He got 3 trophies and had us finished 2nd. Hardly a flop.
Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager
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Of all the varied boom-bust cycles in football, I like the Mourinho cycle the best.
Love seeing people who were laughing at/cursing him a couple of seasons back, praising him to the high sky. Would be fun to see them revert back in under 18 months.
Love seeing people who were laughing at/cursing him a couple of seasons back, praising him to the high sky. Would be fun to see them revert back in under 18 months.
Thats rubbish though. He brought 10 players in. Spent over 450m euros! How much backing would he fecking need, 750m? 1 billion?
He was backed, his transfers on the whole didn't work out and he alienated too many of our players. He insulted the club and to a degree Sir Alex by mocking our CL form. He was a prize A bellend. feck that man and feck any United fan that sides with him. I'm going to enjoy Tottenhams downfall that much more when it happens.
Europa, League cup and a second place league finish is enough to be considered a success at United nowadays? Other managers have done worse than this, doesn't mean United should lower their standards and deem this good enough.
I don’t think your take on what went on in which order at United under Mourinho is all that well informed. As I said, I wanted to believe the ‘unraveling story’ about Mourinho was just a myth, despite it happening at chelsea twice, Real Madrid once and mever really disproved at any other club. But when you see how it transpires at a club you follow closely, it becomes rather evident it’s more about the man than the circumstances. Granted, United under Glazers/post Fergie is rough sailing, but there are different ways of responding to rough sailing, and then there’s theMourinho wayz
If ‘success’us the only alternative to ‘flop’, we’re not living up to your nick.
Fair enough, I should have worded it differently. Although I'd struggle describe Mou with any kind of moderate adjective. It's usually the exhilarating highs and the depressing lows with him.
True enough.
Care to share yours with us?
This. People have short memories.
The difference is also the damage he can leave behind. I very much doubt Levy would have let him spend so much money on the likes of Sanchez or Matic (fee + wages). Also getting into a war with Dele is hardly the same as getting into a war with Pogba. Hardly any United fan is convinced of Pogba. But how exactly does it help the club (especially financially) if he starts an open war with the club record signing? He had to leave Chelsea and United as apart from the obvious catastrophic performances and results the financial impact on the decisions he was making was / would have been far bigger there than at Spurs (as the players he bought / was trying to buy / as well as the players already at the club he was picking up fights with were usually much more expensive than at Spurs).
The heritage speech was so cringe even for Jose. Still it’s what he always does. Mentioning his successes and ignoring his failures. Focusing on when he knocked us out but not on when we knocked him out with Inter.
He even managed to mention RM’s terrible CL form before he joined them, but of course he didn’t bother to mention that he couldn’t win the CL with them whereas after he left they were on the way to winning their 4th!!! CL in 5 years.
I remember when he joined RM he got into fights with their star players and asked Ramos if he has ever won a CL. Ramos replied if he has ever won a WC!
So glad he is gone. It’s working out for Spurs (so far), good for them but nothing he might achieve with them will repair the damage he left behind at United.
Preach.
He's going to win the Premier League with Spurs isn't he. 
The ultimate middle finger to us. Do your thing Jose.
The ultimate middle finger to us. Do your thing Jose.
It is early and in a few weeks they can be 6th or 7th. But so far in 9 games Spurs are 1st, second best attack and best defence in league. All that in a less than a year in charge and with only two world class players in squad.
Most successful manager since Fergie retired. Tell that to your mate.
That you sacked..
He wasn’t a flop but his temperament was at his worse with us. I imagine the limelight was at its worst for us too in terms of media pressure. That being said I thought from the get go Spurs was set up to make it be more of a success for Jose. The players he has for the most part in the middle of the field (besides Dele) and what Son is able to do as a wide forward made his job much quicker. I feel like our squad was too disjointed for too long and Tottenham doesn’t have that problem. I also remember we were at the top of the league his second season in charge for sometime so the comparison is similiar at the moment.
I also feel like Levy would be way better at handling and managing the manager as opposed to our cirque de soleil of higher ups.
That being said Jose was a better manager before he won so much because he was always aspiring to be the best while deep down he knew he could be or believed he was even though he wasn’t there yet. Looking back on past successes will harm many’s abilities to look towards the future and the present and adjust accordingly.
damn, that last part really spoke to me about myself.
I also feel like Levy would be way better at handling and managing the manager as opposed to our cirque de soleil of higher ups.
That being said Jose was a better manager before he won so much because he was always aspiring to be the best while deep down he knew he could be or believed he was even though he wasn’t there yet. Looking back on past successes will harm many’s abilities to look towards the future and the present and adjust accordingly.
damn, that last part really spoke to me about myself.
