Pep Guardiola ‘unsackable’
'Pep' Guardiola sack watch
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I knew he'd get hung up on City. Bottomless pit of cash and confused expectations. No profound pressure like at Bayern and Barca, where his happy happy Christmas excuse antics would liberal maintain where's this sentence going?
They’ll take him because he’s one of few established top tier managers. Just like teams would take Klopp and every other manager who’s ever been in that position before. Desirability isn’t a special trait exclusive to Pep.
Yep his football friends are more important than his wife and kids.
Turned down PSG and Juve, according to Paul Hirst.
Interesting, City must be getting Messi this summer then.
maybe they treat players well ? A good environment goes a long way.It’s very fishy that he’s happy to stay at City longer than Barca & Bayern put together. It’s almost like they are paying him far more money than is officially reported....
Reminds me of how none of their star players ever want to leave despite never coming close to a CL, while ours & Liverpool’s always “dream of Madrid/Barca”
You're on to something there.
City basically gives Pep whoever players he wants, sky high salaries too and no high pressure, freely building a younger team too.
It's a dream job if we think about it.
Also I'm sure his family is already settled there.
PSG demands CL and have squad that can be tricky to manage.
Bayern have their own ideas and demands CL.
Inter don't have ready-made squad...
Milan have financial challenges.
Barca is having many "problems" and their squad is...
No chance with the other top clubs, except maybe Juventus next?
He haven't manage in Italy, so it's likely he want to go there one day, who knows.
But if I'm not wrong, Juventus doesn't always overspend, basically they play the financial game well, usually season to season, which also why older players tend to come in, so those are not good for Pep.
Equally PSG with their financial muscle and the city/environment, he and his family may likely want to move there, I'm sure he'll have problems dealing with some players but as long as their owners backed him to the fullest, he'll be okay.
Mercenaries go to- and stay at- a heaven full of cash and very low expectations.It’s very fishy that he’s happy to stay at City longer than Barca & Bayern put together. It’s almost like they are paying him far more money than is officially reported....
Reminds me of how none of their star players ever want to leave despite never coming close to a CL, while ours & Liverpool’s always “dream of Madrid/Barca”
Besides, not like they are treated like shit there or criticized harshly by the fans and media/press because no pressure, the expectations is already sink low.
I'm sure they are given the royal treatment.
Plus, the fact that they are still winning trophies and hanging around in CL competitions consistently, with a good manager now, and daily good promising players joining in, that's really is a great place to stay.
Money talks.
The question is though, how much more money are City paying him than what other clubs would pay him.
Pep is in the top 2 managers in the world and would be in huge demand for most clubs. His net worth is probably £100m considering the wages he has been getting paid for years now.
The money City are paying must be extreme for him to decide to stay. How much more money does he really need, especially if it is only a few million compared to another club. The wage must be a lot more than what he could get elsewhere for it to be the deciding factor, which it most likely is.
The question is though, how much more money are City paying him than what other clubs would pay him.
Pep is in the top 2 managers in the world and would be in huge demand for most clubs. His net worth is probably £100m considering the wages he has been getting paid for years now.
The money City are paying must be extreme for him to decide to stay. How much more money does he really need, especially if it is only a few million compared to another club. The wage must be a lot more than what he could get elsewhere for it to be the deciding factor, which it most likely is.
That door has been wide open for a year now. Nothings happened
When so many people here claim Pep's main priority is 'money'... Honestly, which club he should have joined then? He goes to PSG or Juve and it's 'I could win with that squad' so what you want him to do? It's a bit hilarious, really.
Who said it was though?
The point is that there are other top manages of whom clubs still hesitate because their style of play isn't seen as attractive, Pep (and Klopp obviously) isn't one of those and are both seen as the most attractive choices IMO.
Also when it comes to just the both of them, i don't think Klopp is more desirable (yet) than Pep is.
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That doesn't answer my question. And the reality is no matter what Pep does a big % of local users will criticize him unless he wins CL with Akhmat Grozny using only their academy players. And of course he will work there for free.
I mean winning the CL with a team similar to spurs spending maximum of £100 mil would suffice. He'll winning the league with a team similar to spurs would suffice.
