Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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I don’t know if you watch much football. But brom is a hard team to beat. You have to work for it. It was a shit game, no one denying that.
But we won. Should have won by more. And if they scored we would score two. Having a crisis after a scrappy win, and absolutely being in the mix for the Christmas fixtures is a bit embarrassing.
The same WBA who have conceded the most goals in the PL? We were horrendous, they play a flat back 5 and Ole decided to play a defensive double pivot. No wonder the game was so tumescent. Their penalty was incorrectly overruled and we were saved by another penalty, it's actually embarrassing how bad we are from open play.
 

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I really wonder where he'd be without VAR being introduced shortly after he came. Add to that the COVID break which allowed us to squeak top 4.

He's one of the luckiest managers I've ever seen.
I wonder where Liverpool would have ended last year without VAR? Would Klopp ever got a title?

He’s a our version of Southgate. Lucky, over his head and still in a job when it’s clear neither will achieve anything of note.
Both have very good players yet set up as the team that needs to play on the back foot and counter: 2 sitting deep midfielders and then long balls to wide players. Both manager are trying to copy Jose and failing miserably with horrendous football.
Can’t wait until he’s gone.
Well, he came 3rd last year. Came to semi in all cups. Sure, we didn't win anything. But did beat or came before lots of managers people want here.

- Tactically naive
- Relies on individual brilliance
- insistence of things that doesn't work
- No passion at the touch line/ no passion in the game

He looks directly opposite of Klopp. Give me any manager who is passionate, hopefully it will breath some fire in the belly of players. Just look at Rushford, Martial, Martial, Maquire, AWB and etc. There is no fire in this team except a couple. We will be stuck from 4-8 in the table with this team. What culture? I dont see any fire. I wish there is a manager like Roy but does not alienate players. That would be a perfect Man Utd manager.
Why is Klopp always mentioned but people don't want to recognize that he didn't win anything for 4 years and even Liverpool fans wanted him out in some periods?

Tactically naive? Beating PSG, Leipzig and previous years ManCity, Tottenham, Chelsea and all those big teams. Who have managers people seem to adore in here.
Relies on individual brilliance? Tell me any big club or manager who doesn't rely on individual brilliance. Messi? Ronaldo? Mbape? Salah? Kane? DeBruyne? Lewandwski?
No passion at the touch line/ no passion in the game? Well, he can't be a clown shouting out every sec.

A quick wiki would give you it all, but if you can’t be arsed:

Molde 2010 - 2014
Cardiff 2014 - 2014
Molde 2015 - 2018
Man Utd 2018 -

Last trophy was effectively the Danish version of the league cup in 2013, won the league in 11 & 12.

Got Cardiff relegated & poor form in the Chanpionship meant he was sacked to stop the rot.

His second stint at Molde I don’t really care, but nothing of note appears worth mentioning.

You be the judge of his time at United, but I’ll give you a clue, average at best.
If you want to be believed, try to google what country he managed teams in. Not being bothered to even look up that it is Norway and not Denmark just points out you just want to have a go at him.

He is probably even more tactically clueless than Moyes. I really hope we bring someone more competent in sooner rather than later.
Clueless? In what way?

A top brave manager wouldn’t be such a coward and get Pogba and Fernandes playing in a 4-1-2-3, but not Ole, it must be 2 defensive midfielders no matter the opposition or whether or not we’re at home.
Well, you can discus lot of managers decisions. A brave manager should bench Pogba. And in best case sell him for the good of our team and Pogbas career.
 

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Rashford and Martial are “kick and rush footballers” now is the latest argument to somehow defend Ole.

I mean Jesus fecking christ.
It's funny how it's fair game to slander everyone but Ole.
 

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Tough team to beat with only kick and rush footballs like Rashford and Martial up top.
 

