Do you think Ole has or does not have the ability to take us back to the top? And why?

[Plymouth Red]

Shaw, Fred, Rashford, and Martial.

I think regular playing time has allowed Fred to show what he's capable of. His lack of goals is still an issue, however.
As for the other three, I can't see any evidence that they have improved when I watch them now. They may have had good spells here and there but none of them is consistent and if they weren't on the pitch, I don't think currently we would be materially weaker. Their inconsistency is a weakness we need to correct.

 

[Monkey bus]

Will we conquer Europe with him. I don’t think so. Could we win a trophy with him. Yes.
Ole‘s doing ok. Changing Manager now would set us back and ruin the season completely in my view.
A new Manager can‘t come in and implement a new style with the fixture list we have.
See where we are towards the end of the season and make a decision then.

 

[OrcaFat]

I do think he has what it takes to win the league. Europe is tough, SAF only won UCL twice over about twenty attempts.

To be honest, I think Mourhino and LVG would have won us the league given a few more years, maybe even Moyes. I like Ole better than them but he needs what they all needed (but didn’t get) - time.

We do have the resources to get back to the top. The deployment of those resources over a period of years is what will lead to success. I’m not saying any old manager will succeed with time but almost no manager can do this without time.

Getting overwrought by arguments over tactics or team selection, whilst fun, is a bit futile. The big picture is what matters.

I do have sympathy with the notion that Ole is learning as he goes and possibly his lack of prior experience at elite level may be a factor in, say, our relative inconsistency (of performance). But this job is a massive step up for almost every manager and even the most promising candidates will have a lot of adapting to do. They would need time. As long as we’re moving forward let’s give that time to Ole. It will pay off eventually.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I’m not sure he can take us further. He’s done a great job of steadying the ship and getting a team back to being competitive - but just not sure his style of play will really ever be good enough to dominate teams and grind them down.

we need a coach that wants to keep the ball and practises patterns of play that concentrate on breaking teams down.

hes got the team working well in counter attacking ways but that clearly only works in away matches. When the onus is on us to take the lead we just look clueless with no space.

 

[Handré1990]

No - can't see the team having the mettle or consistency to sustain the kind of pressure that comes with leading the table. We usually perform best when our backs are against the wall.

How many times did we throw away the opportunity to overtake Chelsea last season?

...

 

[city-puma]

I don’t know if Ole can bring us back to top, but I will unconditionally support him as long as he is in charge. The reality is this game has been changing so much. It’s such a complicated from bottom to top. I am not even sure if Pep or Klopp can be successful here.
It’s natural that people have different levels of patience. Things get worse for us whenever an undesirable result hits us. It just show how deeply we have been suffering during the post-Ferguson era. Isn’t it wise just to take it easy a little bit? The result is not everything. We love this sports. That is forever.

 

[Foxbatt]

Let's put it this way, his coaching team isn't doing him any favours. In fact the quality of the first team coaches we have at the moment is somewhat reflective of Ole's ability and reputation as manager - my assumption is that he doesn't have the professional capital/pull to attract the best in the business.

Not his fault but Ole deserves to enjoy his managerial career at a club more tailored to his level, where expectations are a tad more modest.

This is spot on. Personally why I blame him is that the buck stops with him. He can get better coaches for sure. He can sack his current team and get better ones. I really cannot believe why he took on Mckenna and Carrick as his coaches when they have no experience at the top at all.
Dortmund sacked their coach when they are still in 6th and only 5 points behind league leaders.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

I’m still pretty confident in our manager. I think we’re going in the right direction. It’s not a smooth journey but what is?

A smoother journey when a better skilled manager is at the wheel?

Agree there will always be rough ride along the journey, a better skilled chief captain of the ship will manage things better than a cheer-leader captain who is always positive and say good things to his crew but not motivating nor the reality check of what they need to hear.

What matters is steering the ship better, not to protect the fragile egos of incompetent crews and clueless ship owner representative.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Shaw, Fred, Rashford, and Martial.