He'll never get away from that criticism until he grows some balls and actually goes for a challenge. It's that simple.
So you think given a choice between one of the top clubs in Europe or a nearly team, he should take the nearly team to prove some kind of point? Thats ridiculous. Its like saying Ronaldo can't be the best player in Serie A because he signed for Juve instead of Roma...
Sir Alex was such a coward never taking a downward step and always moving forward in his career, the cheek of him. I mean East Sterlingshire > St Mirren > Aberdeen > Man United. Always aiming for better teams with better finances and to better his career. He really should have thought after 2 CL's and 8 titles at United it was time to take a backwards step and win the CL with Everton, I mean he's totally unproven because he only won the CL with the biggest club in the world.
This bit is sarcasm just in case you think I'm serious.
The same ones who'd have leapt through hoops to say how great he was and how amazing he is before he joined City. But its not jealousy, its the fact he failed hard by winning so many trophies and getting 198 points in 2 seasons.
I am sure you are serious, especially about us being the biggest club in the world
But I am more interested in knowing where you got the 8 titles from
Not at all! Winning the CL with Bayern or with Man City over the last 7-8 seasons would have shut up many a naysayer.
He has arguably had the best squad in the world for the last 8, and for the last 4-5 years, the most expensively assembled squad with the highest wages and the largest structural backing of any coach in the world.
He has unlimited means to attract the worlds best coaches, pay the worlds best salaries and tie down key players to the point that they will never ask to go anywhere else. He can get key signings wrong and pay no real penalty.
There is a massive difference between doing it at one of the big clubs and playing with completely different rules to everyone else.
That’s what he is doing and that’s how he deserves to be judged.
He should have left after 8, after that he was just being greedy. He should have swapped jobs with Moyes there and then (I can't remember if Moyes was in charge of Everton when he got no.8 but I'm gonna guess maybe?)I am sure you are serious, especially about us being the biggest club in the world
But I am more interested in knowing where you got the 8 titles from
I had same opinion before he joined city, and joining city only strengthened that. Nothing to do with jealousy.
To be honest, I think some United fans simply never 'recovered' from 2009 & 2011 finals so when Pep joined City... that was it for them. If he joined Arsenal, for example and clowns like Mustafi would be making all those ridiculous mistakes over and over again these guys would be repeating 'he can only win with best players evah". It's a never-ending circle so at least I hope they're honest with themselves and their opinions.
Bit of a stretch. Sir Alex built 3 great teams. Pep was gifted arguably the best club side ever with one of the goats. Are you comparing East sterlingshire to Barcelona? Obviously he's talented but there's quite clearly differences in the careers of Sir Alex and and Pep.
You should have at least done your maths on how many league titles he had won by the time he won his 2nd CL!
I got confused and started counting
Jesus get a grip
If he joined arsenal I'd expect him to either make mustafi a better player (something he's supposed to be good at?) Or make a shrewd signing where you can't just thrown money at the best.
It's really not hard.
Man I'm a City fan, I don't keep track of when he wins stuff (I couldn't keep count if I wanted to be honest). 1 CL and 8 league titles? Lets just say when he won more than 1 man should.You should have at least done your maths on how many league titles he had won by the time he won his 2nd CL!
I got confused and started counting
No I'm not and its not a stretch, people work their way to the top and then stay there, that simple. As I said Pep got the Barca job on merit. Why would someone work their way to the top and then jump to the middle? City are the smallest club Pep has managed outside of Barca B. But he's happy to stay there because he has free reign and none of the political nonsense he had at Barca or Bayern. For Pep its a nice cushy job. One of the best squads in Europe, unquestionable loyalty from the board and a giant war chest (albeit thats dried up last couple of seasons) at a club where he wields absolute power.