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Spurs? Or does parking a bus automatically mean you didn't play well?
I thought the game was slow and sloppy. So was Real Madrid. Chelsea looked tired and sloppy. Bayern looked sloppy. Barca lost again. Rb Leipzig drew, didn’t watch it though. Even the Dortmund game was slow and sloppy the 40 mins I watched. But they have Haaland.. I didn’t see any good football on display yesterday. As expected I guess. But it was nice having football back. International breaks are tiresome even as a fan. We are in good position for the run coming up, where players will go down like flies injured. 8 games in I think it’s a bit knee jerking on here.
see where we are in January and go from there.
 

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I wonder where Liverpool would have ended last year without VAR? Would Klopp ever got a title?


Well, he came 3rd last year. Came to semi in all cups. Sure, we didn't win anything. But did beat or came before lots of managers people want here.


Why is Klopp always mentioned but people don't want to recognize that he didn't win anything for 4 years and even Liverpool fans wanted him out in some periods?

Tactically naive? Beating PSG, Leipzig and previous years ManCity, Tottenham, Chelsea and all those big teams. Who have managers people seem to adore in here.
Relies on individual brilliance? Tell me any big club or manager who doesn't rely on individual brilliance. Messi? Ronaldo? Mbape? Salah? Kane? DeBruyne? Lewandwski?
No passion at the touch line/ no passion in the game? Well, he can't be a clown shouting out every sec.


If you want to be believed, try to google what country he managed teams in. Not being bothered to even look up that it is Norway and not Denmark just points out you just want to have a go at him.


Clueless? In what way?


Well, you can discus lot of managers decisions. A brave manager should bench Pogba. And in best case sell him for the good of our team and Pogbas career.
Corrected it in a reply to an earlier poster, typed in haste, not due to a lack of research. And I’ll say the same thing to you as I did to him. The original point about his credentials being crap still stands, whether it be Norway, Denmark, Mars or bleeding Timbuktu
 

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When you look other teams. Managers come and in less than a year they implement their style of play. And all that in worse teams than our and with much money less spent.
Failed Cardiff manager spent 300 mil and after two years he still needs time?
He has team which should be playing good football and instead we play even game with WBA.
 

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Going to be a long and slow death. Not poor enough to sack him but not good enough consistently to feel we have turned a corner. Painful.....
 

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I thought the game was slow and sloppy.
Honestly, I see no difference between that Spurs performance and one's we've put in recently against City.
City being very good in the first, conceding on the break, and completely losing the plot after that.
Spurs were focused and looked very good on the break until that final pass most of the time.


The problem for me with the West Brom game was the lack of control we had over it. We had possession but that doesn't mean control. We just don't box teams in and batter them, in the same manner the top teams do.
If we win 1-0 and dominate the game comfortably, all good. But a better team than WBA yesterday and we'd have been punished a few times yesterday. Some will say we did dominate but I'm in disagreement.

All good and well we won, but the only consistency we have at the moment is consistency in lacklustre performances.
That is what is concerning.
 

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When you look other teams. Managers come and in less than a year they implement their style of play. And all that in worse teams than our and with much money less spent.
Failed Cardiff manager spent 300 mil and after two years he still needs time?
He has team which should be playing good football and instead we play even game with WBA.
Only the ex player status saves him. Anyone else will be gone by now.
 

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Worrying thing for me is even if he got his wish and the club spent £200m on Sancho and Grealish, the same result would have happened in my opinion.

I don’t think he knows how to implement a system that isn’t reliant on individual brilliance, and nor do his coaches. OGS has said he’s a man management guy. Phelan isnt the tactics guy. From stuff I’ve read, his strength is motivator/man management rather than tactician. There’s a reason why our style of play steadily dropped once he took over from Queiroz in the SAF times. Carrick got parachuted into a first team coaching role after retiring. McKenna has experience at youth level but youth and senior levels are completely different.

So we have two senior coaches who are man management, an inexperienced coach who was dropped into the first team coaching setup immediately after retirement and a coach who has credentials at youth level. Who would be the tactician out of that lot? Is it really a case of “go out there and enjoy yourselves lads but try to give the ball to Bruno at every chance”
 

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Some of his quotes when he was hired.