Just 4? That is so sad.

For me, it's just Fred. But then players like him just need longer time to adapt to the fast pace and tempo of the league. He is already physical, combative and technically good, that doesn't need improvement by manager. Fred merely need more time to get used to the PL level. Still make mistakes. Just slightly more consistent and stable performances then. Doesn't improve much.

Improving or not? Because of Ole or not?
Shaw - already good defensively and sparingly show good attacks in Mou's 3rd season before Ole arrived. Same level of performances as now. Not seeing any improvements.
Rashford - getting lazy in pressings. Still inconsistent. As for the other aspects of his game, is it on Ole or Rashy himself? I mean, ever since his debut, he is always improving every season.
Martial - just his goals, but that's down to playing more games. Play more = higher chance of scoring more. How come he's getting worse this season? And still inconsistent.


Many people last season like to include Greenwood, McT, Williams, Matic and whoever else saying Ole improved them... what change this season?
Clutching straws

 

[tomaldinho1]

Right ideas, says the right thing and clearly a decent human being but there has been next to no evidence in 2 years of the aspects of the game he says he has been coaching.

I would probably think a lot more positively about him if he didn’t keep talking about pressing, attacking football and out working opponents because it’s a huge disconnect from what we see most weeks. We play a very similar brand and formation to Mou’s United but it’s being repackaged as a rebuild - that for me is the big issue.

What is most frustrating is when we have had to chase a game because our plan A is so bad (which is most weeks) we look great. The players are there to play more adventurously and to manage games but we only do it when we have no choice. It’s really weird, it’s like we become more like the team he talks about in his press conferences the more he has to change.

My prediction for him remains top 4 with the squad we have and maybe a domestic cup given how poor the usual favourites are. But we aren’t winning the CL with him, that much is obvious.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Will we conquer Europe with him. I don’t think so. Could we win a trophy with him. Yes.
Ole‘s doing ok. Changing Manager now would set us back and ruin the season completely in my view.
A new Manager can‘t come in and implement a new style with the fixture list we have.
See where we are towards the end of the season and make a decision then.

Except many past examples in different clubs proved that is possible.
I mean even Ole immediately changed the style season 18/19 and had the great first 2-3 months no?

Also I agree, there's still small good chances we will win a trophy with him... the small trophies of course. Cups is a luck type of knock-out competitions anyway, and he came close as high as reaching 3 semis was it? With the actual quality and talents of our squad, that'snot surprising. Finishing the finish line is the question to win those 3 cups.

Winning back the big two trophies?
No chance.

 

[dave1956]

It is to my mind the complete coaching staff does not appear to be up to the job of coaching to take the first team much further than the standard it has already achieved. To progress to the next level Ole seriously if he intends to soldier on and the powers that be allow this despite the results `needs a stronger more upto date and experienced coaching staff around who will tell him when he is going wrong.

 

[Chairman Steve]

I don’t think it’s realistic that someone who has spent the majority of their career at a considerably low managerial level can make the absolute major step up to the very top level. The only way he can do it is if we have billions to spend on individual talent to the point that anyone can get that team winning, if you hypothetically load the team with Mbappe, Sancho, Grealish, Messi etc.

And I fear that OGS’ plan is basically hope the club cough up the money to carry that out and brute force teams on individual brilliance. If he had no other alternatives to Sancho and Grealish this summer, then that’s worrying. There are cheaper, riskier alternatives out there who could fit the club better than the first choice. I get the feeling at times Pellistri and Diallo are the club scouts‘ doing rather than OGS identifying suitable alternatives to Sancho and Grealish.

OGS might win an FA Cup or League Cup if the draw is favourable to him. I can’t see him winning the league or a European trophy though.

 

[FletchTheHero]

He could be the one to bring us back to the top. But he definitely needs to upgrade his current coaching team of Phelan, Carrick and McKenna. SAF is quite well known for leaving the training to his coaches. And, it showed on the pitch how well drilled the teams were then under his charge.
McKenna supposedly comes with a big reputation as an up and coming coach, receiving lots of praises for how well he coaches the U-18s with a progressive style. Not sure why it isn't showing up in the first team, perhaps we need a Quieroz equivalent in this current coaching set-up. Let Ole focus on the man-management portion which he obviously is doing a great job at.

