The “Ole In” Brigade
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I only played the first version of FIFA. Never liked the thing. Cyberpunk is decent though and I loved Witcher III
Can we return to football now?
It just seems to be making you miserable(Thats how it comes across to me anyway).
United are doing quite well atm.
So what do you want to do about it? And who would you have signed instead?
Pardon me but I dont see the point of bringing this up, though you do seem rather frustrated and dispondent about United at the moment. Seems a little early in the season for that and considering the number of goals we are banging in.
I posted a post, someone picked the negative parts and I had to further explain/discuss that. That's how posts work in a forum. There's a more balanced post up through the ranks.
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The short answer to that is that I wouldn't spent 80m on an average CB who lack the characteristics to play for a top club. Maguire can be half decent in a team that defend in numbers and would drop deep. In such system his lack of pace and lack of football intelligence won't be felt that much. That isn't Manchester United unfortunately. Teams tend to defend deep and in numbers against us which leads us to commit as many players forwards as possible. Under such circumstances we need intelligent and pacey CBs who can backtrack quickly and whose got a good idea what is going on around them. To make matters worse we've got a Goalkeeper who doesn't leave his line, a CB (Lindelof) who lack pace and Matic whose as mobile as the Lord Nelson's statue in Trafalgar square. That's hardly a defence that needed another slow CB.
If you ask me, I would have distributed the money to strengthen the defence united as a whole. I would have bought Demiral (whose less experienced but he's faster then Maguire) and Partey in midfield.
It's nice you're picked yet another response post and you chopped most of it up. Let's stick on posts on PC games instead. It's better. Did you like cyberpunk?
Who's to say that these guy's would have worked out for UTD? Hindsight is wonderful, but harping on a signing which you don't agree with doesn't change anything.
I see your passion for UTD, it's understandable that you are frustrated...we all are with certain things surrounding the club.
Take it easy man, enjoy the festival of football which we have over the x-mas period. I am sure we will have some favorable results.
I wish he has at least 10% of your so called "football intelligence".
Wonder why all of us here sitting on a couch commenting on football, rather than becoming a professional footballer.
I would never call myself smarter than Maguire on the football pitch.
Exactly this. The people that criticise us for spending £80m can never come up with a viable suggestion on who we should have bought instead. As you rightly point out we spent £13 Jones, Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof, Blind and Smalling and not one of them has been anywhere near the level of Maguire.
Give me one so-called overpriced player who comes in and improves the XI over three “bargains” who don’t any day
The bottom line is Maguire would get in ANY team in the PL. That’s why he costs what he costs
Ok so you dont rate our defensive solidity, would have signed a difference DM and CB in place of Maguire, and think Ole needs a top defensive coach. Quite a few feel the same about the defensive situation, that we are too easy to crack open.
But mine, and several others, point is.... why are you obsessing over this? We are top 3 in the table and areas such as DM CB and RB are being reviewed, and Ole may take decisions on his coaching staff. The season is underway and there is not much to do now except watch the team develop and hopefully do well. Doubt we will pick up much in Jan and in the Summer the post mortem takes place and further recruitment.
You really should give fifa a go tbh.
Highly debatable, while he's great in the air he's also slow as feck and high line teams can't give themselves that luxury.
I agree he's between the best defenders in the league but definitely not between the best defenders in the world, which is the fee we paid for him.
Anyway while I don't think we should make anymore transfers like him that doesn't mean he's garbage, we overpaid for a very useful player. It seems here you either have to agree that he's the best transfer along Bruno or we got completely scamed, but like most of the time the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Did we pay too much for Maguire ? Yes. But did we really have a choice ? We needed a leader at the back, someone who was good with the ball at his feet, and that was one position where we couldnt afford to gamble on a young, inexperienced player who potentially could be a better player than Maguire in a few years. There simply weren't a lot of good centrebacks out there. Still today, 1.5 years later I struggle to think of one available centreback who would strengthen our defence without a doubt. I see a lot of potentially really good defenders out there, but there are few in their prime.
For this reason alone it was the right signing. Whether we will have a better player for the 2022 season is another matter entirely.
Would there be anything sweeter that could happen to a united fan than Ole leading us to a league title? I for one can’t think of anything.