The truth is leaving Bayern for City was taking on a challenge (going to a league with more than 1 contender as opposed to Dortmund who are usually a squad of u23's.) Facing up again to Jose (who almost broke him in Spain), Klopp (who had his number in Germany) joining a team who had finished 4th only on goal difference. The easy decision for Pep was to stay at Bayern (better team, better chance to win the CL and a guaranteed title every season he spent there). Coming to City was always going to be a tougher challenge than a one team league. I'm sure the pay packet helped too but with Pep I think the fact he's bigger than the club and had as I said absolute power that intrigued him
Its not the clubs comparison its the fact nobody is ever gonna take a step backwards after reaching the top unless they are forced (ala Jose at Spurs, Carlo at Napoli, Everton). Once people get to the top they generally stay there till time or failure takes it from them. Ain't no one going to take on a harder job with less money and worse players to prove a point. No one ever has so why would Pep be different. If he fails and his style of football falls away, he'll end up at a slightly weaker team just like Jose and then he'll have to sink or swim but while he's at the top he'll take sideways steps while staying there. Anything else would be crazy, why Pep is expected to do different than any other coach to prove something is beyond me.
Great. He would be their Alexis Sanchez signing. Paying huge wages to a player in decline.
A lot of people jumping to the most obvious conclusion that this is about money or that it means Messi is coming... but I"m not sure Pep has that many other options right now. How many top clubs would sign Pep as their manager right now? I'm not sure there's that many. What has Pep proven over the last 4 years at City? That he can turn your team into a machine and dominate domestically certainly, but to do so you need to invest the kitchen sink. And it still doesn't guarantee you success in Europe, in fact there's serious questions about Guardiola's CL record.
So who would take him? Bayern are already the best in the world, just won the CL, and have unearthed an exciting new coach who is a perfect fit for them. Juve might have considered Pep, but can they afford him with Ronaldo's wages, and having just invested in a brand new coach? And what would be the need? They already dominate domestically and their goal is the CL, which Pep doesn't guarantee. I'm not aware of another club in Italy or Germany who can afford Pep or the investment he requires. PSG? Possibly, but I can't imagine that would appeal to Pep. The only option would be to return to Barcelona, but I can't see that happening with the shambles they're in.
So really, does he have much of a choice but to stay at City?
So who would take him? Bayern are already the best in the world, just won the CL, and have unearthed an exciting new coach who is a perfect fit for them. Juve might have considered Pep, but can they afford him with Ronaldo's wages, and having just invested in a brand new coach? And what would be the need? They already dominate domestically and their goal is the CL, which Pep doesn't guarantee. I'm not aware of another club in Italy or Germany who can afford Pep or the investment he requires. PSG? Possibly, but I can't imagine that would appeal to Pep. The only option would be to return to Barcelona, but I can't see that happening with the shambles they're in.
So really, does he have much of a choice but to stay at City?
People just like to over complicate thing. It is quite simple actually imo. PL is the league with most competition, resource and attention, so top manager like Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti want to be in this league. City probably pays him well and a management structure he feels comfortable. He may also want to best Klopp in the league in the next couple season as well. So it is easy for him to stay.
Why should he have too? He created the best team of all time, that alone gets him top jobs until he shows genuine signs of decline. Also whenever manager's do take "proper challenges" like Spurs and overachieve they still get criticised because they "didn't win anything innit"
Also to note Ancelotti (who's universally rated by almost everyone) had two decades worth of similar "easy" jobs like the one's Pep has had/is getting and managed a whopping 4 titles (and barely any title challenges outside of that) in that period so it's not as "easy" as people think!
He knows that with Corona around he can only spend big money at the city.
What a fraud. Probably needs another half billion to get City back to the top.
He'll be gone with his tail between his legs soon enough. PSG next ??
He'll be gone with his tail between his legs soon enough. PSG next ??
I don’t think he’ll see out the contract.
Isn't this his 5th year at City? Not even the great Pep is immune to this cycle curse. It just increase Pochettino stock as Pep has a much better squad. I expect Pep to turn this around when he rebuild this team, if given the opportunity.
His tactics basically played into Jose's hands.
I think this is something good for both Manchester City and Guardiola. First of all they can now concentrate on improving the team rather than if Pep is going to leave anytime soon, so within the next seasons it should be all about building up a new team and imprinting his brand of football long term there. Even if he's not a massive success I think the goal is going to be for him to set up some solid foundations for Manchester City.
So he renewed, does it matter?
At this rate it looks like his last season at the club.
At this rate it looks like his last season at the club.
The new contract made no sense, he's done at City now. Far too big a rebuild needed. Honestly looking at their XI tonight De Bruyne aside who else is really that special?