 

[Green_Red]

Just 4? That is so sad.

For me, it's just Fred. But then players like him just need longer time to adapt to the fast pace and tempo of the league. He is already physical, combative and technically good, that doesn't need improvement by manager. Fred merely need more time to get used to the PL level. Still make mistakes. Just slightly more consistent and stable performances then. Doesn't improve much.

Improving or not? Because of Ole or not?
Shaw - already good defensively and sparingly show good attacks in Mou's 3rd season before Ole arrived. Same level of performances as now. Not seeing any improvements.
Rashford - getting lazy in pressings. Still inconsistent. As for the other aspects of his game, is it on Ole or Rashy himself? I mean, ever since his debut, he is always improving every season.
Martial - just his goals, but that's down to playing more games. Play more = higher chance of scoring more. How come he's getting worse this season? And still inconsistent.


Many people last season like to include Greenwood, McT, Williams, Matic and whoever else saying Ole improved them... what change this season?
Clutching straws

I was asked what players he has significantly improved. I stated in a post above Matic has improved. Given he brought AWB, Maguire and Bruno into the club it wouldn't make sense to mention those. Neither would it make sense to name two players he gave debuts to in Greenwood and Williams.

Shaws attacking game has improved massively under Ole. He was afraid to get forward because of the criticism he got from Jose.

To say Rashford and Martial haven't improved is deluded given they outscored most of the other forwards in Europe last season.

We're scoring more overall and creating more chances. Yes, its not perfect. I am in no way trying to say it is, but I have my eyes open and can see it is better than it was under Jose.

Whether you are Ole in or out is irrelevant, you can't make false claims just because of your bias.

I don't think Ole will be here long term unless by the end of this season we end up in a title challenge, which could happen even if the odds are against it. But to look at where we are now and have been under Ole and say it hasn't improved compared with Jose just shows you are biased in your opinions.

 

[Foxbatt]

I was asked what players he has significantly improved. I stated in a post above Matic has improved. Given he brought AWB, Maguire and Bruno into the club it wouldn't make sense to mention those. Neither would it make sense to name two players he gave debuts to in Greenwood and Williams.

Shaws attacking game has improved massively under Ole. He was afraid to get forward because of the criticism he got from Jose.

To say Rashford and Martial haven't improved is deluded given they outscored most of the other forwards in Europe last season.

We're scoring more overall and creating more chances. Yes, its not perfect. I am in no way trying to say it is, but I have my eyes open and can see it is better than it was under Jose.

Whether you are Ole in or out is irrelevant, you can't make false claims just because of your bias.

I don't think Ole will be here long term unless by the end of this season we end up in a title challenge, which could happen even if the odds are against it. But to look at where we are now and have been under Ole and say it hasn't improved compared with Jose just shows you are biased in your opinions.

We were 2nd under Jose and won two cups which is the EL and the League Cup and according to Jose it is three because he won the Charity Shield too. With Ole we have once reached the 3rd and have not won any trophies so far. This is his second full season in charge. If he does not win these two and gets us to the 2nd at least he has done much worse than Jose and is not a progress.

 

[westmeath]

Ole doesn’t know his best team or his favourite formation.

Every week he picks a different midfield combination and crosses his fingers that it will work out.

He went to Leipzig with a 5 at the back, play for nil nil strategy and only changed it when we went 3-0 down.

Tactically clueless.

But the biggest reason he has to go is the signing of Maguire. I know some here say he wasn’t behind that signing it he is / was the manager. It doesn’t say much for him if the club is buying players that he doesn’t agree with.

 

[Green_Red]

We were 2nd under Jose and won two cups which is the EL and the League Cup and according to Jose it is three because he won the Charity Shield too. With Ole we have once reached the 3rd and have not won any trophies so far. This is his second full season in charge. If he does not win these two and gets us to the 2nd at least he has done much worse than Jose and is not a progress.