"It is easier here because I know what the DNA and identity of Manchester United is and what a Manchester United player is."
"It’s a winning identity,” he explains. “It’s a confident identity. We want to take risks. We want to go for the second, the third and the fourth goal because that’s just how we do things at Manchester United. If you can’t handle that then you are at the wrong club.”

About full backs:
"Man Utd full backs must provide goals and assists". And then he buys AWB.

He says what fans want to hear but does opposite.
 

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Worrying thing for me is even if he got his wish and the club spent £200m on Sancho and Grealish, the same result would have happened in my opinion.

I don’t think he knows how to implement a system that isn’t reliant on individual brilliance, and nor do his coaches. OGS has said he’s a man management guy. Phelan isnt the tactics guy. From stuff I’ve read, his strength is motivator/man management rather than tactician. There’s a reason why our style of play steadily dropped once he took over from Queiroz in the SAF times. Carrick got parachuted into a first team coaching role after retiring. McKenna has experience at youth level but youth and senior levels are completely different.

So we have two senior coaches who are man management, an inexperienced coach who was dropped into the first team coaching setup immediately after retirement and a coach who has credentials at youth level. Who would be the tactician out of that lot? Is it really a case of “go out there and enjoy yourselves lads but try to give the ball to Bruno at every chance”
And people think this is the best this squad can do?
 

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Yet those defending him say they don’t understand the moaning, cause 1-0 is a good result.
They can’t see the woods from the trees.

@Skåre Willoch, this is why expectations should be sky high (and also why AC Milan’s shouldn’t), it’s also the reason Bayern don’t make the United mistake of keeping managers in too long to make a right feck up of thing. If you invest the first or second most in the league, expect good football and results pretty fecking quickly:


Full cost of each 25-man squad in the Premier League
  1. Manchester City - £810,870,000
  2. Manchester United - £628,130,000
  3. Chelsea - £577,100,000
  4. Arsenal - £454,800,000
  5. Liverpool - £454,250,000
  6. Everton - £388,050,000
  7. Tottenham Hotspur - £385,300,000
  8. Leicester City - £317,450,000
  9. Wolverhamton Wanderers - £241,980,000
  10. Aston Villa - £229,350,000
  11. West Ham United - £218,500,000
  12. Newcastle United - £198,100,000
  13. Southampton - £170,550,000
  14. Brighton & Hove Albion - £159,100,000
  15. Crystal Palace - £149,860,000
  16. Sheffield United - £120,700,000
  17. Leeds United - £120,300,000
  18. West Bromwich Albion - £97,700,000
  19. Fulham - £94,350,000
  20. Burnley - £82,600,000
Wow looking at this list, I am surprised how little pressure is put on Arsenal. I would seriously ask more questions to the likes of arteta also.

Anyways coming to Ole I don't think he should remain as the manager next season unless we end up finishing 2nd or 3rd or even 4th if that means we are challenging for the title. But we are just scrapping past 4th then I don't think he should be our manager next season. But then again do I trust this board to be ruthless and smart, I don't so no point of talking about when to replace the manager.
 
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Worrying thing for me is even if he got his wish and the club spent £200m on Sancho and Grealish, the same result would have happened in my opinion.
I disagree somewhat, give any manager a great squad and first eleven and they can achieve. Not always, but it’s possible, many average managers have won with great teams.

Great managers achieve even with imbalanced and imperfect squads.
 

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I’ve been one of the biggest flip floppers on this. I love Ole, the memories of him as a player and his contribution to this club are amazing.

I usually change my mind after a dreadful performance and a loss but this time I’m done. I’m bored of supporting Ole. I’m bored of waiting for some kind of development of the team, some kind of improvement, some kind of identity.

I think this is his limit. We may never know what is holding him back, holding the team back but we have a good team. We may not have the best team but it is a good one and should be performing much better than an this.

