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Lovely to see him smiling.
Heart was in my mouth when I first saw the crash but just shows how far the safety aspect has come on.
Lovely to see him smiling.
In fire for 25 seconds and only has some minor burns. Unbelievable.Someone stitched some videos together showing time of impact to Grosjean being recovered.
I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more. This was the first lap so a full tank and that was as big an impact as you’re likely to see. I’m still in disbelief that it wasn’t worse.Wow, that is a miracle escape.
Appreciate he hit the barrier head on but im a bit surprised it went up in flames like that?
Wow, that is a miracle escape.
Appreciate he hit the barrier head on but im a bit surprised it went up in flames like that? Thought the fuel tank would be further back?
The fire explosion wasn't a full tank of fuel that ignited, apparently it destroyed the fuel collector which holds about 2-3 litres. It would have been a bigger inferno if the tank was ruptured.I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more. This was the first lap so a full tank and that was as big an impact as you’re likely to see. I’m still in disbelief that it wasn’t worse.
Even more amazing. Absolutely nuts what these cars are designed to withstand.The fire explosion wasn't a full tank of fuel that ignited, apparently it destroyed the fuel collector which holds about 2-3 litres. It would have been a bigger inferno if the tank was ruptured.
I do wonder if you even read the post you quoted. Especially when I read your comments about tyres, which I have addressed.The reason Grosjean is alive today is because the barrier wasn't rigid. If it was rigid and built of the likes of hardened steel the car would become the remover of force and he would have been killed. A barrier needs to stretch and bend to increase the stopping distance of the car and reduce the G force as much as possible. This is an impact that was so fast that it exceeded the limits the barrier could bend and he went partially through it. This is still better than something which would stop the car with greater force when the impact is around 150mph.
I agree that they need to and will look at this and review if they can do anything but there's basic physics at play here as bouncing back into the track could be even worse depending on the part of the track it is in and increasing the give of the barrier (tyre walls) would increase the chances that can happen.
It was truly heroic. I was so pleased to see him get out. I've been watching F1 since early 90s and saw live when Ratzenberger and later Senna crashed and died.Let's not forget the Marshalls, who do this in a largely unpaid and voluntary capacity. Especially the two guys that were there extinguishing the flames, and on in particular to create the path of exit.
At 9.2 seconds you can see Roman but his hand and arm on the top of the barrier trying to get up while the medics were just pulling up in the car.Someone stitched some videos together showing time of impact to Grosjean being recovered.
Thanks, that makes sense. I remember reading somewhere that they use military tech to protect the fuel tanks.The fire explosion wasn't a full tank of fuel that ignited, apparently it destroyed the fuel collector which holds about 2-3 litres. It would have been a bigger inferno if the tank was ruptured.
Agreed I think that's the biggest take away from it, as safe as they can make the cars the circuits need to keep up. As it wasn't a place you would expect an incident it feels like that barrier was bit of an after thought and these circuits need to just treat every inch like a car can impact it at 200 mph.Crazy crazy crash. The instant the fireball went up was terrifying. Such a relief to see him get out, and then absolute disbelief in how he survived it when you saw the remains of the car and the barrier.
A mixture of brilliant safety technology (halo, hans, survival cell, fuel cell) and luck (medical car, the fact he stayed conscious, brave doc & marshals) helped him get out relatively unscathed.
Being wedged in the armco doesn’t seem right though. A thorough investigation is required to see what happened, ideally ahead of the race next weekend.
Titanium.Wtf are the halos made out of?
They are not as many think made out of carbon fibre.Wtf are the halos made out of?
In all probability, the nose section impacted the barrier at precisely the small gap between the two.I do wonder if you even read the post you quoted. Especially when I read your comments about tyres, which I have addressed.
Exceeding the limits of the barrier, as you say, is exactly the point. The barrier split, the car went through the barrier. There is a massive difference between having a barrier that is not completely rigid and a barrier that fails.