Only if you judge purely based on winning trophies.

 

[Dominos]

I'll start with the positives.

- He seems to be the most popular manager with the players post Fergie - the players really did not take to Moyes, LVG and Mourinho and there seem to be serioius dressing room unrest under their tenures. From what I've read and the fact we turned our season around last year suggests Ole is pretty popular with the players and that makes a pleasent change.
- I think his squad building has been decent also, we're in much better shape than we were at various points post Fergie.
- I don't mind his media handling either - Moyes was way too defeatist and unambitious and Mourinho was throwing players under the bus left right and centre. He's not perfect in that he can be defeatist at times but I take it over what Moyes/Mourinho served up.

Having said all that, I'm not convinced the performances this season suggest we've improved massively as a team in his 2 years. We don't press well, we don't pass well, we don't defend well, we're poor on attacking set pieces, we're poor defending set pieces, we seem to have no clue on how to break down a deep defence, very little cohesion and fluidity in our attacking play. I can't believe these performances are the absolute maximum out of these players, even if you think our position is "about right" for this squad, we should be getting a manager in who can overachieve with what he has. Leipzig squad costs the equivalent of a packet of peanuts and they perform well above what they should on paper. So when Ole can get us looking like a cohesive football team and we're still falling short, then you can say he just needs more signings to make the final step. If he can't get the current group looking like an actual competent football team then I'm not convinced he's going to get the best out of a better squad of players either.

If he's to succeed here he needs better coaching staff at the very least.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Do not think he has the ability to do much more than he is right now. Give him Messi and Ronaldo and we would still suffer due to being poorly coached.
His mentality is to just get top 4 rather than win things.
We might luck our way to win a cup. That is the best he can do I think.

 

[Matthew84!]

Of course he doesn't, just like our entire coaching staff. We will be good enough to hang around TOP 4 even with Ole in charge purely because we have a very good squad but the team has to carry the manager which will never allow us to back to the top.

What a load of rubbish, like Ole is some how controlling everything the players do for every minute of the game, they think for themselves,

 

[Ferguson’s Hairdryer]

No.... but he’s laying the foundations for the man who can... so long as the board don’t feck it up and replace him with someone like Jose Mourinho. They need to replace him with someone who has the same vision, man management, and ideas but better coaching and in match decision making.

 

[Matthew84!]

Will we conquer Europe with him. I don’t think so. Could we win a trophy with him. Yes.
Ole‘s doing ok. Changing Manager now would set us back and ruin the season completely in my view.
A new Manager can‘t come in and implement a new style with the fixture list we have.
See where we are towards the end of the season and make a decision then.

Finally someone speaking abit of sense, get behind the manager and let's see where we are at the end of the season,

 

[Foxbatt]

Only if you judge purely based on winning trophies.

I do not want us to be Arsenal. Just only playing eye pleasing football sometimes and not winning anything. Being satisfied getting CL spot every year and not winning anything.

 

[croadyman]

Personally I don't think he is the right guy long term,however he has improved some things will give him that.

Really frustrates me that he doesn't have any plans to upgrade his inexperienced coaching staff though.

 

[TwoSheds]

I don't see many better managers around. Which is weird because he's not very good. Hope we're keeping an eye out for the next big thing in Portugal, Spain or Italy.

 

[HowYouDoin]

Finally someone speaking abit of sense, get behind the manager and let's see where we are at the end of the season,

How is that sense? Thats just conformism almost.

Here's a bit of sense.

Winning the Premier League which youre talking about here is a big deal. Any manager capable of doing it can practically pick where he wants to work and wont be out of work and will have best teams in the world such as Madrid and Barca being interested in his services if the opportunity comes. Winning the Premier League is cream of the crop.

Now does that sound like Ole? Not only does it not sound like him, he is the furthest thing from being in demand, the furthest thing for being held in any kind of esteem. Heck teams like Fulham wouldnt want him. No team in the PL would want him most likely.

