It was a touch not pulled or fouled, no chance players will go down from that, and if players going down because of that it would be considered as dive or no foul. In fact there was incident where Martial went down easily from similar touch or probably worse and referee/VAR didn't think it was a foul.
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I mean it is a foul, you just have to watch it to see that it is... Doesn't matter if a player goes down or not (although granted that's not how football works in most refs view)... Case in point the Martial one was definitely a foul and should have been a penalty.
I thought that it is not possible in his case but is he even slower lately?
He only looks slower because he isnt getting caught out of position as he was at the beginning of the season.
It doesn't matter whether player goes down or no because Grant didn't go down and Martial went down but that wasn't the point. The point is, there is nothing into it but just a small touch and I have watched it again. The world might should just give up football if it was a foul.
Case in point, no one but you think it was a penalty for Martial incident, I had to agree with VAR & referee for Martial's incident.
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Another unconvincing performance by our captain. Why the hack would OGS give him the captain armband when he was just bought into the team? He doesn’t command and organize the defense well, he is big and tall but he tends to lose headers to opponents during set pieces. Please compare his presence and impact on the back line with VVD at Liverpool and Thiago Silva at Chelsea. We should not be biased and forgiving on him just because of he is an English player!
I mean plenty of people do but that's beside the point.
Grabbing a shirt is always a foul. Thats the rules of football.
I think it looks like he might be hitting some form at the moment.
That’s not the rule, otherwise every grabbing shirt out there will be given a foul but in reality they don’t give a foul to every grabbing shirt. We have seen this thousands time players decided to touch the shirts with intention to pull the shirt for a second and quickly pull the action off. If there is not enough force to bring down the players, it would never be given a penalty.
You cant find better example than two incidents from yesterday game, it’s fact VAR & referee didn’t give the martial one as penalty, the similar Maguire’s incident would be and was viewed the same.
They should because shirt pulling is against the rules.
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:
- holds an opponent
If the ref has given a foul for either incident, do you think VAR would have overturned it? (not that VAR could have done anything about the Maguire one, but would anyone have complained? he grabs at him and clearly slows his run /impedes him)
They call it ‘’hold’’ for a reason, Hold in this definition means you use force in intention to bring down the player.
We have seen this thousands time players decided to touch the shirts with intention to pull the shirt for a second and quickly pull the action off. That’s nothing called hold but a small touch which what Maguire did.
Referee doesn’t need VAR help to make the decision in those two incidents, they were so obvious with naked eye. In fact, before the replay was shown on Martial’s one, I already knew it wasn’t foul, there was nothing in that incident.
That West Brom chance from corner, the guy was very visibly pulling out Maguire shirt, while heading the ball. I was totally surprised it wasn't called out.
And that is correct!
Harry Maguire is the only CB whose supporters rely on stats to prove how good he is. No one used stats to prove how good Vidic and Ferdinand was. It was fecking obvious.
It's quite funny how the anti-Smalling crew wanted rid of him because he'd cost us penalties by grabbing people in the box with VAR. Only for us to spend £80m on Maguire who does the exact same thing!
He has pulled the shirt though?
Actual ref also says as much:
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It's minor, but by the letter of the law it is a foul.
What are you on about here?
He just said it, it doesn't need to be reviewed for VAR because it had little in it. No foul.
Does that mean if a team spends £80m on a keeper, they dont need a defence to protect him?
... thats not what he's saying at all?
He's saying if we're not going by "clear and obvious error" (which he didn't think WBA and Villa pen incidents were) then VAR should also be reviewing things like the shirt tug on Martial
Yes he said it. This is the exact quote from that tweet: "That tug had little in it, and I'd say it's not for VAR."
He's just making a point whether it's little tug in or no even if it's not obvious foul, any incident should be reviewed by the referee and VAR because unexpected shocking decision could be pulled by the referee.
Another Mark Goldbridge impersonator. Try thinking for yourself rather than just repeating what comes out of his toxic mouth...
"But it's there, so who know's"
He's clearly saying its a technically a foul so could be looked out. If he didn't think there was even a hint of a foul there, why would he bring it up?
Stats will never get in the way of a person when they have an agenda
Imagine a fanbase so toxic that they argue that our captain should have been called for a foul (which would be light) just to prove their agenda. My god some of you really are pathetic. Do you support this team or not? If so, then it's time you started supporting our best players, not vilifying them...
Literally nobody has done this?
No, you don't get it.
Don't ignore the first sentence
"That tug had little in it, and I'd say it's not for VAR"It means not enough and doesn't need VAR to know it was not foul.