The impact was 137mph, maybe barriers need to be designed with these speeds in mind?
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It's looking likely that the halo has likely created the wedge/split in the armco.Being wedged in the armco doesn’t seem right though. A thorough investigation is required to see what happened, ideally ahead of the race next weekend.
I hope they put in the Hulk for one last podium shot. It’s basically an oval this weekend so anyone could do well.Lewis Hamilton tests positive for Covid. Will miss this weekend's race. No replacement announced. But as far as I know, Vandoorne is their reserve driver. Not the most exciting pick, but his absence should shake up the race a little bit and make it interesting.
That would be great, but Reserve drivers exist for a reason and unlike Racing Point, Mercedes' has a super license so I think it would be unfair to just skip him as that's literally his job. It may be different if they needed the points or something, but they don't.I hope they put in the Hulk for one last podium shot. It’s basically an oval this weekend so anyone could do well.
I don’t think fair really comes into it, we know both of those reserves are mediocre drivers.Lewis is probably out of Abu Dhabi too, perfect time to see what Russell can do with the equipment right? Stick him in and evaluate, Stoffel can fill in at WilliamsThat would be great, but Reserve drivers exist for a reason and unlike Racing Point, Mercedes' has a super license so I think it would be unfair to just skip him as that's literally his job. It may be different if they needed the points or something, but they don't.
Russell would be very exciting for sure. However I doubt it can happen with Williams approval and with then desperate to score points by the end of the season I can't imagine they'd make it easy to lose their best driver. Again in a effort of fairness I don't think that would happen. It may be different right in the middle of the Championship.I don’t think fair really comes into it, we know both of those reserves are mediocre drivers.Lewis is probably out of Abu Dhabi too, perfect time to see what Russell can do with the equipment right? Stick him in and evaluate, Stoffel can fill in at Williams
If Merc really wanted to make it happen it will. He’s a Merc driver & they supply Williams with engines. It’s the perfect test scenario for them to see how good he is ahead of a potential 2022 drive.Russell would be very exciting for sure. However I doubt it can happen with Williams approval and with then desperate to score points by the end of the season I can't imagine they'd make it easy to lose their best driver. Again in a effort of fairness I don't think that would happen. It may be different right in the middle of the Championship.
He'll probably still win.Lewis Hamilton tests positive for Covid. Will miss this weekend's race.
Russell has been exceptional in the uncompetitive Williams and it would be great to see him get a chance in a top car.Russell would be very exciting for sure. However I doubt it can happen with Williams approval and with then desperate to score points by the end of the season I can't imagine they'd make it easy to lose their best driver. Again in a effort of fairness I don't think that would happen. It may be different right in the middle of the Championship.
Covid was the only thing stopping him from hitting 100 poles this season.Lewis Hamilton tests positive for Covid. Will miss this weekend's race. No replacement announced. But as far as I know, Vandoorne is their reserve driver. Not the most exciting pick, but his absence should shake up the race a little bit and make it interesting.
I agree, I'd love to see and I think we will see him in the Mercedes at some point for sure. That's clearly the plan, I just don't see Williams releasing him for this. Not sure Mercedes would push it either. We'll see.Russell has been exceptional in the uncompetitive Williams and it would be great to see him get a chance in a top car.
And if Mercedes are really committed to him for the future, no better time.
But will it happen.
Unlikely.
Indeed. But if Mercedes are serious about him, they could offer Williams Vandorm.I agree, I'd love to see and I think we will see him in the Mercedes at some point for sure. That's clearly the plan, I just don't see Williams releasing him for this. Not sure Mercedes would push it either. We'll see.
Roy Nissany tested in FP1 for Williams in Bahrain last week. He could be an option if Russel got the call. Although I’ve no idea if he’s got the points for the Super License.Indeed. But if Mercedes are serious about him, they could offer Williams Vandorm.
But I agree with you. Not going to happen which will be a missed opportunity.