So to expect him to be the dude to restore United and make us win titles is just absurd to me. Youre expecting Barca and Madrid level feat from a manager that Fulham wouldnt even consider.

Top 4 is our ceiling and we will battle it out with Leicester and Everton and if we are lucky one of Chelsea/Tottenham/City struggle.

 

[Polar]

We will be good enough to hang around TOP 4 even with Ole in charge purely because we have a very good squad but the team has to carry the manager which will never allow us to back to the top.

Bloody hell... Everyone agree we miss approx. 5 players in the line up, and you tell me we have a very good squad? We have the potential because we have a couple of world class players. They have saved us several times this season.

 

[United Hobbit]

I think he has laid some solid foundations but isn't the one to take us to the next stage.

I think if he left now his time would be looked at fondly

I don't think he helps himself with his coaching staff, he could use a really good tactical assistant as that is where he struggles

If the league was how it has been recently eg Liverpool and City racing away, top 4 would be acceptable. Obviously I want us winning it but we had no chance last season

However this year everyone has been hit and miss, but we have several missed opportunities eg the Arsenal game and also City, a game where if Ole had been a little braver we could have won. He's suddenly got quite cautious in the big 6 games, yet last season they were the ones he did very well in.

The Champions League also could present as a missed opportunity. When I saw the group, I didn't think we would get out of it, it was a group of death. However we did very well in the first 2 games- though I felt the teams played into Ole's main tactics of counter attacking as they were wide open. It was the game in Turkey that cost us, yet if Ole had perhaps reacted to the issue we were repeatedly having- Ba being left isolated in gaping space- we perhaps wouldn't have lost that. Same for Fred where multiple people could see he was a ticking time bomb on the yellow card- but Ole didn't substitute him.

We are seeing players regressing. While AWB was a lot better Saturday he's had a poor season, same for Martial and dare I say Greenwood. Who while young so is perhaps adjusting to his new build, I would still expect more from. 2 of these are also strikers, Oles position so he should be able to share some of his skills with them- we saw signs of Martial last season. Greenwood has had off the field issue However it is Oles job as manager to work out the best ways of dealing with him. One of his better qualities is a decent man manager I think so I'd expect him to be able to sort him out, however is he? I know even SAF couldn't handle the really bad ones eg Morrison but I doubt Greenwood is that bad. SAF was also an excellent man manager, something Ronaldo especially often refers to, he knew when to put an arm round the shoulders but also when to put a rocket up someone.

Depending on draws, Ole could perhaps win a league Cup or even the FA cup- but then being cynical did he have the perfect chance to do this last year as we reached semi finals?

His in game management, while at times he's got better at making subs, he's still not great. I'd also question some of his management of players still- when he bought Cavani, I said his games would need to be very carefully managed, almost planned in advance, and I can understand why he wanted to use him as he was doing well, but now he is injured, so we don't have him as an option. It may not be due to this but he's still injured.

He just seems a bit too nice and timid at times on the touchline. All the top top managers eg SAF, Pep, Klopp and Jose when he was dominant with Chelsea had that bit of being an arse about them. I just don't see that with Ole.

In summary I think Ole has done a fair job so far, but is starting to look out of his depth and think he's gone as far as he can. Time to say thank you for what he's done and move to someone who can take us to the next step. I'm not entirely sure who that would be maybe someone like Naglesmann

However I also want the whole structure above the manager reviewed at the same time, a DOF appointed and Ed moved to the corporate only side.

 

[Siorac]

No.

Our Premier League record under him is 1.80 points per game. That's 68 points over a full season. We got 66 in the last two seasons and we're at 20 from 11 this season which is 1.8181 per game, so 69 points over a season.

This is our level under him. Nothing suggests it's going to significantly improve: two years and €310m spent and we're collecting points at the same pace as always.