He would win the league, and there would still be people in here calling for him to be sacked....
Partey, from what we know, wasn't for sale that summer. Why would you think Demiral would come to us and what makes you believe you can spend £80m on both him and Partey?
It seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions based on nothing real.
He’s got as much leadership as he got pace
Demiral moved to Juve for peanuts that year. Partey had a minimum fee clause
As I said on another thread.
Just relax and enjoy the ride.
Just relax and enjoy the ride.
Maguire is very solid and very consistent, he probably makes a few too many poor mistakes to be classed as world class.
Hes not worth 80million and never was but we desperately needed a solid dependable CB who was comfortable playing out from the back, there wasnt a huge amount of choice Leicester new that and didnt need to sell for financial reasons so we got screwed, but does anyone actually care? I mean is it your money? Does it really affect you how much the club spunk on players?
The other thing I never understand with the maguire hating is just how many we concede where you can actually look and go 'maguire was at fault there' its not many at all.
Hes not worth 80million and never was but we desperately needed a solid dependable CB who was comfortable playing out from the back, there wasnt a huge amount of choice Leicester new that and didnt need to sell for financial reasons so we got screwed, but does anyone actually care? I mean is it your money? Does it really affect you how much the club spunk on players?
The other thing I never understand with the maguire hating is just how many we concede where you can actually look and go 'maguire was at fault there' its not many at all.
Agreed, people hate being wrong.
Think you underestimate Maquire. He’s first choice on the national team, even captain sometimes. He is a high performer, but not among top 5 CB’s in the world like VVD.
After all he is an very important player for United and would have been so for most teams, so I have to say the price we paid wasn’t to bad (at that time). It wasn’t good either.
We have to remember Napoli wanted 90m£ for Kalidou Koulibaly.
Well put my friend. Criticism of Maguire is laughable while lindelof is still a starting CB, our friend keeps going on about pace, mate, no 1 rule of an effective CB is the ability to head a ball. Bye bye Victor
Ah. You see, the point is that we should’ve signed a CB with bags of pace, great in the air, physically dominant, good with the ball, doesn’t make rash decisions, second to none positional sense, and a leader, for cheap! They’re ten a penny.
So you think rather then sign an experienced solid CB who was a full international and had PL experience, we should of signed an inexperienced CB who had made what 20 first team appearances in serie A for sassulou? Behave.
I agree on Partey's clause but that doesn't mean he'd like to move (he might do). As for Demiral, yeah, £16m is nothing in comparison but he is also 22 and definitely not someone who you'd expect to lead the defence. I can't imagine how any manager would buy a then-21 year old defender and expect them to be the cornerstone of our defence.
Also, Maguire's impact on us was immediate and profound. Our defensive record improved massively with him and AWB in the side. We also finally started building from the back in a meaningful manner. I, personally, have absolutely no problem with his transfer. The fee was high but that was the price we had to pay to get proven quality CB. People on here whined that we took months to complete the transfer and ended up paying the same amount. Well, that's the point, isn't it? We tried to get it down but Leicester wouldn't budge.
It would have been a genius signing. Juve pulled the trigger. Everyone else in world football missed out apparently. For every one of these successful signings (so far) there are far more busts.
Really what Devilish should be doing is suggesting we poach some of Juve's scouting team. Failing that send in his CV to Ed.
@devilish a hypothetical question, if we won the league this year, would it change your opinion at all on the Maguire signing?
All this thread achieves is to highlight the ferocity and stubbornness of the imbecilic morons that want Ole out. You have several posts from sane posters trying to reason with them and then the Gammons wade in with their rabid diatribe and then rinse and repeat with nothing actually being achieved. Why don’t you go and support Liverpool or better still vacate football if you can’t enjoy it? Would make life better for the rest of us.
Cumstains.
Cumstains.