He's just making a point that the Aston Villa incident & The Bruno's one were also little touch on the ball like the little tug in on Martial so it's also fair for VAR & Referee to referee the Martial because "who knows" that the referee could make unexpected shocking decision.
Weird comparison. Why are you comparing a GK to a CB? Both have different roles. No way should we be spending 80 million on a CB who needs to two CDMs in front of him. Because of this need to protect Maguire, we cannot even play our best 11 and this is coming straight from Mark Goldbridge himself.
Liverpool ended up with VVD and look at what we got. So annoying. Feel mugged off everytime I think about it.
No, you don't get it.
Don't ignore the first sentence
It means not enough and doesn't need VAR to know it was not foul.
He's just making a point that the Aston Villa incident & The Bruno's one were also little touch on the ball like the little tug in on Martial so it's also fair for VAR & Referee to referee the Martial because "who knows" that the referee could make unexpected shocking decision.
sure mate.Here I got better explanation.
He's making a point if Aston Villa & Bruno penalty incident were reviewed because player got little touch on the ball then it'll be fair for the Martial incident should be reviewed due to little tug in on Martial.
Basically, any touches/contacts whether small or no should be reviewed, that's his point. He didn't say anything it's a foul or no.
Becuase saying a £80m CB doesnt need a CB is just naive and shows lack of football understanding.
Liverpool ended up with VVD yes, didnt Liverpool spend £40m after VVD? a CDM to protect the back 4? Didnt they also spend £60m on a keeper? Why do you need a keeper then?
If you understand modern football, it is obvious that teams need CDM's. I can name every team that has won something, they have WC CDM's, we don't have one so we play 2.
Kimmich, Casemeiro, Fernandinho, Fabinho, Busquets.
Is Mark Goldbridge a footballing specialist? He thinks Luke Shaw is the best LB in the league..
Have you been reading the comments about yesterday? People talking about how Bruno's foul was Maguire's fault and that he could have been red carded for a pull back. So yes, people are saying that...
So we keep a team to only 2 shots on goal and keep a clean sheet and our defense was poor. You're having a laugh. And to think that these are our own supporters spouting this crap. Such a toxic fanbase
After VVD was signed, LFC improved defensively.
Didnt we improve defensively last season?
Thiago Silva was captain in some games and he hasnt been there as long as Maguire?
If we took our chances up front we should have thumped West Brom by 3 or 4 goals, and we wouldn't be here scrutinizing every minor detail of Maguire's defending. We didn't keep clean sheets every week with Vidic and Rio either, yet conceding a goal, or even a chance is another nail in the coffin for Lindelof and Maguire.
I actually think bar the first three games of the season where we were collectively a mess and lacked fitness, our defence has been the most consistent part of the team since Maguire arrived, mainly down to his consistency. Usually, DDG, the back 4 and Fernandes are the only consistent performers in the squad, so not really sure where the hate of Maguire comes from.
Is he worth 80m? Probably not. But our defence has defo improved since he's arrived. We're not as weak from set pieces anymore, and most of the time not taking our chances up front are what cost us.
I actually think bar the first three games of the season where we were collectively a mess and lacked fitness, our defence has been the most consistent part of the team since Maguire arrived, mainly down to his consistency. Usually, DDG, the back 4 and Fernandes are the only consistent performers in the squad, so not really sure where the hate of Maguire comes from.
Is he worth 80m? Probably not. But our defence has defo improved since he's arrived. We're not as weak from set pieces anymore, and most of the time not taking our chances up front are what cost us.
Not to mention Silva doesn't speak English despite being named captain. But with our toxic fanbase is it really any surprise that some see greener pastures elsewhere?
It really is frustrating, we all know and we all accept he wasnt worth £80m. You know what? get over it. Its 2 years ago, we need to stop crying over the fee.
Those fans also need to accept that Maguire is a good CB. Its as if none of them have seen a CB make mistakes.
In this thread? One person said the situation arose 'cos of Maguires pace (nothing about the initial foul - which I mentioned separately that is probably was a foul, but that the situation wasn't Maguires fault at all)... so nothing really toxic or agenda based?
Literally nobody has said anything about a red card in here - as far as I can see one person in the post match thread has mentioned that he could have got sent off, but again, doesn't really seem toxic/agenda based - just stating an opinion?
Unless you're talking about the match day thread.... but really, who takes that seriously?!
Exactly...It's not like he set his price
People complain there are no good CBs nowadays, but one mistake in a match and you’re considering having a bad game. With those requirements I don’t there has ever been a good CB.
He was quite good actually. Long may it continue and I hope he improves massively over the course of the season.
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