There's like a 5% chance that it will all suddenly click at one point. Right now absolutely nothing suggests it will but such things happened before. And he did some good things: freezing out Lingard, getting Bruno, some nice performances in big games. Overall though he's doing a mediocre job. It's not disastrous and we won't have to do a complete rebuild once he's gone but it's still mediocre.

 

[Massive Spanner]

No.

Our Premier League record under him is 1.80 points per game. That's 68 points over a full season. We got 66 in the last two seasons and we're at 20 from 11 this season which is 1.8181 per game, so 69 points over a season.

This is our level under him. Nothing suggests it's going to significantly improve: two years and €310m spent and we're collecting points at the same pace as always.

There's like a 5% chance that it will all suddenly click at one point. Right now absolutely nothing suggests it will but such things happened before. And he did some good things: freezing out Lingard, getting Bruno, some nice performances in big games. Overall though he's doing a mediocre job. It's not disastrous and we won't have to do a complete rebuild once he's gone but it's still mediocre.

Pretty much.

His biggest strength has been getting rid of dross and for the most part, not replacing them with dross. Sure, Bruno aside his signings have been nothing special but Dan James is the only one of them who doesn't at least look like they have some sort of future here which is a lot more than you can say of LvG's and Jose's. That and an ability to get the team playing like they actually give a shit has automatically meant he'll leave our next manager at a better squad than Jose left him.

But he's clearly not good enough to take us to the top. He's arguably underperforming with this squad he built which says it all about his actual ability as a coach on the sidelines.

Also it looks like his luck has completely run out when it comes to the big games and he's been figured out there.

 

[Gasolin]

I’m not sure he can take us further. He’s done a great job of steadying the ship and getting a team back to being competitive - but just not sure his style of play will really ever be good enough to dominate teams and grind them down.

we need a coach that wants to keep the ball and practises patterns of play that concentrate on breaking teams down.

hes got the team working well in counter attacking ways but that clearly only works in away matches. When the onus is on us to take the lead we just look clueless with no space.

I have already shown stats that shows that this myth needs to be fixed.

We scored 19 goals this season. 4 counter attacks and 3 penalties, which means that we scored 12/19 = 63% that are neither counter attacks or penalties.

For last season, which was a tail of 2 halves, we scored 66 goals with 6 counter attacks and 10 penalties, meaning 50 / 60 = 83% that are neither counter attacks or penalties.
I think we can stop saying we are a team that counter attacks or that it's the only way we score. The goals are coming from different setup.

 

[Gasolin]

No.

Our Premier League record under him is 1.80 points per game. That's 68 points over a full season. We got 66 in the last two seasons and we're at 20 from 11 this season which is 1.8181 per game, so 69 points over a season.

This is our level under him. Nothing suggests it's going to significantly improve: two years and €310m spent and we're collecting points at the same pace as always.

There's like a 5% chance that it will all suddenly click at one point. Right now absolutely nothing suggests it will but such things happened before. And he did some good things: freezing out Lingard, getting Bruno, some nice performances in big games. Overall though he's doing a mediocre job. It's not disastrous and we won't have to do a complete rebuild once he's gone but it's still mediocre.

The PPG is 1.81 right now, but it was 0 at game 1, 1.5 at game 2, 1 at game 3... the point is, it will keep growing. At MD 19, we should check and see what our PPG is, but there is a higher chance for us to be much higher than 1.8, than lower. So far, nothing suggests that we would not be higher this season. And we still need to check what that means for us vs the top of the league. Right now, we are not far, and our second half of the season has been good with him.

 

[OrcaFat]

He could be the one to bring us back to the top. But he definitely needs to upgrade his current coaching team of Phelan, Carrick and McKenna. SAF is quite well known for leaving the training to his coaches. And, it showed on the pitch how well drilled the teams were then under his charge.
McKenna supposedly comes with a big reputation as an up and coming coach, receiving lots of praises for how well he coaches the U-18s with a progressive style. Not sure why it isn't showing up in the first team, perhaps we need a Quieroz equivalent in this current coaching set-up. Let Ole focus on the man-management portion which he obviously is doing a great job at.