Sorry to say but sack him now. Get Poch in. Poch himself may not be the long term answer but it will be a massive upgrade on Ole who has clearly reached his ceiling.
 

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I'm not convinced that many posters even watch our own games that closely, the amount of posting that goes on during games.
I've seen you say this loads. It's clear you have a superiority complex over the posters who don't see Ole as a good manager for us. It really helps explain your posting style, pure condescension.

It was plain for all to see that we were terrible last night. You don't have to be glued to the screen for 90 minutes with a notepad and your tongue hanging out analysing every bit of the game to see that. Feck sake.
 

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Some of his quotes when he was hired.

"It is easier here because I know what the DNA and identity of Manchester United is and what a Manchester United player is."
"It’s a winning identity,” he explains. “It’s a confident identity. We want to take risks. We want to go for the second, the third and the fourth goal because that’s just how we do things at Manchester United. If you can’t handle that then you are at the wrong club.”

About full backs:
"Man Utd full backs must provide goals and assists". And then he buys AWB.

He says what fans want to hear but does opposite.
Why is there no longer a clamour for an exciting style of play under Ole. I remember this was one of the major criterias from a new manager after Mourinho. Are Ole supporters happy with our style of play?
 

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How do you need dodgy refeering to beat a team like WBA? Ole has to go

Do Ole supporters ever wonder why do fans of other team want Ole to stay in the job? They know that we are not going anywhere with him. We are a joke.
 

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I've seen you say this loads. It's clear you have a superiority complex over the posters who don't see Ole as a good manager for us. It really helps explain your posting style, pure condescension.

It was plain for all to see that we were terrible last night. You don't have to be glued to the screen for 90 minutes with a notepad and your tongue hanging out analysing every bit of the game to see that. Feck sake.
:lol:

Good post.
 

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I've seen you say this loads. It's clear you have a superiority complex over the posters who don't see Ole as a good manager for us. It really helps explain your posting style, pure condescension.

It was plain for all to see that we were terrible last night. You don't have to be glued to the screen for 90 minutes with a notepad and your tongue hanging out analysing every bit of the game to see that. Feck sake.
He talks like a Christian that thinks he's among the few following the right path to paradise
 

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Why is there no longer a clamour for an exciting style of play under Ole. I remember this was one of the major criterias from a new manager after Mourinho. Are Ole supporters happy with our style of play?
Funny how that stopped. When he came here, without any proof, fans said that we have "progressive, attacking manager". Based on the fact that he is former striker and "knows the club".
Then it was "he needs time" to implement that.

And now 2 years later and 300 mil spent, we play with two destroyers in midfield against bloody WBA. And winning 1-0 from penalty spot.
 

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How many more games is it acceptable for us to be terrible?

We have a good team we should be good more than we are bad but no we are quite bad most games and every now and again play a decent game.
 

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I've seen you say this loads. It's clear you have a superiority complex over the posters who don't see Ole as a good manager for us. It really helps explain your posting style, pure condescension.

It was plain for all to see that we were terrible last night. You don't have to be glued to the screen for 90 minutes with a notepad and your tongue hanging out analysing every bit of the game to see that. Feck sake.
You can take it as condescension or whatever you like, but its a relevant point. I regularly give a 'good post' response to a well written Ole out argument even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

Of the four games played yesterday United had by far the largest XG. Now granted we also had probably the easiest fixture, but if everyone on here who was so angry last night had watched the other PL games it might change their opinion slightly. We were not terrible. We also weren't that great, but we've played worse than that and won before.
 

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You can take it as condescension or whatever you like, but its a relevant point. I regularly give a 'good post' response to a well written Ole out argument even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

Of the four games played yesterday United had by far the largest XG. Now granted we also had probably the easiest fixture, but if everyone on here who was so angry last night had watched the other PL games it might change their opinion slightly. We were not terrible. We also weren't that great, but we've played worse than that and won before.
The game was rubbish and 90 minutes of my life I which I used to do something more productive. But hey we support our team. I watched two games yesterday other than United and our game was by far the worst. The level of football was awful. But I’m use to it now. Whether that be Moyes, LVG, Jose or Ole. We seem to hire these negative coaches and it’s beyond a joke now. Chris Haughton will probably be our next manager.
 