Think people are getting a bit carried away and it's still too early to say. The last time there was genuine title talk about them this happened.. look at the date and the table.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46656879
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46656879
Point still stands
Jose, Klopp, Pep are top tier managers. And with hiring them you must give them full control. Full. They decide who play or not, they decide who will be sold and who will be bought. I am not saying that you must them all players who they want but if you give them certain transfer budget then they decide how they will spend it. And again; they are The boss.
In United he was boss in first season. After that fans were obsessed how his style of play is not United way (like today is
) , how he is too negative in press conf. and in third season board (Ed) killed his authority with standing on Pogba and Martial's side and refused to buy him certain players despite having money for them (famous situation where Ed refused to buy Perisic and Toby because "we have better players in squad"). That was the moment when Jose knew it is over and just waited for sack. he even pushed for it.We made 2 mistakes with him. First was with hiring him because he is not something who United fans will like and he is not yes man who board wants. Second mistake was that we fired him instead giving him full control regarding team.
Now we have coach who is everything what average romantic United fan wants. Nice guy, club legend, always positive. Board likes him because he never ever will go against board. Because he knows that it is his only chance to manage top club.
Anyway; Jose and United was not compatible. And that is a shame because with happy Jose we would be title challenger for sure.
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I think too much is made of the impact a manager can have at a club if the conditions aren't right. Everyone is convinced that Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and now Ole are flops or at if not flops, just weren't the right fit to get us back to title winning form. But I think the bigger problem is the club itself spent the best part of 30 years, being run top to bottom (or at least much more so than other clubs) by it's manager. So when SAF left, that hole couldn't simply be filled by a coach, which modern managers effectively are. We can talk about the money each manager since SAF has spent, but a lot of that has got to do with the Utd tax, which is vast. I know people talk about the game "moving on" etc, but most of the time I tend to think that is pretentious crap. Football is never going to change that much. LVG and Mourinho are both proven winners, at the highest level, so if they struggle, I think it's much more likely that the failings are within the structure of the club itself, rather than the directives of the managers. To me, it's clear as day, that Mourinho is still as good as anyone and though he had some success with us, by his standards he flopped. So, I'm inclined to think in the post SAF era, any manager would have struggled here.
Fact that Mourinho ended up at Tottenham with all due respect to Tottenham shows that hardly any top club agree with your assertion.
But he said he wanted to stay in the Prem. What better jobs were there? The City and Liverpool jobs were hardly likely to come up. I doubt he’d have been unable to land a big club in Italy had he wanted it.
Don't forget that his familiy home is in London either, it was a pretty sweet opportunity for both parties.
He was backed in some moments and then not others. We had obvious need in a number of positions but spent money on second rate squad players rather than top starters. He was only really backed with Lukaku, Pogba and i guess Fred. You could rightly argue that's enough over the time frame but we had a lot of gaps to fill sadly.
No one would argue that Ole has been backed with right wingers just because we've signed 3 of them.
The only time he wasn't backed was with the Maguire fiasco and to be fair, that would have been the 3rd CB and they weren't small time signings either. Both CB signings were 35m euros or higher. The club should really have signed Maguire in that Summer, just like Ole should have been baked this Summer. But to say Jose wasn't backed by the board despite spending 450m euros in his time at United is honestly, staggering. Imagine being in a situation where you demands funds to sign a massive deal to bring Pogba to United and then alienate the player two seasons later calling him a virus and throwing him out of the team. From the boards perspective, I can fully understand why they cut ties, the decision not to sack him that Summer was pretty daft though. Although given the amount of backing Jose still gets on this forum despite his shit show in 2019, I can perhaps understand their initial reluctance not to throw his ass out of Old Trafford. Shame.
I think we can all agree however that this Summers transfer window like Jose's 3rd was a bit of a shit show.
Your bitterness clouds your vision here. It's ridiculous to say he was backed at right back for a start but also LB and AM given we relied on Lingard of all people.
LvG gutted the numbers in a squad that already needed quality adding so it was always going to need major investment. We needed two top CBs, a left back option, a starting right back and a squad right back, 3 midfielders at least, a right winger, striker, AM. We didn't do the proper business in most of those.
Last summer is comparable as we only filled in squad roles but it was from a better squad position than Jose's 3rd summer. Some credit of course going to Ole for that as he didn't balls up the prior huge money signings but then it's easier if you don't scrimp.
Plenty of things to criticise Jose for but just don't see these ones as genuine. Not everything has to be an outrage.
He is brilliant manager. And I still like and rate him highly.
Problems will begin as soon as results go down (if it happens) and when Mourinho gets under pressure from people around football. He could have given us gold but his behaviour last season in charge was something no club can tolerate.
Problems will begin as soon as results go down (if it happens) and when Mourinho gets under pressure from people around football. He could have given us gold but his behaviour last season in charge was something no club can tolerate.
