enjoy the match tonight mate
West Brom probably the worst team in the league, and we have both Matic and Fred playing, also Mata starting yetagain. VDB left on the bench.
We will win tonight and all will be well but it's just appearing over the cracks.
We will win tonight and all will be well but it's just appearing over the cracks.
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