Yeah, can’t disagree with any of that.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

My answer is no. He's shown nothing in his 10 years of management to convince me he can and has shown nothing in his time here to convince me that other potential candidates can't do better

 

[OleBoiii]

I don't think we'll ever get back to the way things were under Fergie. The league is too competitive and Fergies don't exactly grow on trees.

I do think we can expect periods of consistent titles challenges and major trophies like Liverpool and City have been doing in the last 3 years. And yes, I think Ole is the right man. Is he the only right man? No. But I see no point in sacking him when he's doing a decent job with what he has at his disposal. I feel that he's a Pep type of coach in the sense that his abilities become clearer and clearer the better his team is. For a team of our status, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, that may be just what we need.

You need to ask yourself what the job of a Manchester United manager should be in 2020. Is it to overperform with a weaker team than your rivals or is to have an equally good team and keep things stable while consistently challenging for major trophies? It should be the latter, imo.

 

[OleTheGreat]

I think Ole has done everything he can until now for the benefit of the club. The players on the other hand have not. I do agree that Ole is lagging in the coaching department, it also comes down to the players he has. Ole needs better players in the squad because right now we lack players for the positions in his formation and setup. We lack natural wingers, defensive midfielders (Matic is old and Mctominay is restricted in his abilities) and also a proper striker (Rashford is but has to play on the left, Martial is but isn't the PL striker kind, Cavani is but is too old, Ighalo leaves soon). We need to back Ole and only then will we be able to judge him. I think he's doing pretty well with what he's got (except for that game against Istanbul).

 

[Gabagoo]

You need to ask yourself what the job of a Manchester United manager should be in 2020. Is it to overperform with a weaker team than your rivals or is to have an equally good team and keep things stable while consistently challenging for major trophies? It should be the latter, imo.

A combination of the two: build a team of individuals as good as any of your rivals, but then manage to get relatively more out of your team than the other managers can get out of theirs.

If United want to call themselves the biggest club in the world, they need to equip themselves with a manager that can achieve those lofty aspirations. Being the best manager in the league is what a United manager must aspire to, even with Pep and Klopp involved. Or maybe we should just try to get Klopp.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

I don't think we'll ever get back to the way things were under Fergie. The league is too competitive and Fergies don't exactly grow on trees.

I do think we can expect periods of consistent titles challenges and major trophies like Liverpool and City have been doing in the last 3 years. And yes, I think Ole is the right man. Is he the only right man? No. But I see no point in sacking him when he's doing a decent job with what he has at his disposal. I feel that he's a Pep type of coach in the sense that his abilities become clearer and clearer the better his team is. For a team of our status, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, that may be just what we need.

You need to ask yourself what the job of a Manchester United manager should be in 2020. Is it to overperform with a weaker team than your rivals or is to have an equally good team and keep things stable while consistently challenging for major trophies? It should be the latter, imo.

It should have been less of a problem if we were properly run. Spent almost a billion since Fergie left and still chasing top 4. Also tend to miss out on top targets as we've already missed out on Grealish Haaland Sancho etc under Ole. Also compare how we reacted in the transfer window getting third and how Chelsea reacted getting fourth. I think it's wishful thinking to say Ole will ever be provided a squad that's as good as or better than the rest

City Liverpool Chelsea are our competitors. Not only do they have a better side than us already but they have more ambition, much more willingness to spend or smarter spending like Liverpool. They have stronger teams than us and will only seek to keep improving. So I have no expectations that we will end up with an equally good team or a better team than the other 19 with the way we the club is run. And this is why I would say we Ole is not the right man to take us to the top. He's not winning us the league unless the teams better than us start to decline or he is provided a superior squad to the rest of the pl and that's difficult with this board

 

[Roane]

Traditionally the Christmas period can make or break a team. You often get clubs flying before Christmas to then falter during the busy period and into the new year.

I'm not an Ole hater and think he has done what he was bought into do for us. However I don't think ultimately he is the man to get us to the promised land.

I think the Christmas period into the new year will decide Oles immediate fate