We talk about how two world class managers failed here but don't mention the quality of the players they had at their disposal. Forget the millions they spent but do you think Mou especially could have done better in the league with the quality of players he had?
The fact that United ended up with Ole, with all due respect to United, hardly shows United as still being a top club.
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It's pissing me off that he is looking like the man standing between Liverpool and No.20 this season.
It's really shit being a United fan these days.
It's either Liverpool, City or a maybe not so washed-out Jose to win the league
Can it not be Everton's turn to win it or something?
It's really shit being a United fan these days.
It's either Liverpool, City or a maybe not so washed-out Jose to win the league
Can it not be Everton's turn to win it or something?
Hey, we can root for Fat Frank too. Less offensive than Jose and the other obvious alternatives.
I don't mind Chelsea winning but nah, they won't even get close at the end
worse thing for me is we are only 4 points behind Spurs and Liverpool if we win our game in hand. Thats nothing really but yet we feel like we have no chance.
He's doing fine with Tottenham so far but still don't expect them to win the league or challenge for it in the latter stages of the season. Still not having the pressure of being obliged to mount a title challenge is good for his team as it allows them to set up the team how he wants. Then it could be massive for them if Bale returns to a good level as it would suit the team to have an attacking trio of Kane, Son and Bale tearing teams apart at the counter.
As a non United fan I think a lot of the fanbase is being very harsh with him anb blaming him more than he does but his that type of personality and the same happened with Madrid with the fanbase being divided. I think when you have him as your managers the players and club as a whole needs to get behind him and back him up and then maybe get rid of him when it starts getting too toxic. In the end we got rid both of Mourinho and Casillas as both were getting out of hand and putting themselves first before the club but he did quite well with us considering the state of the team before him and how he left it and everything that came after his time in here. He set up the club in the right direction and improved the mentality of the team which I think was the most important aspect of his time in here.
With United I think he wasn't backed up like he expected at the end but ultimately the board should had sacked him a lot sooner if they weren't on board with his direction and style. Then Pogba is still around and the standards seem to be dropping considering who is his successor but so far with Tottenham he seems to be having support from all parties involved.
As a non United fan I think a lot of the fanbase is being very harsh with him anb blaming him more than he does but his that type of personality and the same happened with Madrid with the fanbase being divided. I think when you have him as your managers the players and club as a whole needs to get behind him and back him up and then maybe get rid of him when it starts getting too toxic. In the end we got rid both of Mourinho and Casillas as both were getting out of hand and putting themselves first before the club but he did quite well with us considering the state of the team before him and how he left it and everything that came after his time in here. He set up the club in the right direction and improved the mentality of the team which I think was the most important aspect of his time in here.
With United I think he wasn't backed up like he expected at the end but ultimately the board should had sacked him a lot sooner if they weren't on board with his direction and style. Then Pogba is still around and the standards seem to be dropping considering who is his successor but so far with Tottenham he seems to be having support from all parties involved.
They're top of (now joint I think) the league.
Kane & Son are world class. He never had those type of players at United. He can’t develop young players so he bought Sanchez, Lukaku & Pogba but two of them aren’t world class and the other one in decline deadwood.
In my opinion, Mourinho needs 4 world class players & experienced defense in order to win title. It’s similar to his inter when he had Milito, Eto’o, Sneijder, Cambiasso & experienced defenders.
He might have his own Eto’o & Milito at Spurs but he doesn’t have Sneijder & Cambiasso in his midfield. That is where their limit is to prevent them winning the league with the current squad.
In fact, in United forum, a poster posted xG graphs of United vs WBA and WBA vs spurs. Both United & spurs won the game 1-0 but United has so much higher xG than spurs which tells you their midfield don’t really create high quality chances but Kane & Son are just being more clinical in converting those low xG chances.
In my opinion, Mourinho needs 4 world class players & experienced defense in order to win title. It’s similar to his inter when he had Milito, Eto’o, Sneijder, Cambiasso & experienced defenders.
He might have his own Eto’o & Milito at Spurs but he doesn’t have Sneijder & Cambiasso in his midfield. That is where their limit is to prevent them winning the league with the current squad.
In fact, in United forum, a poster posted xG graphs of United vs WBA and WBA vs spurs. Both United & spurs won the game 1-0 but United has so much higher xG than spurs which tells you their midfield don’t really create high quality chances but Kane & Son are just being more clinical in converting those low xG chances.
You do realise, I suppose, that United played at home, whilst Spurs were the away team.
But hell, with such a superior xG it's shocking that United aren't top of the league, and even more shocking that United lost 1 - 6 to Spurs, at home.
Not like home & away matters without fans. Ironically we are better team in away than home this season.
United really had slow start and only start kicking after the 6-1 defeat but what you mentioned about United is irrelevant to my point about spurs.