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You can take it as condescension or whatever you like, but its a relevant point. I regularly give a 'good post' response to a well written Ole out argument even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

Of the four games played yesterday United had by far the largest XG. Now granted we also had probably the easiest fixture, but if everyone on here who was so angry last night had watched the other PL games it might change their opinion slightly. We were not terrible. We also weren't that great, but we've played worse than that and won before.
That's just whataboutism really though isn't it? A staple of defending Ole throughout his tenure.

What about if we had a pre season
What about if our strikers could finish
What about if Martial didn't get the red card
What about the other teams struggling right now
What about those other games where other teams weren't great!

When most of your arguments to defend the manager involve saying what could have happened in such scenario or look at how crap these other teams are, it's not really a great argument to be honest.

And we WERE terrible to watch last night, especially in that first half. God it was awful. I don't think I've ever turned off a Utd game mid way through before but I came very close then, a total borefest. It's a good thing we're in a lockdown or that would've been some waste of a Saturday evening.
 

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He is probably even more tactically clueless than Moyes. I really hope we bring someone more competent in sooner rather than later.

Fair enough with some opinions but this totally takes the award for dumbess post yet :lol:


Hard to get proper discussion when you got load of people writing this sort of bile.


What the hell happened to our Fans, seeing it everywhere,
 

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I think the only game I can remember us controlling for 90 minutes under Ole was Tranmere.

I no longer believe whatever Ole does all week has any impact, it's almost entirely down the the team we play and how up for it they are.
 

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You would think we lost because of all posts. But we actually won. Lots and lots of post trying hard to discredit Solskjaer and the staff in every way it is possible. Little bit sad when you see this waves of hatred. I hope you all slept good like I did with 3 points and put all the hating at the side today. I know it is hard but you haters can do it. I hope that the darkness you live in can still see the light sometimes.

In worst case, we are 7(8) points from first place with game in hand. We are now infront of our neighbours. We are closing in the other above us. We won a hard game after international games. Future looks bright.


This is how I look at it, but we must he suckers because we arent sticking to a opinion we made year ago and have a serious need to be proven right.



Just constant negativity even in games when we have won well, from the same folks.
 

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First game back after a 3 game international break. 3 points when playing poorly always a good thing in my book. People seem to get upset we don’t play champagne football every week with their favourite players, well few teams ever do. We are 4 wins out of 8. In the hunting pack for the top end of the table. We win 6 out of first 10 then that’s a good start, far better than last year (3 out of 10) and will have us in contention up near the top. So so much more to come from these players and this team.
 

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I'm giving him a pass for this game since the preparation was basically non-existent.

I've kind of written off the season until life returns to normal a little more. This isn't football.
 

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That's just whataboutism really though isn't it? A staple of defending Ole throughout his tenure.

What about if we had a pre season
What about if our strikers could finish
What about if Martial didn't get the red card
What about the other teams struggling right now
What about those other games where other teams weren't great!

When most of your arguments to defend the manager involve saying what could have happened in such scenario or look at how crap these other teams are, it's not really a great argument to be honest.

And we WERE terrible to watch last night, especially in that first half. God it was awful. I don't think I've ever turned off a Utd game mid way through before but I came very close then, a total borefest. It's a good thing we're in a lockdown or that would've been some waste of a Saturday evening.
I do agree that people can go over the top defending things with Ole, but people also go over the top attacking him. Thats somewhat inevitable when you have a 35000 post argument, at some point everything possible is going to argued and then counter-argued, and it definitely isnt a healthy situation.

Honestly I'm surprised that anyone is still surprised when our performance levels peak and trough. Its been a staple of the club since Ferguson. If guaranteed entertainment is what you seek then you're going to be disappointed sometimes, but we are rarely as bad as people make out.
 
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