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Funny that, isn't it. We finished 6th in 2019, Maguire came in and and was defensively the difference between us finishing 6th the season before, and 3rd in 2020, where we actually finished. This in turn clinched CL football which can be worth approx £60m-£80m to the club. If he stayed with Leicester, they'd have been defensively better than they were, and we'd have been defensively inferior than we were and as such, we'd have finished 5th at best, more than likely 6th again. This would have cost us the £60m-£80m (in reality we probably made just £30m by qualifying for the CL due to being knocked out at the group stages). So don't you see sometimes you've got to speculate to accumulate in football. Paying £80m instead of the £40m-£50m he's probably worth in reality, secured us CL football and going forward we're showing that consistency and are currently in 3rd place with a game in hand. This is progress and consistency we've never seen post-Fergie. You could argue the fee paid for itself in one season due to receiving £30m+ for qualifying and playing in the CL group stages.
On top of that, we had the best clean sheet record in world football last season, we made significant progress in every competition we played in, 3 semi finals. Its not the finished article in terms of where we are as a football club, but Maguire is an essential jigsaw piece. Having someone there for 55-60 games, never being injured, providing stability, scoring goals, playing his part in clean sheets and the teams defensive output is absolutely crucial. It's laughable people call him error prone. Everyone makes errors. VVD makes errors, Joe Gomez makes errors, Laporte makes errors, Upamecano makes errors. Do you home in on Maguire because of his fee? Because he's ours? Because he got into a fight on holiday? Because people call him slabhead? I'm curious, whats the agenda? Critics disappear when he marshalls us to a brilliant defensive performance thats required to get us over the line when we surrender possession for the last 15 mins of games.
Secondly, Ole isn't the only Manchester United manager that wanted Maguire. Jose Mourinho also wanted him, and was publicly critical of the board for not delivering Maguire! Mourinho would have Maguire now, so if we hadn't have gone for Maguire, not only would we have finished 5th at best last season, we'd now no doubt be behind Spurs in the league, instead of ahead of them. City also wanted him, but we got him. Yet some of our own moan about £80m like its their own friggin cash. We commercial out-perform every club in the league, and beyond so what difference does it make if we pay £60m or £80m? Next time out we have more money available, to buy players.
Thirdly, it was Woodward & Judge who decide the fees, not Ole. Ole gives his list of priorities, just like Jose used to, just like every manager in the PL does. To think Ole is sat with Leicester officials with a blank cheque saying he'll pay whatever they want is absurd.
And I am sure I remember us crashing out of the CL and EL by coming 4th in 2005. Anyway, we have a chance, and for that, we have to take each game one by one.
Doesn't matter mate, his point is, instead of 80 million for Maguire, we should've signed a foreign/hipster CB instead.
Maybe for 80 million, we could've signed Diaz, Upomecano, etc. But what we've signed, is the first choice English CB, isn't that what we always do? Fergie had Ferdinand, at one time we had Jones and Smalling as English top CBs.
Maguire has shown he can steadily grow himself from Sheffield to bigger clubs, why can't we give him that platform? Nothing wrong with that.
Agree and good points. I'd understand his argument if we had just finished 6th and we hadn't just demonstrated the best clean sheet record in world football.
If Maguire is such a good signing, and everything is fine. Why is our defense still...pretty bad? All in all, I say it's on Ole. For two reasons: He bought Maguire (and AWB) two pretty underwhelming and overpriced signings IMO. Not saying that either is a bad player, and Maguire is a sensible signing if he isn't too costly (which he was). But my biggest problem is that Maguire isn't a leader, and Lindelof isn't either. AWB couldn't lead his dog and Shaw doesn't have the ambition to lead himself. BUT the structure, the balance, the team play at the back. It's a mess. AWB constantly letting in goals at the back post, Maguire and Lindelof have the worst partnership by all center backs in the league despite playing together for two years in pretty much every game. How is that happening? And let's not talk about corners...
That's a ludicrous under selling of Maguire. Who is clearly one of the best in the league.
Spot on, who else could we have signed that would slot in exactly as he did and has ample experience in the PL.
People talk about whether the price tag is crazy, for me the simple answer is that we really didn't have an option, we had to buy a CB. Maguire was the best option that was available, by a distance.
We're a better team with him in defence. Maguire, Bruno and Rashford are the three integral players in the squad in my opinion. We may have overpaid, but in the grand scheme of things he has contributed to improving us as a team.
Christ, I think some people have been reading books about ‘putting a negative spin on everything for dummies’. Terrible reasoning.